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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

I Ratant said:
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If this world is monitored and controlled by "highly evolved beings".. they need to "evolve" a WHOLE LOT MORE!
Maybe go for a higher degree of "enlightenment"... they're sure incompetent at what they're doing now!:mad:
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We are here to grow through our own choices, and the spirits try to inspire us toward the good but they cannot choose for us. So the world is the result of our actions, and it will not improve until we do.
 
dlorde said:
So, on the one hand we have the most accurate, best tested theory of all time (that underlies the very technology you used to post your message) - and on the other, your unsupported perception that it is bunk... :sdl:


Yup; and he explained exactly why you can't use that as special pleading :rolleyes:
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Yabbut, to get that, one had to actually watch, and listen to, the video.
 
dlorde said:
Yes they are - completely incompatible. See what Sean Carroll says that quantum field theory (now including the Higgs boson) tells us: The Fundamental Nature of Reality (I cut to the chase on that video; if you want the full explanation, watch it all).


Nope, we now know for certain that isn't the case.
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dlorde:

Do you know if that transcript is anywhere available?
 
Scorpion, thank you for patiently answering all our questions.

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I have been trying to follow your description, but I am a bit confused. If I may ask several questions, it may clear up my understanding.

1) after we physically die our spiritual energy goes to a higher (?) realm or plane, is there a name for this location or level?

2) when in this plane, we can remember our most recent Earth-life (as evidenced from our ability to contact still living people with details of our lives). Can we remember all our previous lives?

3) when in this plane, can we communicate with others in this plane? Do the more enlightened souls try to teach things to the less enlightened souls? Do souls get to watch what is happening on Earth? Do these observations provide learning experiences for the souls or is learning completely limited to souls that are living on Earth.

4) why would hearing a voice before winning a lottery be considered an astronomically rare event? Most of the lottery players (and other gamblers) I have encountered often describe having a strong feeling, or emotional revelation , or sudden insight indicating that success is imminent.

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You seem very happy with your belief system. I have no desire to talk you out of it.
 
Slowvehicle said:
Do you know if that transcript is anywhere available?
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No, I don't - I've seen the same subsection (on QFT and its physical constraints on reality) in other lectures of his I've seen online, but I haven't seen a transcript. It's probably in one of his books...

You could always email him.
 
Years ago I had recommended to me a book by Gary Zukav, "The Dancing Wu Li Masters".

It was a long time ago, but at the time I thought it an interesting read. In retrospect, Zukav was probably reaching for his parallels between new physics and mysticism, but I still enjoyed it.

So, when I heard about another of his works, "The Seat Of The Soul", I procured a copy. I made it maybe 20% through.

It was nothing like the first book. It reminded me of how Scorpion makes his case - what I think of as "argument by assertion". Souls are here. Souls are there. Souls do this. Souls do that. All without a whit of evidence.

A major disappointment for me. Hard to imagine it was written by the same guy.
 
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From the founders of Spiritualism, the Fox_sistersWP.


Margaret and Katie made very strong statements against Spiritualism:

"That I have been chiefly instrumental in perpetrating the fraud of Spiritualism upon a too-confiding public, most of you doubtless know. The greatest sorrow in my life has been that this is true, and though it has come late in my day, I am now prepared to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God! . . I am here tonight as one of the founders of Spiritualism to denounce it as an absolute falsehood from beginning to end, as the flimsiest of superstitions, the most wicked blasphemy known to the world." – Margaretta Fox Kane, quoted in A.B. Davenport, The Death*blow to Spiritualism, p. 76. (Also see New York World, for October 21, 1888 and New York Herald and New York Daily Tribune, for October 22, 1888.)

"I regard Spiritualism as one of the greatest curses that the world has ever known." – Katie Fox Jencken, New York Herald, October 9, 1888.
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They later recanted but their demonstration of toe clicking was public and preceded it.
 
Scorpion said:
It is just something I noticed over the years. I once went into a franciscan monestary in Italy and the power was overwhelming. The strongest I had ever felt. I also felt upliftment from some spiritualist healers, and I would feel it for days after the healing, but it gradually wore off.
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Well then, that should be easy to test, and it would give you some solid evidence to show us. You would need to block out sound, vision, and scent, and have someone lead you into various religious buildings of differing ages. After spending a fixed amount of time in the space, you would then exit to a neutral location, and record your feelings.

You could also test to see if there is a difference between the power in religious buildings and non-religious ones. If you were consistently correct, then there would be something there to explore.

Would you be willing to do this?
 
Scorpion said:
Using the occult to gain worldy weath is cheating the system big time. It is taking away money from the people that would have won it by abusing psychic powers. The spirit world does not normally do this, so they must have decided that buying me a computer was justifiable, so they influenced me when I picked the numbers. I felt energy flow through me when I was picking the numbers, and I picked the ones where the energy was strongest. A voice told me I had won the lottery one hour before the draw. Naturally I have wished they would give me a big win ever since but they never have.
I do not need any money now so the only reason they might give me a big win would be to give the money to charities, but they obviously don't want to do that, or where would it end. I could win the lottery every week.
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Maybe all those who win are using psychic powers.
 
PixyMisa said:
That's a quite spectacular amount of special pleading to explain why something that could not possibly happen, does not, in fact, happen.

It's like a gallon jug of Ockham's Special Hair Tonic.
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Guaranteed to grow hair on bald men with black hair.
 
Scorpion said:
I had feelings like fire flowing through my brow and through my heart, and most of the other seven major chakras. I saw a chart of the chakras in a book called alternative London and recognized them as the places where I had felt the fire flowing. So I started going to spiritualist churches for help.
After a long search I was told it was because my chakras were out of alignment due to my etheric body being loose, and you are right it was not a pleasant sensation. I also felt like there were cobwebs floating over my skin.



The etheric body is an energy shell that links the higher bodies like the astral and mental body to the physical. and consciousness is channeled down through the chakras into the brain. If you suffer a lot of stress, as I did your etheric body can become loose and not align properly with the physical body.


Spiritual healing is free, but you can leave some money on the collection plate to keep the church running. I had a lot of healing and I could often feel it as a power or force flowing into me.


It is perceivably different, and I could feel cold on a summers day and warm if I went into an old church. My nervous system was like a psychic barometer.
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Odd they'd need money when they have a hot line to winning lottery numbers.
 
The Shrike said:
If the spirit that spoke to you through your chakras or whatever is someone's soul, how exactly does the spirit know what's going to happen in the future? Unless spirits are omniscient in past present and future, how does the spirit of someone from the past pick lottery numbers? What, exactly, does God get to do if Joe Schmoe's spirit from whenever has this kind of power?

Also, why would it be worth it for the spirit world to help you buy a computer (good lord that's laughably silly) but not to help equally wholesome people recover from terminal illness, pay for college, find a lost child, etc?
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Without the computer he couldn't spread the word about the spiritual world that doesn't want mankind to know about it.:eye-poppi

Apparently the spiritual world works in mysterious ways.
 
Scorpion said:
There are said to be a number of planes separated by an energy barrier leading all the way up to God who remains untouched by it all. As far as I know God is a huge formless mind that provides all energy and does not interfere in our affairs directly, that is left to the angels and to highly evolved beings who have already reached enlightenment.

We go to the plane our evolution is most suited for and the darker realms are where the most unevolved go to, they can be called evil or ignorant. But it is up to them to wish to change before they can escape the lower realms.

The spirit world say there is a God and they are in a better position to know than we are. They could be lying but why would they.

The bottom line is that we are all God within God, and we are part of him, but we are on the long journey of self development and free will. We will ultimately rejoin God as enlightened beings at the end of our cycle of incarnations. It has been said that the point of it all is the journey itself.

After all, what would we be if we all sat around in heaven as untried and untested beings?
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We'd be in heaven.
 
Scorpion said:
After all, what would we be if we all sat around in heaven as untried and untested beings?
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Would "testing" include the continued presence of child rape and murder? To steal a line: "If I saw a child about to be murdered or raped I'd stop it, That's the difference between me and your god."
 
Nay_Sayer said:
"If I saw a child about to be murdered or raped I'd stop it, That's the difference between me and your god."
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Reminds me of a Lyle Lovett song, "God Will", though admittedly expressing a very different sentiment:

Who keeps on trusting you
When you've been cheating
And spending your nights on the town
And who keeps on saying that he still wants you

When you're through running around
And who keeps on loving you
When you've been lying
Saying things ain't what they seem

God does
But I don't
God will
But I won't
And that's the difference
Between God and me

So who says he'll forgive you
And says that he'll miss you
And dream of your sweet memory

God does
But I don't
God will
But I won't
And that's the difference
Between God and me
 
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Ladewig said:
1) after we physically die our spiritual energy goes to a higher (?) realm or plane, is there a name for this location or level?
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There are supposedly separate realms, each of which has many levels.
There is the Astral plane, (linked to emotion)and the Mental plane.
We have a separate body for each plane.

Ladewig said:
2) when in this plane, we can remember our most recent Earth-life (as evidenced from our ability to contact still living people with details of our lives). Can we remember all our previous lives?
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recently departed people cannot remember more than their last incarnation, only enlightened souls that have completed their cycle of incarnations can remember all their past lives. They can remember them in perfect detail and the memories are all stored in the soul (causual)body. The soul body is formless and infinitely expandable. So there is no limit to the memories it can contain.

Ladewig said:
3) when in this plane, can we communicate with others in this plane? Do the more enlightened souls try to teach things to the less enlightened souls? Do souls get to watch what is happening on Earth? Do these observations provide learning experiences for the souls or is learning completely limited to souls that are living on Earth.
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Souls can certaily observe what is going on on the earth, and understand things better than we can. I am sure spirits can learn, but only in the struggle of life on earth can we really evolve.

Ladewig said:
4) why would hearing a voice before winning a lottery be considered an astronomically rare event? Most of the lottery players (and other gamblers) I have encountered often describe having a strong feeling, or emotional revelation , or sudden insight indicating that success is imminent.
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I just know it is what happened to me.
 
Hokulele said:
Well then, that should be easy to test, and it would give you some solid evidence to show us. You would need to block out sound, vision, and scent, and have someone lead you into various religious buildings of differing ages. After spending a fixed amount of time in the space, you would then exit to a neutral location, and record your feelings.

You could also test to see if there is a difference between the power in religious buildings and non-religious ones. If you were consistently correct, then there would be something there to explore.

Would you be willing to do this?
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I don't have those feelings much any more, I don't know why. I used to feel precences a lot, but age seems to have reduced my sensitivity. In any case it did not always happen. So I would be useless as a test subject.
 
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