Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

[Scorpion]

Coo! what does psychic energy feel like?

How does one know that something one feels is psychic energy?

It can be very uplifting or it can be quite disturbing. I first felt it as a disconcerting feeling like fire flowing through my chakras, I went to spiritualist churches for healing and they told me my etheric body was loose. After years the healing fixed the problem. But I could still feel atmospheres, and if I went into old churches I felt a kind of psychic warmth around me.
But it did not happen in new church buildings. That is because the centuries of prayer have impregnated the walls of old churches with positive power. Eventually I did not need healing because all I had to do to get upliftment was to go to the spiritualist associations chapel and sit there for a few minutes, and I could feel the energy lift my spirit.

 

[LSSBB]

Its only subjective proof, and not scientific proof. The spirit world do not participate in scientific experiments that would change the entire world. But they are allowed to comfort their relatives on earth and to give them uplifting messages. Mediums that attempt to harness psychic powers to gain worldly recognition are normally dissapointed that the spirit world does not help them.

Never the less there are a lot of psychic people who know the truth for a certainty. I actually sat in a developing circle myself for a time, but I decided being psychic was not for me.

How do the spirits know something is scientific? Do they predict someone will go back and look at a particular event and try to test if, alongside other data, the event had any special cause beyond random noise? Sounds like an iron tight wall for a believer against having to change their mind, more than a sensible conjecture, to me.

 

[Scorpion]

The system behind the Spirit world must be arcane and complex. All those rules of what a spirit can and can't do. All the balancing and tallying of Karma, it must take vast etheric computing devices.

Imagine the sheer chaos at the Ports of Life and Death! The passports, the expiry papers. Who fixes the problems, like when two spirits return into a single body? Who catches the spiritual terrorists who go about telling secrets to silly humans, thus fritzing their karma forever?

Open minds want to know!

Believe it or not the spirit world say that there are another species of beings we call angels that never incarnate and some of them are angels of karma.
They have the final say in our evolution, and decide what experiences we need for our soul to progress. They are not concerned if that experience is harsh as they know it will all be for the ultimate good.
There is also a great brotherhood of enlightened souls guiding the evolution of the human family, I do not know if they use computers.

I heard a lecture by Ursula Roberts in which she said cases of possession by spirits were usually the result of two spirits being incarnated in the same body.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Sorry, we couldn't get one, we'll have to make do with a semi-auto-da-fe.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Believe it or not the spirit world say that there are another species of beings we call angels that never incarnate and some of them are angels of karma.
They have the final say in our evolution, and decide what experiences we need for our soul to progress. They are not concerned if that experience is harsh as they know it will all be for the ultimate good.
There is also a great brotherhood of enlightened souls guiding the evolution of the human family, I do not know if they use computers.

I heard a lecture by Ursula Roberts in which she said cases of possession by spirits were usually the result of two spirits being incarnated in the same body.

...save the watches...

 

[dlorde]

The laws of physics are not incompatible with the possible existence of higher undetectable realms.

Yes they are - completely incompatible. See what Sean Carroll says that quantum field theory (now including the Higgs boson) tells us: The Fundamental Nature of Reality (I cut to the chase on that video; if you want the full explanation, watch it all).

The spirit world says the higher worlds are vibrating at a far higher rate than physical atoms, and the realms inter-penetrate. So they can exist in the same place without being perceptible by any other means than psychic development.

Nope, we now know for certain that isn't the case.

 

[PixyMisa]

Yes they are - completely incompatible. See what Sean Carroll says that quantum field theory (now including the Higgs boson) tells us: The Fundamental Nature of Reality (I cut to the chase on that video; if you want the full explanation, watch it all).

Neat.

No, neat doesn't do it justice. Those few minutes just there puncture so many silly baseless theories. It's awe-inspiring.

 

[Resume]

Having said that you do not go to a spiritualist church and swallow everything a medium says to you hook line and sinker. You apply reasoning to what you are told, and if it does not make sense to you, reject it.

There'd be nothing left to consider.

 

[dlorde]

Neat.

No, neat doesn't do it justice. Those few minutes just there puncture so many silly baseless theories. It's awe-inspiring.

Yup; if you want to maintain that anything paranormal, psychic, supernatural, etc., is real or relevant at human scales, you have to abandon as wrong the best theory we've ever had, which has matched every experiment we've done to test it as precisely as we are able to measure. But we know it's not wrong because of those very experiments, so the choice is an absolute one, between reality and fantasy - and, as you said earlier, you can't have both.

There's nothing wrong with dreaming, wishful thinking, fantasy, etc., as long as you don't confuse it with reality.

 

[Scorpion]

Neat.

No, neat doesn't do it justice. Those few minutes just there puncture so many silly baseless theories. It's awe-inspiring.

Since my personal experience tells me that the spirit world can see into the future, my perception of it is that it is bunk. He did say there could be other forces but they are too weak to effect us physically. He did say they do not know everything.

 

[dlorde]

It can be very uplifting or it can be quite disturbing. I first felt it as a disconcerting feeling like fire flowing through my chakras

As I understand it, chakras are supposed junction points physically located in correspondence with certain neural or venous/arterial plexi... so are you saying you felt an intense burning pain at certain points on or in your body? if so, I can see how that would be disconcerting - it sounds like a neurological problem. If not, I'd appreciate a clarification - I don't see how feeling you're on fire or burning could be 'very uplifting'...

I went to spiritualist churches for healing and they told me my etheric body was loose.

What does that mean? how can an 'etheric body' be 'loose'?

After years the healing fixed the problem.

How did they tighten it? I hope they didn't charge you. A good way to get you on board though...

.. if I went into old churches I felt a kind of psychic warmth around me.

How is psychic warmth different from ordinary warmth?

 

[dlorde]

Since my personal experience tells me that the spirit world can see into the future, my perception of it is that it is bunk.

So, on the one hand we have the most accurate, best tested theory of all time (that underlies the very technology you used to post your message) - and on the other, your unsupported perception that it is bunk...

He did say there could be other forces but they are too weak to effect us physically. He did say they do not know everything.

Yup; and he explained exactly why you can't use that as special pleading

 

[PixyMisa]

Since my personal experience tells me that the spirit world can see into the future, my perception of it is that it is bunk.

We know that your personal experience is false. If Quantum Field Theory were incorrect, the computer you are using would not work.

Since clearly it does work - or we would not be having this conversation - your beliefs in the supernatural are demonstrably false.

He did say there could be other forces but they are too weak to effect us physically.

Exactly. And that includes producing thoughts in your brain, or cheating on the lottery.

 

[Scorpion]

As I understand it, chakras are supposed junction points physically located in correspondence with certain neural or venous/arterial plexi... so are you saying you felt an intense burning pain at certain points on or in your body? if so, I can see how that would be disconcerting - it sounds like a neurological problem. If not, I'd appreciate a clarification - I don't see how feeling you're on fire or burning could be 'very uplifting'...

I had feelings like fire flowing through my brow and through my heart, and most of the other seven major chakras. I saw a chart of the chakras in a book called alternative London and recognized them as the places where I had felt the fire flowing. So I started going to spiritualist churches for help.
After a long search I was told it was because my chakras were out of alignment due to my etheric body being loose, and you are right it was not a pleasant sensation. I also felt like there were cobwebs floating over my skin.

What does that mean? how can an 'etheric body' be 'loose'?

The etheric body is an energy shell that links the higher bodies like the astral and mental body to the physical. and consciousness is channeled down through the chakras into the brain. If you suffer a lot of stress, as I did your etheric body can become loose and not align properly with the physical body.

How did they tighten it? I hope they didn't charge you. A good way to get you on board though...

Spiritual healing is free, but you can leave some money on the collection plate to keep the church running. I had a lot of healing and I could often feel it as a power or force flowing into me.

How is psychic warmth different from ordinary warmth?

It is perceivably different, and I could feel cold on a summers day and warm if I went into an old church. My nervous system was like a psychic barometer.

 

[The Shrike]

. . . I went to spiritualist churches for healing and they told me my etheric body was loose. After years the healing fixed the problem.

So you perceived some problem, and the people in contact with you interpreted that problem as something they made up. Shockingly, those people had the cure for the problem they invented: YEARS of spending more time and money with them!

It sounds to me like your chakras (whatever those are) and your etheric body (whatever that is) are just fine. Between your ears, however, lies a pathological gullibility. The reason you can't be reasoned out of these silly beliefs is that you don't want to own up to the fact that you've been a rube and a regular paying customer of charlatans for many years.

It's never pleasant to admit we've made foolish and costly mistakes in our lives, and I'm genuinely sorry that you've been victimized by this silliness for so long. Make no mistake though, it is silliness and you are a victim. You're here at the JREF and exposed to a wealth of information to help you break the cycle of fantasy in which you're entrapped. I hope you use the resources here to do just that.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

IThe spirit world do not participate in scientific experiments that would change the entire world.

A few posts back I predicted that Scorpion would respond with Special Pleading.

Viola!

Where can I apply for the million dollars, having demonstrated my ability to predict the future?

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Between your ears, however, lies a pathological gullibility.

Speaking of pathological...

...hearing voices that are not there can be a symptom, correct?

Maybe it's lupus?

 

[PixyMisa]

It's always lupus!

 

[Scorpion]

Speaking of pathological...

...hearing voices that are not there can be a symptom, correct?

Maybe it's lupus?

No it would be schizophrenia, but the difference between a hallucination and a real spirit voice is that the real voice tells you facts .

I was told by a female voice that I would win the lottery one hour before I did win five numbers. I have done the lottery since it started and I still do it and the only time I heard a voice say I had won was when I did win.
The odds against a five number win are 55000 to 1 and the odds against hearing a voice tell you you are going to win the only time you did win must be astronomical.

 

[Resume]

I was told by a female voice that I would win the lottery one hour before I did win five numbers.

Did you buy a ticket based on this, or did you already have it?

I have done the lottery since it started and I still do it and the only time I heard a voice say I had won was when I did win.

That you remember.