Merged New telepathy test: which number did I write ?

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Michael, why do you think it is that you broadcast thoughts but nobody else does? What's different about you?
 
Akhenaten said:
I wonder why it's taking so long to compile the results.

Doesn't Michel realise that we're all on the edge of our seats out here?
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Hummmpf. You've never had to do a credibility rating, have you. They're a *****. You have to go into one's life history, do a contextual analysis of every post one has ever made, check the quality of one's last five stools, etc.

Just keep you toga on straight and your pate out of direct sunlight between the hours of 10am and 3 pm (local time) and you'll soon be astonished - ASTONISHED, I tells ya - at the outcome.
 
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Hummmpf. You've never had to do a credibility rating, have you. They're a *****. You have to go into one's life history, do a contextual analysis of every post one has ever made, check the quality of one's last five stools, etc.

Just keep you toga on straight and your pate out of direct sunlight between the hours of 10am and 3 pm (local time) and you'll soon be astonished - ASTONISHED, I tells ya - at the outcome.
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I shall try this and attempt to establish a credibility rating for Michel's test.

It's OK to start with one's conclusion, isn't it?
 
I would actually like to ask Michel a few serious and honest questions.

We live in separate hemispheres, so more that likely I am going to be asleep for much of the time that Michel is awake. And I also need to assume that Michel does not spend all of his waking hours projecting a number, and nor do I spend any of my time waiting to recieve numbers (despite other posts here, I do have a life).

So, Michel, if your protocol deconstruction here has not already been enough to make you want to softly and silently vanish away, how long per day do you spend "sending" your number to the 7 + Billion people on this planet, and what are your thoughts about how your number is received? Does is just float around in the ether waiting for sleeping people to pick it up the next morning? Or do you just think "2" for a second or two, and then wake weeks for the responses to roll in?

Last and most serious question - Did you really try to send "2" out there somewhere or not, and if so, how long per day?

Norm
 
fromdownunder said:
I would actually like to ask Michel a few serious and honest questions.

We live in separate hemispheres, so more that likely I am going to be asleep for much of the time that Michel is awake. And I also need to assume that Michel does not spend all of his waking hours projecting a number, and nor do I spend any of my time waiting to recieve numbers (despite other posts here, I do have a life).

So, Michel, if your protocol deconstruction here has not already been enough to make you want to softly and silently vanish away, how long per day do you spend "sending" your number to the 7 + Billion people on this planet, and what are your thoughts about how your number is received? Does is just float around in the ether waiting for sleeping people to pick it up the next morning? Or do you just think "2" for a second or two, and then wake weeks for the responses to roll in?

Last and most serious question - Did you really try to send "2" out there somewhere or not, and if so, how long per day?

Norm
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I usually repeat the target number regularly, rather frequently at the beginning of the test, and less often after a few days. If you have captured the information once, it is sufficient. Also, I have rather irregular sleeping hours. I also ask the mysterious and unidentified "voices in my head" to also say and repeat the number, (possibly) in various places: when I am sitting in front of my laptop computer, in the kitchen, in the bedroom... . These "voices" seem often concerned about some security aspects of telepathy, so they are usually ready to help, if these tests can lead to a better understanding and acceptance of telepathy within human society.

There is perhaps something that I should add about this test, for perhaps a better understanding of the "results". When I first thought about doing a new test on this forum, my initial intention was to use a random number generator to produce the number (I didn't want to choose it myself). Then, I used the generator, and it gave the number "4". However, I had somehow bad memories from this number, as a target, so I decided to use "2" instead. I crossed out the "4"s I had already written, I wrote a "NO" next to them, and I wrote "2"s later, for this test. I note that your answer "42" (although it is not valid) is strongly correlated with the sequence of numbers I actually used (several people also answered "4"). You were also the only participant who gave a MD5 hash that I could really verify.

I am still waiting for Snorkio's number, I don't know if he will come back.
 
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I once worked with someone who lacked a sense of humour, it was really odd. You needed to be careful what you said to him, or even in his hearing, because he was unable to detect sarcasm and took everything literally. You don't realise how much humour seasons everyday conversation until you're actively watching for it in order to censor it out. He would also have been unaware of the significance of the number 42 because any work of comic genius, even one as well known as The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, would have been meaningless to him.
 
Whatever we or Michel H call it, whether it is real telepathy or not, this test and others show that Michel is unable to control the phenomenon perfectly, and this is both a problem for "proving" it to others and it appears to be a source of unhappiness for Michel. I again therefore urge him to see professionals who might help him control the phenomenon better and to follow their advice. If some of the doctors he has interacted with seem skeptical, he should know that the field has advanced significantly with time and they might be able to help now if they couldn't before. If they can help Michel control it better (and the other phenomena he has reported here), great!
 
Michel, I'd again like to ask a respectful question if I may. How do you know that there are not other telepaths who have spent the last few weeks testing their ability by transmitting a 3 or a 1 to the entire world? How do you know that the JREF test participants are picking up your telepathic signal and not someone else's telepathic signal?
 
Giordano said:
Whatever we or Michel H call it, whether it is real telepathy or not, this test and others show that Michel is unable to control the phenomenon perfectly, and this is both a problem for "proving" it to others and it appears to be a source of unhappiness for Michel. I again therefore urge him to see professionals who might help him control the phenomenon better and to follow their advice. If some of the doctors he has interacted with seem skeptical, he should know that the field has advanced significantly with time and they might be able to help now if they couldn't before. If they can help Michel control it better (and the other phenomena he has reported here), great!
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But this is what Michel believes.......

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I began hearing "voices in my head" in 1994 and, since then, I have talked about this phenomenon with physicians several times (either psychiatrists or general practitioners, also a neurologist). I have also been hospitalized in a mental health unit, in 1995. But I am afraid psychiatrists cannot help me a great deal, because I think I am a victim of mainly telepathic phenomena.


This is a little like going to the doctor for a back pain and when diagnosed with a slipped disc, saying that 'Doctors can't help me because actually it is a demon infestation, not a slipped disc.'

Michel feels that psychiatrists can't help him because he does not think that there's anything odd about belief in telepathy. He believes that the doctors are treating the wrong illness. Until that belief is shifted, psychiatrists really will not be able to help him, because he wants to be treated for the real illness, the demons, not the misdiagnosed illness, the slipped disc.

Michel has made his own diagnosis, and much as he might not want to be a telepath, sincerely believes that he is one. And when he is diagnosed as being mentally ill, it is probably with the same sense of outrage that I would feel if I was diagnosed by a medical professional as being a telepath.

Unfortunately the belief in telepathy is actually likely to be part of the illness. So he is in a most difficult position. Until he accepts that telepathy may not exist, he will be unable to accept that belief in telepathy to this extent may be a symptom of a treatable illness. He does not view himself as ill as such, and therefore will continue to believe that psychiatrists cannot help him.

If Michel had been lucky enough to develop a critical thinking habit before the onset of his illness, he may have been able to weather this particular storm. Unfortunately he hasn't.

It is, however, highly likely that Michel is an intelligent and educated man (although without formal science training) and is really struggling with these issues and this is at least partly why he is putting up so many barriers to treatment. A lesser mind would be more likely to be guided by authority figures such as doctors. As a thinking man, Michel may be really struggling to understand what is happening to him, hence these long winded and eventually pointless telepathy tests. He seems to me to be really trying to get to the heart of the matter.

One has to admit that Michel is putting a lot of time and effort into these studies. That they are meaningless is not registering with him. To him, it seems simple. If he can prove that he is telepathic, all these difficulties about people hearing voices will just magically be normalised. to him, it is as simple as that. Its part of an effort to control his environment that he feels is out of his control and to gain some semblance of normality.

His efforts here on this board are not for our entertainment, although they are entertaining. They are a sincere attempt to get to the bottom of what is happening to him. That they are clearly misguided is not apparent to him at all, and no amount of explaining why this is so will get through. This is part of the illness. He will no more be able to understand that they are pointless than I would be be able to understand a doctor shoving crystals in my ear to cure flat feet.

Michel is not refusing to understand the points about scientific methodology, he is unable to because of the illness that he likely has. He feels that we are missing the point in suggesting a trip to the doctors.

With regards to armchair diagnoses in general, I am not entirely without expertise in this area. You will note though that I have been most careful to refrain from any particular diagnosis.

I have a great deal of sympathy for Michel and what he is going through. I also have a great deal of admiration for his sterling efforts to make sense of a nonsensical (to him) world. That he is misguided is not his fault.
 
I find it fascinating that the two members currently touting their telepathic abilities have yet been able to connect with each other. Despite the threads being right next to each other much of the time.
 
Ladewig said:
Michel, I'd again like to ask a respectful question if I may. How do you know that there are not other telepaths who have spent the last few weeks testing their ability by transmitting a 3 or a 1 to the entire world? How do you know that the JREF test participants are picking up your telepathic signal and not someone else's telepathic signal?
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Well, first of all, I have been trying to transmit a 2 in this test, not a 1 or a 3. Next, I don't know what other people may have been doing during the past week. But I strongly suspect (based e.g. on testimonies, I have already mentioned some here) I am very "special", as far as telepathy is concerned (note: "special" doesn't mean "better", or "good", I am not claiming that I am better than anyone else). I suspect that, if other people tried to transmit numbers, they would be less "effective" (so to speak).
 
scarlettinlondon said:
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It is, however, highly likely that Michel is an intelligent and educated man (although without formal science training) and is really struggling with these issues...
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Actually, I have a Ph.D. degree in theoretical physics from a large U.S. university (and also a Belgian engineering degree).
 
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