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Heeeeeeere's Obamacare!

:confused: I'm not good at picking up sarcasm in text without clear contextual cues... so help a girl out. I really don't know how to read your post.
Quite simply, according to Harry Reid, there is no such thing as someone worse off under Obamacare. "ALL" such stories are "untrue." That means anyone who claims otherwise is lying.

Plenty of other partisans here and in public office have also inferred that criticisms of the administration are motivated by racism. Therefore if you have a problem with Obamacare, you are racist or lying.
 
Quite simply, according to Harry Reid, there is no such thing as someone worse off under Obamacare. "ALL" such stories are "untrue." That means anyone who claims otherwise is lying.

Plenty of other partisans here and in public office have also inferred that criticisms of the administration are motivated by racism. Therefore if you have a problem with Obamacare, you are racist or lying.

Or you're a lying racist. ;)
 
So what do you feel would be a viable alternative? Also, how does a single payer make it a monopoly?

ETA: How would a monopoly in this case be a bad thing? Especially if it provides people with healthcare when and if they need it, without bankrupting them. Maybe I don't understand what a monopoly is, but that seems like the opposite of a monopoly.

I'm sorry for the late reply but I've had a busy work week. I just wanted to let you know I hadn't forgotten that you replied. I'll provide a response to this later tonight when I can sit down and spend some time on it.


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Repeal the ACA and the health insurance/care system in the USA will fix itself. Also, cut off funding to welfare and food assistance programs and those will programs will fix themselves as well.
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Instead of playing clairvoyant and assigning such rhetoric to anything resembling disagreement with the ACA you could try reading the argument and contributing something. I've lost interest in providing the dignity of a response to these types of replies in the future. I'm too dry on my humor to be able to play along... Thanks for your generous understanding.
 
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Actually, at least one of them (cannot recall which) stated that the increase is also probably due at least partly to higher employment numbers. More people working equals more people with health insurance.

That one would be the Rand study - the 1 of the 3 that I noted ;). But it also had a very small sample size, which means that their margin of error is very large. It's probably directionally useful, but I wouldn't hang my hat on any of the actual numbers. Hell, I've got almost twice that sample size in my own survey, and it's just for one state. Their sample size was 2,425... I've got 5,359 in mine.

For my state, I got about 10% each going to the Individual market and the Employer market.
 
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Please, enlighten us.
People whose plans were discontinued still had coverage both before and after ACA. There's no guarantee that their ACA coverage is more expensive than their coverage was prior to ACA.

Also, ALL of the plans in force in the individual market prior to 1/1/2014 were nonconforming. Not all states required cancellations. Some allowed them, some disallowed them. And some went for a mixed approach with an "opt-out" provision whereby carriers could auto-enroll their existing members who were on nonconforming plans into ACA compliant plans; then if the member wished to retain their nonconforming plan they could call the carrier and change back.

In either case, the relationship between the price before and after ACA has nothing to do with whether the plan was cancelled. It has to do with the provisions in the ACA that changed the underlying actuarial value of the plan (what services are covered, and how rich that coverage is), as well as the compression of the age rating factors, the dissolution of the high-risk pools, and the entry of the uninsured into the individual market, and the transformation of a risk-underwritten market into a community rated market.

All of those things combined serve to increase the premium on average. Offsetting those factors, however, are several actions that carriers took that moderated the average impact, as well as subsidies. Negotiated rates with providers, narrower networks and exclusive hospital contracts, and a willingness to take risk in the first few years because of risk corridors and federal reinsurance all kept the premiums from risking as much as they otherwise would have.

That said, the impact of those rate changes are not uniform. They vary from state to state, because each state had a different regulatory environment prior to 2014. For some states, like WA, the shift to community rating was negligible because we were already almost completely community rated anyway. And the age compression was also not a big deal - we went from 3.5:1 to 3:1. For other states, like Alaska, it was a large effect. Their age scale was previously 6:1. In that case, older people found themselves better off than they were in 2013... but younger people saw their rated go up all else being equal.

Generally speaking, I'd guess that most everyone with FPL over 400% would see their rates go up - that's somewhere around 40% of the people in the Individual market. Under 400% it's much more difficult to pin down, as it's going to vary from state to state, as well as by age.

At the end of the day, however, it depends on several factors, including how comprehensive the product was that they had in 2013.

Whether that policy was cancelled is irrelevant to assessing whether their rates went up.
 
Quite simply, according to Harry Reid, there is no such thing as someone worse off under Obamacare. "ALL" such stories are "untrue." That means anyone who claims otherwise is lying.

Plenty of other partisans here and in public office have also inferred that criticisms of the administration are motivated by racism. Therefore if you have a problem with Obamacare, you are racist or lying.

I don't know if you mean this as a joking thing making fun of Harry Reid and other partisans, or if you are intending that as support for your belief that any criticism I have is lies and is motivated by racism.
 
I don't know if you mean this as a joking thing making fun of Harry Reid and other partisans, or if you are intending that as support for your belief that any criticism I have is lies and is motivated by racism.
He/she's doing parody... seems clear to me though I was also confused at first
 
Quite simply, according to Harry Reid, there is no such thing as someone worse off under Obamacare. "ALL" such stories are "untrue." That means anyone who claims otherwise is lying.

Reid was talking about the Obamacare horror stories presented in advertisements from AFP and similar groups. These stories made victims out of people that were actually helped by the ACA. Yes, they are a pack of lies.

The people that appeared in the adds seem to be confused and mislead. Most of the confusion is the result of a massive disinformation campaign by ACA opponents.

ETA: Does AFP really stand for Americans For Plutocracy?
 
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Reid was talking about the Obamacare horror stories presented in advertisements from AFP and similar groups. These stories made victims out of people that were actually helped by the ACA. Yes, they are a pack of lies.
Nice attempt at clearing Reid, but a fail. First, he didn't limit the statement to one source. What part of "Despite all that good news, there's plenty of horror stories being told. All of them are untrue," do you not understand?

Secondly, he backed off on his assertion, amending it to, "I can’t say that every one of the Koch brothers’ ads are a lie, but I’ll say this: Mr. President, the vast, vast majority of them are.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2014/03/reid-wrong-on-afp-criticism/
 
So if we accept that Reid was wrong about EVERY story being a lie, where does that leave us?
 
So if we accept that Reid was wrong about EVERY story being a lie, where does that leave us?

Just a bunch of lying partisans... really. Reid's more or less solidified the impression in me that he's one of those figures that likes to rub salt into every possible wound even it means using slander to accomplish it as long as the ends justify the means. I know it sounds pessimistic but I've never had a high opinion of him. He's essentially addressing falsehoods with more falsehoods... which to answer your question a second time pretty much leaves us with what we started... the guys' a known partisan... the comments he made aren't surprising and he makes strange bedfellows with those he'd criticize.
 
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So if we accept that Reid was wrong about EVERY story being a lie, where does that leave us?

With Obamacare still being the law and providing access to healthcare to millions of Americans.

And sore loser conservatives pouting in the corner.
 
So if we accept that Reid was wrong about EVERY story being a lie, where does that leave us?
Seeing once again what a liar Reid is. Oh, and Obamacare fans trying to beat back the discontent by lying about the problems and suffering resulting from Obamacare.
 
Seeing once again what a liar Reid is. Oh, and Obamacare fans trying to beat back the discontent by lying about the problems and suffering resulting from Obamacare.

The fact checkers have verified that it's the Obamacare opponents that are lying, presenting phony stories of suffering caused by the Affordable Care Act. So instead of an argument about facts, we now have a personal attack on Harry Reid because he commented on the disinformation in ads from AFP and similar groups.

Harry Reid is also the target of bogus conspiracy theories related to the Bundy standoff in Nevada. I doubt this is mere coincidence since Reid is up for reelection this year. The big money boys behind AFP would love to see him replaced with a Tea Party Republican who doesn't believe in climate change or any form of environmental protection.

ETA: The people that are suffering the most from Obamacare are the pundits who predicted the program would collapse and fail.
 
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The fact checkers have verified that it's the Obamacare opponents that are lying, presenting phony stories of suffering caused by the Affordable Care Act. So instead of an argument about facts, we now have a personal attack on Harry Reid because he commented on the disinformation in ads from AFP and similar groups.
I don't dispute there may have been distortions by the opponents. By the same token Reid has done the same, but somehow he's given a pass, with attempts to hand-wave away and excuse his lies. Once again, he claimed "ALL" Obamacare disaster stories were lies. He then admitted that they weren't.

ETA: The people that are suffering the most from Obamacare are the pundits who predicted the program would collapse and fail.
Um, no. Commentators don't experience much of a suffering from their predictions. People that now can't afford the insurance they were happy with pre-Obamacare or the ones experiencing huge premium increases are the ones suffering.
 
With Obamacare still being the law and providing access to healthcare to millions of Americans.

And sore loser conservatives pouting in the corner.

You are correct, sir!

In a couple of year, the Conservatives will be trying to take credit for getting the ACA passed.
 
Why are ACA critics here suddenly talking about Harry Reid? I thought it was Obamacare.

Oh, that's right. Obama's not running again :rolleyes:
 
Why are ACA critics here suddenly talking about Harry Reid? I thought it was Obamacare.

Oh, that's right. Obama's not running again :rolleyes:

If you'd follow your own thread you'd know that with all the accolades that you love to post, are some real downers like http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9956132&postcount=1683

But I went ahead and helped you out by dismissing them with the universal anti-Obamacare silencer- racism. When questioned as to the source and legitimacy of the silencer I simply cited one of the many sources - Harry Reid.

I've brought you up to date on your thread now. You're welcome.
 

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