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Moneymakin'! The BFRO Bigfoot Expeditions Thread.

No, but his kids did, after he died, and then the Footers took his memory to the wood shed.
 
It seems Bigfootery pays very little.

Bigfootery hoaxing admission: even less.
 
Drewbot said:
How many visions are of Stealthy Apes?

They are only stealthy when the TV shows and Scientists get out in the Woods.

Almost every sighting, is a giant monster ripping leaves off of branches, hucking boulders at cabins, howling like a coyote, chasing cars on Indian Reservations, laying down in the road while they drive up to them in their truck.

Nothing stealthy about them, unless you are a TV show out trying to look for them.
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Obviously they need to contact bigfoot's agent.
 
William Parcher said:
...I don't think Bigfootery is always reducible to lying. But liars cannot be put aside as not being fundamental to the birth and perpetuation of Bigfoot belief.

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My opinion is that some people see other people in the wilds (or not so wild areas) and come to believe that they are seeing (or saw) a Bigfoot. This kind of misidentification constitutes more than 90% of all genuine mis-IDs, in my opinion. It also makes more sense because they are seeing an actual bipedal primate but the error is that it's the wrong species...
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Thank you and I totally agree.
 
William Parcher said:
The conclusion of "people are seeing bears and then reporting Bigfoot" is unsupported and seems naive to the realities of Bigfootery.

IMO, if there is any misidentification justified and likely (no matter how remote the wilderness may be) it would be "people are seeing people and then reporting Bigfoot".
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Well . . .

“They’re a type of people, they’re a human-hybrid, we believe. And all of the DNA evidence points to that. And they can elude us, so if you get [footage] at all, it can be fleeting," Melba Ketchum (DVM)
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There are several reasons that my vote is that the vast majority of reports are lies. The evidence I have to support this exists of a post on the BFF from a long-time investigator. He had investigated local sightings for years. To make a long story short, after dozens, if not over 100 investigations, his results were...1 misidentification of a double-step bear track. 2 people who reported a known hoax ( a guy in an ape suit on the side of the road) and all of the rest admitted they were "making it up". Unlike Bobo and Matt, he would challenge the story teller.
To this I add my personal experience with people telling me local legends as if they were first-hand accounts. The first local legend is the "Catfish as big as a car at the bottom of the dam" story. I've been told this legend several times by" someone who knows the diver". A similar local legend springs from a wildlife management area near the Oak Ridge Tn nuclear reactor. Deer hunting is allowed, but all deer are checked for radiation levels. The local legend is that the deer "glow". I have had people tell me they have seen glowing deer in the area.
Based on these things, I believe the vast majority of bigfoot reports are just made-up stories more than anything else. Many start out as a lark, but grow as time goes by. Different people take it to different levels. For example, back in the old days of video games at the movie theatre - some people drop a few quarters into PAC MAN and see how they do, while others play for hours on end in order to get the high score.

As someone said above - Bigfoot performance art.
 
comncents said:
There are several reasons that my vote is that the vast majority of reports are lies. The evidence I have to support this exists of a post on the BFF from a long-time investigator. He had investigated local sightings for years. To make a long story short, after dozens, if not over 100 investigations, his results were...1 misidentification of a double-step bear track. 2 people who reported a known hoax ( a guy in an ape suit on the side of the road) and all of the rest admitted they were "making it up". Unlike Bobo and Matt, he would challenge the story teller.
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Would you agree that those who make claims of seeing a Sasquatch face ridicule in their community or even from their friends and family?
 
Northern Lights said:
Would you agree that those who make claims of seeing a Sasquatch face ridicule in their community or even from their friends and family?
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Depends on if the friends or family are in on the joke. Gramma Schlegel used to tell any and sundry of the hoop snakes that used to roll down the hills in Pennsylvania like, well, hoops. She was just carrying on the legend, but Gramps would roll his eyes because there are no such things as hoops snakes. Then, we'd all chuckle

Folks tell all sorts of stories. Millions of people told a lie today, some of these lies cast them in a bad light. What matter of 6 thousand or so campfire stories over 40+ years about a North American monkey? Just a drop in the bucket.

Not that I'm saying you're lying NL.

ETA Not to mention the uncritical acceptance of all manner of nonsense in venues like BFF. Go over there right now and you'll see a half dozen posters shovelling ******** as fast as folks can absorb it. Then, they'll ask for more.
 
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comncents said:
There are several reasons that my vote is that the vast majority of reports are lies. The evidence I have to support this exists of a post on the BFF from a long-time investigator. He had investigated local sightings for years. To make a long story short, after dozens, if not over 100 investigations, his results were...1 misidentification of a double-step bear track. 2 people who reported a known hoax ( a guy in an ape suit on the side of the road) and all of the rest admitted they were "making it up". Unlike Bobo and Matt, he would challenge the story teller.
To this I add my personal experience with people telling me local legends as if they were first-hand accounts. The first local legend is the "Catfish as big as a car at the bottom of the dam" story. I've been told this legend several times by" someone who knows the diver". A similar local legend springs from a wildlife management area near the Oak Ridge Tn nuclear reactor. Deer hunting is allowed, but all deer are checked for radiation levels. The local legend is that the deer "glow". I have had people tell me they have seen glowing deer in the area.
Based on these things, I believe the vast majority of bigfoot reports are just made-up stories more than anything else. Many start out as a lark, but grow as time goes by. Different people take it to different levels. For example, back in the old days of video games at the movie theatre - some people drop a few quarters into PAC MAN and see how they do, while others play for hours on end in order to get the high score.

As someone said above - Bigfoot performance art.
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This is great stuff.
Rural Tn is a gold mine for "urban" legends.
I have heard the catfish one many times at just about every dam, and the glowing deer one. How about the kid at creek who got into the "nest" of cotton mouths and died, or the cave nearby (wherever you are) where Jesse James supposedly buried some gold?
I think my actual favorite is that per capita, Jameston, Gainesboro, Sparta, Onieda and several other small towns, where named the unsolved murder capital of the world, and there was a story about it once on Paul Harvey back in the 80s. Multiple people have told me first had they heard Harvey say it, so I'm with you, "liars".
 
Northern Lights said:
Would you agree that those who make claims of seeing a Sasquatch face ridicule in their community or even from their friends and family?
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I would not agree with this statement unless it was qualified. Bigfooters are choosing to participate in a community that will celebrate their bs story. The better the story, the more brave a soul you are for sharing it. Nothing demonstrates this better than the rise of the "knowers" over the past few years. Far from being ridiculed as someone with such a story would (and should) be in other communities, the knower achieves instant celebrity 'footer status.

For people who are lonely, depressed, or marginalized, the instant respect, admiration, and simple attention that "knowers" get at the BFF must be an intoxicating rush, indeed.

I'll never understand the "why would someone share their story" schtick. Why wouldn't someone share a bigfoot story?! The stories are cool, people love bigfoot, and the "witness" gains instant celebrity. Heck, these days you can even get on TV for sharing your bigfoot story (so make it a good one!).
 
When mere reports become pedestrian, then things really get interesting. You have the Nephalim bigfoot for the fundamentalists, the peace-loving, tree-hugging bigfoot for the hippie types, the more ominous in appearance with saggital crests or Dogman characteristics for scarier campfire stories. And of course, the "Big Reds" because . . . well because that's all the guy could think of at the time.

Not to put too fine a point on this but that's a lot of characteristics for a creature that has never been reliably observed. Which naturally raises eyebrows among the general public, and more so in the scientific community.

But they are not the target market.
 
The Shrike said:
I would not agree with this statement unless it was qualified. Bigfooters are choosing to participate in a community that will celebrate their bs story. The better the story, the more brave a soul you are for sharing it. Nothing demonstrates this better than the rise of the "knowers" over the past few years. Far from being ridiculed as someone with such a story would (and should) be in other communities, the knower achieves instant celebrity 'footer status.

For people who are lonely, depressed, or marginalized, the instant respect, admiration, and simple attention that "knowers" get at the BFF must be an intoxicating rush, indeed.

I'll never understand the "why would someone share their story" schtick. Why wouldn't someone share a bigfoot story?! The stories are cool, people love bigfoot, and the "witness" gains instant celebrity. Heck, these days you can even get on TV for sharing your bigfoot story (so make it a good one!).
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I'm not talking about making a report to your friendly neighborhood BFRO or SRA site, I'm talking about telling your poker buddies or the members of your church. If you actually think that folks don't get ridiculed, then try it yourself. Do your own experiment and see what it's like. Create a new user on this site and post something and see how it's accepted.
 
^^ This site is not the same thing as your poker buddies or the members of your church. Not a very apt comparison.

I think the rewards for lying about bigfoot don't come from your poker buddies or your church members. They come from the bigfoot community. And the liars know this. Finding Bigfoot ( as alluded to by Shrike) shows us that there is not really a shortage of folks looking to talk lay claim to a bigfoot sighting. This is done weekly on national tv and in front of a town hall full of community members. Some of whom must surely be church members or maybe even poker buddies.

No, I do not buy the noble martyrdom of the poor bigfoot witness who just needs to unburden the soul to the ridicule of the world. That is BS.
 
Northern Lights said:
I'm not talking about making a report to your friendly neighborhood BFRO or SRA site, I'm talking about telling your poker buddies or the members of your church. If you actually think that folks don't get ridiculed, then try it yourself. Do your own experiment and see what it's like. Create a new user on this site and post something and see how it's accepted.
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The obvious solution is to not tell those unamenable to bigfoot.

Seriously, people tell all kinds of stories every day that earn them some teasing or outright ridicule. Some of these folks even believe these stories.

Ask anyone who's interned at a TV or radio call desk. Reports of everything from aliens to Elvis from individuals who leave their names and numbers expecting a call back. Negative attention is better than no attention it seems. This can hardly be news, can it?

Honestly NL, are bigfoot enthusiasts this oblivious to common human behavior traits?

ETA: As dmaker noted above, the JREF, or skeptics in general ain't a bigfoot reporter's target market anyway.
 
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dmaker said:
^^ This site is not the same thing as your poker buddies or the members of your church. Not a very apt comparison.

I think the rewards for lying about bigfoot don't come from your poker buddies or your church members. They come from the bigfoot community. And the liars know this. Finding Bigfoot ( as alluded to by Shrike) shows us that there is not really a shortage of folks looking to talk lay claim to a bigfoot sighting. This is done weekly on national tv and in front of a town hall full of community members. Some of whom must surely be church members or maybe even poker buddies.

No, I do not buy the noble martyrdom of the poor bigfoot witness who just needs to unburden the soul to the ridicule of the world. That is BS.
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Not to mention that country folk like to put stuff over on city slickers. Looking at the bigfoot phenomenon, you can see how well the model worked. So well the country folk are buying it as too.
 
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