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No more support for Windows XP

Corsair 115 said:
Can Windows 7 still be found for sale? I thought it was only Windows 8 that could be found these days.
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I believe technically the consumer version isn't supposed to be sold now, just OEM/Builder version, it is still easily found.
 
I just got the update and started installing it. It seemed to take an awful long time for a "notification". So I cancelled it. (Big risk -- if I screwed it up, no support!)

I guess I was just suspicious that "No support" means "You can't use your computer after that date".
 
Orphia Nay said:
Will definitely keep it in mind when I get the new one set up.

My current puter sounds like a plane taking off when I just open a page from HuffPo, for example. :boggled:
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Sounds like you need to clean out your fan. The simple way to do it if you're on a laptop is to hold the fan in place (tweezers on one of the blades for example) and blow compressed air into it from where the hot air comes out. I did that to my laptop a couple of months ago and not only is it a lot quieter, it also runs 15 degrees cooler than it did before.
 
KoihimeNakamura said:
Microsoft is trying to be more like Apple in having a clearly defined move to new OS date. It makes a lot of sense actually. Making each new OS compatible with older versions required a lot of work.
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Copying Apple by also continuing to do the same thing that they've done for decades?!

Supporting 4 current version of their desktop OS would be doing something new for them.
 
I've been on windows 8 since launch... I did find it stable enough (when it got to 8.1). I just don't see it as a "business" ready OS... the place I work with is now looking to upgrade everything and we all pretty much agreed on the "7" since the metro apps have absolutely no value to the architecture work we do.

Not that it can't be productive, it's just why get the extra bells and whistles if it's not going to make the business more productive?
 
Damien Evans said:
Sounds like you need to clean out your fan. The simple way to do it if you're on a laptop is to hold the fan in place (tweezers on one of the blades for example) and blow compressed air into it from where the hot air comes out. I did that to my laptop a couple of months ago and not only is it a lot quieter, it also runs 15 degrees cooler than it did before.
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This, so much. I just did that with my ten year old laptop, except I took it apart (and I mean completely apart). It was like there was two inch thick fuzz from the dryer. Went from overheating at 100 C just running normally to idling comfortably around 50 C.

Mind you, I did break the speakers and some of the casing, but it was worth it.

When get a new laptop, where the fan is is going to be my top concern :p .
 
Grizzly Bear said:
I've been on windows 8 since launch... I did find it stable enough (when it got to 8.1). I just don't see it as a "business" ready OS... the place I work with is now looking to upgrade everything and we all pretty much agreed on the "7" since the metro apps have absolutely no value to the architecture work we do.

Not that it can't be productive, it's just why get the extra bells and whistles if it's not going to make the business more productive?
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Do the bells and whistles cost much more? Do you have to use them if you don't want to?

If the answer to those two questions is no I don't understand why it would be better to buy last decade's version instead of the newest one. That is going to be the next one that they quit supporting.

Also, is there going to be any inherent technical superiority in Win 8 now and/or in the future which 7 won't be able to supply?

If the answer to that is yes then the expense of upgrading an entire workplace to an OS that is next on the list to be obsolete just doesn't seem sensible. New software will be written to take advantage of those features, and it just might be software you'll want.

Don't let the bad press hype color your judgement. It's mostly just that ... press hype. The negative kind, which appears to be becoming more popular. Why write about the advantages of something new when you can impress all the kool kids with the cleverness of your disapproval.
 
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/201...dows-8-8-1-market-share-windows-xp-still-27/?

March was the fifth full month of availability for Microsoft’s latest operating system version: Windows 8.1 continues to steadily grow while Windows 8 managed to stay flat, allowing the duo together to finally crack 11 percent market share. Meanwhile, with only a week left of support, Windows XP still has more than 27 percent of the pie.

The latest market share data from Net Applications shows that Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 have gained a combined 0.62 percentage points (from 10.68 percent to 11.30 percent). More specifically, Windows 8 gained 0.03 percentage points (from 6.38 percent to 6.41 percent), while Windows 8.1 grabbed an additional 0.59 percentage points (from 4.30 percent to 4.89 percent).

Meanwhile, Windows 7 outgained them both by jumping 1.46 percentage points (from 47.31 percent to 48.77 percent). After Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 did better combined than Windows 7 for three months straight, their predecessor has come back with a vengeance.


Windows 7 is the next XP. It will be around a long time.
 
Tends to be every other OS. . . .Win 9 many people hope it will be more what they would like
 
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TheL8Elvis said:
Windows 7 is the next XP. It will be around a long time.
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Exactly. What's going to be harder is the 64bit support means you won't run into the 4GB memory limit as well as physical disk limitations. That would be a legit reason to upgrade.

Old doesn't necessarily mean not useful in software. I would reckon there are a lot of core components in any OS that are essentially solved problems and really don't need a refresh for the sake of being new. I'm not going down the "640K for everybody" path, but in the scope of a user end device you can only tweak the core so much. A 64bit OS with support for IPv6 could probably see a lot more mileage than even XP.

So yeah, it's no surprise that MS recognizes this and is now pushing sales of the fluffy outer layer.
 
Japanese bank beats XP deadline, moves 30,000 terminals to Windows 8

The group, which is behind the Saitama Resona Bank, Kinki Osaka Bank and other group companies, completed its two-year migration of some 30,000 Windows XP client terminals this February.


"We decided to migrate straight to Windows 8, and there was no opposition to the approach of leveraging the latest products to boost efficiency," said Tetsuya Shiratori, executive officer and general manager of Resona Holdings' information technology planning division.
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TheL8Elvis said:
And this demonstrates ... the exception to the rule ?

What's you point ?
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What "rule"?

We've been discussing the choice of Win7 vs. Win8 as a result of the final demise of XP. I thought this was an interesting datum.

As far as it being an exception is concerned, that remains to be seen.

One source says;
London-based Sridhar Athreya at financial technology advisers SunGard Consulting Services said banks neglected to upgrade security systems, after being overwhelmed by new regulatory demands in the wake of the 2007-08 financial crisis.

"They were probably not very serious about the directive that came in from Microsoft. There's a lot of change going on at these banks at this moment in time and they would have seen Windows XP as one more change," he said.
Windows XP currently supports around 95 percent of the world's ATMs.
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95%. That there's a bunch of ATMs.

The alternatives are limited. Basically they can ...

1) Stay with XP and either pay MS for custom support, pay someone else for custom support, or cross their fingers and pray.

2) Upgrade to Win7

3) Upgrade to Win8

4) Change to a different OS entirely and get new software for that.

5) Pay someone to write custom software from scratch.

Apparently JPMorgan Chase is going with the MS custom support for the time being. TD Bank says they've upgraded to Win7, which accounts for about 1,900 machines. Citibank ain't sayin' much, only that they're doing something. Bank of America ain't talkin'.

The reason I think it's significant is that I don't believe these institutions are going to make this change without a great deal of reflection and investigation. More than most businesses.

30,000 machines ain't chopped liver either, and that's just one banking outfit.

Why do you think it isn't significant?
 
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quadraginta said:
What "rule"?
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The "rule" that most shops are switching to win 7, not win 8/.1

quadraginta said:
We've been discussing the choice of Win7 vs. Win8 as a result of the final demise of XP.
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But not really in terms of corporate america.

quadraginta said:
I thought this was an interesting datum.
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A a single piece of datum, it's not interesting at all. It's a fluff marketing piece from MS. :rolleyes:

quadraginta said:
As far as it being an exception is concerned, that remains to be seen.
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No it doesn't. I already posted the numbers a few posts above.
If you need more proof, just google....

http://redmondmag.com/articles/2014/02/01/transforming-the-workplace.aspx
Even when the headline is:
Why Major Corporations Are Making the Move to Windows 8
the truth in the article is:
The majority of shops faced with the need to retire existing Windows XP-based PCs are still opting for Windows 7

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http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/slideshows/windows-8-10-reasons-enterprises-wont-deploy-it/
Enterprises are standing firm in their resistance to deploying Windows 8. Even though it has been on the market for more than a year, which is plenty of time for corporate IT managers to evaluate this new Windows edition, most enterprises are standing pat with earlier Windows versions. Companies around the globe are still deploying new computers in the office, but so far, they're mainly sticking with Windows 7.


quadraginta said:
One source says;
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95%. That there's a bunch of ATMs.

The alternatives are limited. Basically they can ...

1) Stay with XP and either pay MS for custom support, pay someone else for custom support, or cross their fingers and pray.

2) Upgrade to Win7

3) Upgrade to Win8

4) Change to a different OS entirely and get new software for that.

5) Pay someone to write custom software from scratch.

Apparently JPMorgan Chase is going with the MS custom support for the time being. TD Bank says they've upgraded to Win7, which accounts for about 1,900 machines. Citibank ain't sayin' much, only that they're doing something. Bank of America ain't talkin'.

The reason I think it's significant is that I don't believe these institutions are going to make this change without a great deal of reflection and investigation. More than most businesses.

30,000 machines ain't chopped liver either, and that's just one banking outfit.
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XP embedded is not XP, and it isn't even EOL'ed yet. I don't know why it's relevant, we weren't talking about XP embedded.

quadraginta said:
Why do you think it isn't significant?
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Answered above.
 
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Dancing David said:
Not really, after all the patches it is really bloated, Win7 is nice if you have teh system run it, very stable compared to XP.

XP is hardly stable, even after SP3, but then I worked with a lot of machines with XP. It is nice for what it does, yet Win7 is even nicer and I hear good things about 8

Just for explanation, I was a tech aide in two buildings, over 300 machines running XP, it was a mess, the level of vulnerability was atrocious, even with SP3, even legacy worms could crawl through a field of XP machines.

Now when a virus or scareware hacks Win7 it is usually a booger to remove.
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Both of my work machines (workstation and laptop) have been recently upgraded from XP to 7. Both are running noticeably faster on 7. I have found the change from XP to 7 to be quite painless. The "Documents and Settings" folder has been replaced by the "Users" folder (which is actually where it was in Windows 2000 IIRC), and a few other folders now have different names and/or are in different places in the hierarchy. Also, a few Control Panel applets have different names ("Add or Remove Programs" is changed to "Programs and Features").

I have also bought a new personal desktop system to replace my 10 year old Dell, also on Windows 7. I have little desire to learn the Windows 8 interface until it becomes absolutely necessary.

Linux is a good OS, but the thing that keeps me on Windows is that it still has the largest catalog of available software, and I know that any hardware I buy will work with Windows. With Linux, hardware usually works but once in a while you run into hardware that has no Linux drivers available. I don't want to turn this into a Linux vs. Windows religious war, and I have no doubt that Linux fits the needs of many people.

Or you could just get a Mac. Of course, if a new Windows system isn't in your budget, a new Mac certainly isn't.
 
Years ago, I had to buy a number of programs for various tasks.
Used to buy used versions, a few years old which somebody changed to a newer version.
Now I can almost always find an open license program to do the same job.
The only non game I bought recently was Word Perfect X5 as an upgrade from Word Perfect 7 because "7 does not work on 7" :D
Bought X5 because could get it much cheaper than X6.
There are certain features of Word Perfect that are not emulated in other word processors.
 
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quadraginta said:
1) Stay with XP and either pay MS for custom support, pay someone else for custom support, or cross their fingers and pray.
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You forgot "get custom support for free". There are jillions of XP users. Odds are there will still be plenty of software and plenty of support for the foreseeable future.
 
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