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WTC Dust Study Feb 29, 2012 by Dr. James Millette

Harrit: Chips of interest burned and destroyed at 430 C.
Millette: Standard protocol followed except the temperature set to only 400 so as not to destroy the samples. All of this openly explained in Millette's paper, unlike Kevin Ryan who never released his FTIR results, and Jeff Farrer who never released his TEM results!

This is SO obvious! You follow protocol unless following protocol destroys what you are trying to do. By way of analogy, the protocol for mouth-to-mouth resucitation is, well, mouth to mouth. But if you know that the person's lips are coated with a substance you have a deadly allergy to you, you follow protocol except you find a way not to put your mouth on the dying person's mouth. Obvious, right? You are kidding, aren't you? Protocol is protocol... what a bizarre statement. Millette would NEVER be able to ash his chips and prepare them for analysis if he followed every protocol including 450-degree heating!!!!!
 
Senenmut said:
bump for chris:
I might have missed you talking about this in the beginning of the thread.
you asked two dozen labs if they could test the chips??? did these two dozen labs alreaday have chips?? if not, who was going to supply the chips?
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Senenmut, most labs did not have the chips. For that matter, the people at most labs laughed at me for even doing this absurd experiment. I didn't consider it absurd so I dumped them from consideration. If I found a lab without chips and didn't find Millette, I would have asked Kevin Ryan again, and Niels harrit, and Richard gage, and Steven Jones. I also got an email from someone claiming to have more chips for sale, an offer I did not need to take.
 
chrismohr said:
Harrit: Chips of interest burned and destroyed at 430 C.
Millette: Standard protocol followed except the temperature set to only 400 so as not to destroy the samples. All of this openly explained in Millette's paper, unlike Kevin Ryan who never released his FTIR results, and Jeff Farrer who never released his TEM results!
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he assumed. if he would have followed protocol, then he could have said this is what happens at the protocol temp. and people around the world would have gotten the same results if they would have followed the protocol and had the same material.

chrismohr said:
This is SO obvious! You follow protocol unless following protocol destroys what you are trying to do.
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he did not know that it would be destroyed.

chrismohr said:
Millette would NEVER be able to ash his chips and prepare them for analysis if he followed every protocol including 450-degree heating!!!!!
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your assuming. why would there be a protocol concerning paint and what temp to ash that paint if it hasn't been tested on many types of paint. if he did heat his chips to 450C like the protocol stated and got iron and silicon rich microspheres, he could then have stated that and then back down on the heat. hopefully with a chip he cut in half.
 
Senenmut said:
he did not know that it would be destroyed.
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Pretty sure hi did know it would be destroyed. Are you assuming he didn't read harrit's paper? How else would he have known the separation protocol?

He made it very clear in his paper that the reason he reduced the temp was to preserve any thermite that might be bound in the paint. If there was thermite in the paint, and the substance would have ignited, how would he know there was ever thermite in the paint? Iron rich microshperes are not exclusive to thermite.
 
chrismohr said:
Senenmut, most labs did not have the chips. For that matter, the people at most labs laughed at me for even doing this absurd experiment. I didn't consider it absurd so I dumped them from consideration. If I found a lab without chips and didn't find Millette, I would have asked Kevin Ryan again, and Niels harrit, and Richard gage, and Steven Jones. I also got an email from someone claiming to have more chips for sale, an offer I did not need to take.
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got ya
 
kid meatball said:
He made it very clear in his paper that the reason he reduced the temp was to preserve any thermite that might be bound in the paint. If there was thermite in the paint, and the substance would have ignited, how would he know there was ever thermite in the paint? Iron rich microshperes are not exclusive to thermite.
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?where? in the paper did it say that??
 
Senenmut said:
?where? in the paper did it say that??
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Sorry, I assumed you'd read the paper. There's a link in the OP.

Millette said:
Low-temperature ashing (LTA) is an alternative to using solvents to extract inorganic constituents from an organic film or coating. LTA of the chips of interest was done using an SPI Plasma Prep II plasma asher. LTA was performed for time periods of 30 minutes to 1 hour depending on the size of the chip. The gray layer remained intact and the red layer residue was collected in clean water and drops of the suspension were placed on carbon-film TEM grids.
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Inorganic constituents being things like thermite.
 
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kid meatball said:
Sorry, I assumed you'd read the paper. There's a link in the OP.



Inorganic constituents being things like thermite.
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yeah I read the paper.
u stated-
"He made it very clear in his paper that the reason he reduced the temp was to preserve any thermite that might be bound in the paint. If there was thermite in the paint, and the substance would have ignited, how would he know there was ever thermite in the paint? Iron rich microshperes are not exclusive to thermite."


haha...your reaching, that is why you use LTA to get the inorganic componets. you make ZERO sense with that argument.....
 
Senenmut said:
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yeah I read the paper.

u stated-

"He made it very clear in his paper that the reason he reduced the temp was to preserve any thermite that might be bound in the paint. If there was thermite in the paint, and the substance would have ignited, how would he know there was ever thermite in the paint? Iron rich microshperes are not exclusive to thermite."





haha...your reaching, that is why you use LTA to get the inorganic componets. you make ZERO sense with that argument.....
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I'm not sure I get what you're saying there. Lta is an attempt to preserve inorganic compounds. Thermite is inorganic.
 
Interesting conversation but until someone can explain how a few microns thick coating of an incendiary can facilitate the collapse of a 47 story steel structure, it's all kind of pointless minutia.
 
Porkpie Hat said:
Interesting conversation but until someone can explain how a few microns thick coating of an incendiary can facilitate the collapse of a 47 110 story steel structure, it's all kind of pointless minutia.
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Fixed that for you - the "sooper-dooper nanner termites" argument is most often applied to the Twin Towers because that's where the dust that Harrit et al. sampled came from. WTC7, as my signature indicates, is only a controlled demolition because Truthers wish it to be; they have no nanner termites there to point to as proof.
 
Senenmut said:
it matters because it calls into question of the integrity of the scientist. is it scientific fraud to state you (millette) followed a standard only get busted by a "truther" that you (millette) really did not follow that ASTM standard regarding the temp of the muffle furnace test.
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Would the chips have turned into "thermite" if he did? Were they "thermite" already and he just didn't get them hot enough? Can you explain how this effects the identification of the compound (chip)?

Your argument is why real scientist ignore this.
 
Senenmut said:
haha...your reaching, that is why you use LTA to get the inorganic componets. you make ZERO sense with that argument.....
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Harrit reported that the chips ignited at 430°C. If Millette had ignited them then the inorganic constituents might well have changed through chemical reaction. He stopped just pre-ignition to retain the original composition.

I guess.
 
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thedopefishlives said:
Fixed that for you - the "sooper-dooper nanner termites" argument is most often applied to the Twin Towers because that's where the dust that Harrit et al. sampled came from. WTC7, as my signature indicates, is only a controlled demolition because Truthers wish it to be; they have no nanner termites there to point to as proof.
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Der.

The dust rained down all over lower Manhattan - covering everything with a fine particulate nano termite layer. That's what started the fires in WTC 7!

:jaw-dropp
 
Senenmut said:
we have already gone over this. jones had his chips and millette had his chips. henryco thinks his chips were swapped in the mail. did someone tamper with millettes? some unknown lab guy seemed sure interested in those chips in millettes lab.
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There are no "Millette chips" or "Harrit chips". The paper clearly comes to the conclusion that if ANYONE drags a magnet over a WTC dust pile, all red/gray chips will be thermitic. Provide me proof in the paper that states anything different.

The fact that Millette found different chips proves Harrit's paper wrong.

If Millette did only one test from Harrit's paper and found other chips, that STILL proves Harrit's paper wrong.

If there are different chips that share the same red/gray and magnetic properties, why weren't ALL of the characteristics and test results published showing how they differed?
 
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