Q:
What would you think it should do in order to prove it can communicate with you and tell you what it actually is tisg?
Your answer:
Followed by this:
So far all I've ever heard is the hiss of empty minds as they gibber in fear before the great Abyss.
This tells me that you are expecting something which I have claimed is a larger part of who you think yourself to be, to speak to you through external sources such as, other people.
This is not the case.
I would be surprised if upon setting it up so that you could begin the process of communicating with this aspect of yourself, you only heard the hiss of an empty mind as it gibbered in fear before the great Abyss.
The point being, since it is being approached scientifically, there is that to consider. There will have to be some initial setting up of equipment on your part.
Would it be possible for you to very concisely sum up what you have been trying to say, for my benefit?
I would be happy to have a discussion with you on the matter but I don't have time to crawl through the history of this thread to get a proper understanding of what you are talking about by reading previous posts.
In relation to you rocketdodger it is best if I just proceed as I have been throughout this thread.
Time is a factor for you as you have mentioned. The best I can offer is that if you can spare any of that time to check the thread out from this point on, you will have those answers eventually.
In brief though, the questions as to 'what is consciousness' has been answered in a variety of ways by those contributing to the thread.
♥ Not all the answers appear to be on the same page.
♥My answer is the claim that consciousness can speak for itself as to what it is and given the correct setting this can be scientifically verified by any individual who has the time and inclination to do so.
[I admit that just because I know it works, having done the science myself, does not signify that any other individual who does so will have the same success (in connecting and communicating with the larger aspect of consciousness which we are) but that I am safe to assume that it will, and it is more likely a greater percentage of any who try will succeed but that there may be some whom cannot.]
♥ I have been asked to give examples of the kind of data which has been communicated to me in relation to what consciousness says it is, but have declined because that is not really science because of the hearsay element.
[I do not altogether throw aside the usefulness of hearsay data but in relation to consciousness being able to speak for itself, going through me as a medium is not science and certainly not when there is scientific method and medium which can achieve a better result]
♥ While I could show examples of the devices I use in order to achieve this connection, which show in a measurable way the process unfolding through the data... I am attempting to get on the same page with dlorde who has been consistently contributing his time in the thread and I don;t want to give too much away as I think he has the intelligence to work out ways as to how this can possibly be done.
[I am happy to answer any Q's you have as you present them.]
'measurable device' or 'measuring device'? which is?
Yes sorry about that.
To expand and clarify.
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In order for you and I to communicate as two individuate consciousnesses in this physical domain we require certain devices.
Otherwise we cannot communicate.
♥That we can communicate does not automatically signify we can do so successfully.
♥The closer our personal bias is in regard to one another, the more likely we can get on the same page.
♥Even if only one or two aspects of our bias align, we can effectively use these to built a same page situation.
The hilited signifies what I am referring to in relation to device which can be used to take measurements, in this case related to communication. Certain things are required.
Not really; I'm well aware of my 'larger self', I've spent a lot of time on it in the last few years. However, it doesn't communicate with me in the way you describe.
What device have you used? I get the impression you are aware of its existence and even that you can explain it from your subjective experiences so far with it, but that those explanations did not come directly from the horses mouth (so to speak). They are hearsay, second hand even perhaps in some case just guesswork and principally why I wouldn't even ask you for examples or feel the need to consider such explanations to be accurate.
OK...
The diagrams i have given should not be considered anything more than metaphor.
I used color in order to give a sense of the initial encounters - but they can also confuse so disregard them.
Here is a better metaphor diagram:
The white lines are symbolic of the 'wall' between the smaller aspects of known SI and the larger. The ‘wall’ is whatever the smaller aspect has which resists any extra knowledge regarding itself due to the personal bias of smaller aspect of consciousness.
The ‘wall’ doesn’t exist in relation to larger aspect which has full access to all data experienced by smaller aspect. [24/7]
As the communication process develops and the larger aspect explored and understood for what it is, the ‘wall’ dissipates.
If what you described is any guide, I would expect to have the sense of an entity that can speak for itself, and I would expect it to communicate with me in a way that gave that impression.
Yes. That is a good scientific and reasonable expectation, assuming you are not speaking about expecting it to somehow make itself known through some outside medium, such as expecting it could call you on the phone.
What would your first questions most likely be, should such device be made available in which the communication process could proceed?
