Merged Ukraine erupts in riots and general strike.

[Childlike Empress]

Looks like RT has put a hefty amount of spin on that leaked conversation.

Only if you are unable to perform such simple tasks as to differentiate between the words of RT and those of the foreign minister of Estonia.

 

[Childlike Empress]

In this CNN interview from 20.2. Mrs. Bogomolets says that she treated Berkut officers as well, directly contradicting what the Telegraph claims she says now (this is the kind of video that tends to disappear so I downloaded it ). I wouldn't be surprised if the Telegraph is making it up, but I guess I don't have much company accepting this possibility so I'd say her denial of the most controversial claims is to protect herself. She's on the ground and potentially in danger from this leak.

 

[halleyscomet]

Anxious days

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints reported that due to civil unrest, 23 missionaries serving in the Ukraine Dnepropetrovsk Mission have been removed from the Crimean peninsula and transferred to other areas within the mission as a precautionary measure.... circumstances may delay new missionaries from entering Ukraine. The Kyiv Ukraine Temple remains open to patrons."
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-statement-missionaries-ukraine

It is a pragmatic and wise decision but reflects a feeble faith in God.

 

[Checkmite]

Interestingly, some Crimeans - who are in such danger from gremlins that they need protection from Russian troops, mind - managed to threaten the UN envoy with weapons and briefly detained him before he eventually was allowed to leave while a gathering crowd around his vehicle chanted "Russia".

 

[spin0]

Only if you are unable to perform such simple tasks as to differentiate between the words of RT and those of the foreign minister of Estonia.

RT claims: "Urmas Paet said that snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were hired by Maidan leaders."

He didn't actually say that.

Also, once again RT is showing the same video of protesters with an air gun as "snipers".

 

[Childlike Empress]

RT claims: "Urmas Paet said that snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were hired by Maidan leaders."

He didn't actually say that.

Also, once again RT is showing the same video of protesters with an air gun as "snipers".

He said "There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition" as you can hear in the phone conversation yourself. Which was NOT published by RT. So your claim that Bogomolets' statement as reported by Telegraph "looks like RT has put a hefty amount of spin on that leaked conversation" is completely bogus because what she contradicted was what Paet said.

btw, it's hilarious to see that your urge to spin is so strong that you even fail to mention the news the new RT article you linked to is about: Paet confirmed that the leaked phone conversation is authentic.

 

[trustbutverify]

Makes sense since RT isn't actually a news agency, nor does it investigate anything.

 

[dudalb]

Any estimate for when the US will finally lose their superpower status? And do you think the world will be improved when they do?

I think those who root for the US to lose it superpower status and be replaced as the world'd main power by China and Russia will be in for a real shock when it happens. That Russia and CHina are BOTH Authortarians countries with damn little respect for Human Rights seems to pass these clowns by.

 

[spin0]

In this CNN interview from 20.2. Mrs. Bogomolets says that she treated Berkut officers as well,

The link is not to a CNN video. It links to a youtube video compiled and edited by a youtube user. Please provide the original source.

directly contradicting what the Telegraph claims she says now

I'm quite sure that during the Maidan she has also treated berkut officers. But in the context of sniper victims the question is not whether she treated berkut officers in general but more specifically whether she treated berkuts with gunshot wounds. She says not as she had no access to them.

 

[trustbutverify]

I think those who root for the US to lose it superpower status and be replaced as the world'd main power by China and Russia will be in for a real shock when it happens. That Russia and CHina are BOTH Authortarians countries with damn little respect for Human Rights seems to pass these clowns by.

Honestly, I'm not sure those praying for the downfall of thegreatsatan are particularly interested in human rights.

 

[Childlike Empress]

The link is not to a CNN video. It links to a youtube video compiled and edited by a youtube user. Please provide the original source.

Oops, thanks for catching that. Wrong link in clipboard apparently. What I pasted was the leaked phone conversation you obviously didn't listen to. Please do so. One should always start with primary sources. It's published on a fresh youtube channel of one "Michael Bergman". For convenience (some not nice pictures of the victims as illustration, so maybe NFSW):


I updated the post above with the correct link.

 

[spin0]

btw, it's hilarious to see that your urge to spin is so strong that you even fail to mention the news the new RT article you linked to is about: Paet confirmed that the leaked phone conversation is authentic.

I only demonstrated how RT put their spin on that article by putting words into Paet's mouth, and that it's actually you "unable to perform such simple tasks as to differentiate between the words of RT and those of the foreign minister of Estonia."

It's very simple: nowhere Urmas Paet said that "snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were hired by Maidan leaders." Nowhere. It's just RT that said it. Their words.

 

[Childlike Empress]

It's very simple: nowhere Urmas Paet said that "snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were hired by Maidan leaders." Nowhere. It's just RT that said it. Their words.

While in reality he said "There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition" And? Are there quotation marks around what you quoted in the RT article? And even if - way to distract from the important points.

Not. May I remind the audience of the context I put this conversation into in my post from this afternoon. The interior minister is as of yesterday leading a "very serious investigation" into a "third force" responsible for the escalation and high numbers of deaths on both sides. He hints at "not Ukrainian" forces while Paet told Ashton that he thinks the evidence leads to the interior minister's buddies. This coming after there have been indications of a third force involved since shortly after the events, even detectable by layman investigators, on the ground or even from videos, and complaints that the wonderful new government refuses to investigate, complaints echoed by Paet/his sources..

 

[spin0]

In this CNN interview from 20.2. Mrs. Bogomolets says that she treated Berkut officers as well, directly contradicting what the Telegraph claims she says now

Okay, now that you fixed the link.

I'm quite sure that during the Maidan she has also treated berkut officers, and she also says so in the CNN clip. But in the context of sniper victims the question is not whether she treated berkut officers in general but more specifically whether she treated berkuts with gunshot wounds. In Telegraph article she says not as she had no access to those, and her CNN interview does not contradict that.

 

[spin0]

Paet Says Leaked Call is Real, Disputes Context

n the audio, Paet is heard expressing concern to Ashton, the European Commission's High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, that Ukraine's weak interim government could be discredited by enemies due to the leaders' failure to investigate various inconsistencies and some on-the-ground accounts that suggest some snipers shot both police and protesters in the late February violence in Kyiv's Maidan square.

He said there have been altered versions of the recording, aimed at discrediting the new Ukrainian government: “I ask journalists to be extremely cautious with that recording - (in the recording) I was talking about which versions of events were doing rounds in Ukraine.”

“I was not making judgements. I was only expressing concern that if the rumors take on a life of their own, it could harm the situation in Ukraine.”

Some media reports suggested that the officials themselves believed the snipers might have actually been commissioned in a conspiracy by the newly formed government coalition, a possibility that did not appear to be borne out by the recording.

RT, or Russia Today, a BBC-style news service run by the Kremlin and carried to more than 100 countries, said in its breaking news coverage today that “a leaked phone call reveals the same snipers were shooting at both police and protestors in Kiev.”

 

[spin0]

Aaaand contrary to claims by RT and other Russian media the Ukraine’s Navy flagship, the Hetman Sahaidachny frigate, has not raised a Russian flag and defected to Russia.

Here she is passing through the Bosporus and entering the Black Sea under Ukrainian flag:

Xinhua: Ukraine warship backs to Black Sea
Navaltoday: Hetman Sahaydachny Enters Black Sea

 

[TheRealnz]

Ukrainian snipers shoot their own protesters and Police?

So they were supposedly shooting cops and their own protesters in this leaked phone call. Backing neo-nazis was only going to go so far!

I can't post links yet but RT has a article on this on their main page.

 

[spin0]

Russia Wags The Dog With Ukraine Disinformation Campaign

"The whole premise for the Federation Council's agreement to give its authorization for the use of force and the whole premise being put forth in the UN by Ambassador Churkin is that they have to intervene to save and protect ethnic Russians and Russian speakers, who they fear are in danger," she explains. "But they have based this whole premise on false contentions about attacks."

In his comments at the United Nations, Churkin also cited an alleged attack on the famous Monastery of the Caves in Kyiv that was widely reported in the Russian media. The monastery has said no such attack took place, and Fitzpatrick was "stunned" to hear Churkin citing the debunked report.

Russian media also widely reported that more than 650,000 Ukrainians have crossed out of southeastern Ukraine into Russia since the beginning of the year. However, the UN's High Commissioner on Refugees says it has seen no evidence of unusual migration on the border.
...
Other stories have a basis in fact, but are unjustifiably spun by Russian media accounts. For instance, on the night of February 27-28, unknown vandals defaced a synagogue in Simferopol.

Russian media blankly reported this as an anti-Semitic attack by the ultranationalist Right Sector group, although Right Sector denied it and the local Jewish community leader Oleksandr Hendin told RFE/RL: "I don't think it was Right Sector. I think someone did this using their logo in order to destabilize Crimea."

Ukraine's chief rabbi, Yakov Dov Bleich, said on March 4 that the main threat to Ukrainian Jews was "provocations" staged by Russia, saying its "the same way the Nazis did when they wanted to go into Austria and [they] created provocations."

Ukrainian journalist Oleh Shynkarenko, who has written about the efforts of Russia's "propaganda machine" for TheDailyBeast.com, tells RFE/RL that the campaign has two main purposes: "to provoke hatred toward Ukrainians to make Russia go to war with us" and to produce "justification for aggression," such as that presented to the UN by Churkin.

 

[spin0]

We're already discussing this with relevant links posted in the thread: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269584

 

[dudalb]

First of what will be no doubt many crackpot conspiracy theories about the Ukraine crisis.