The prophecies of Ama

[Akhenaten]

This sounds like someone's excuse for having an out-of-wedlock baby (although in general I don't think this is as much of a stigma as it used to be). "No, seriously, my fiancé and I didn't have sex until our honeymoon! The baby is just REALLY early!"

Heh heh. I'd never have thought of that, but it seems so obvious now that you've pointed it out.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

I've had a thought. If the Philippines are the chosen perfect center of the universe why does PC choose not to live there? #1597

The spirit of Ama did not say that the Philippines is “the chosen perfect center of the universe”. It was Jesus who said in Matthew 21:42-44 that He is taking the kingdom of God from the Jews, “and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” That nation is the Philippines that is why even though it will be occupied by the Chinese for a few years, China will leave it and it will never to be occupied forevermore.

Ama mentioned that I am not in the Philippines but later, maybe, I would be back and live there. I do not know when.

 

[pakeha]

Matthew 21:42-44
King James Version (KJV)

42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Where is the Philippines is mentioned in this text?

 

[FluffyPersian]

The spirit of Ama did not say that the Philippines is “the chosen perfect center of the universe”. It was Jesus who said in Matthew 21:42-44 that He is taking the kingdom of God from the Jews, “and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” That nation is the Philippines that is why even though it will be occupied by the Chinese for a few years, China will leave it and it will never to be occupied forevermore.

When did the Philippines belong to the Jews? Or are you saying that Jesus said "the Jews," but he really meant "the Chinese."

I really think this is in Stundie territory.

 

[Akhenaten]

The spirit of Ama did not say that the Philippines is “the chosen perfect center of the universe”.

The spirit of Ama has never said anything. It's you and Alvaran that spout all the nonsense.

It was Jesus who said in Matthew 21:42-44 that He is taking the kingdom of God from the Jews, “and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”

No, it was the author of Matthew who said that, as part of the anti-Jewish propaganda that underlies most of the New Testament.

That nation is the Philippines . . .

Isis wept. Where did you get that rubbish from?

. . . that is why even though it will be occupied by the Chinese for a few years, China will leave it and it will never to be occupied forevermore.

I dread to ask, but where are all the Filipinos going to live?

Ama mentioned that I am not in the Philippines but later, maybe, I would be back and live there.

Was this during a chat on Skype, or what?

I do not know when.

That's because your calendar is borked.

 

[Hungry81]

That was yesterday's news when Zeus killed Cronus.

C'mon, PC, we want a prophesy, not Ama channelling Joseph Campbell or translating TV Tropes into Tagalog one page at a time.

Even he was just maintaining family tradition, Cronos attacked and castrated his father ouranos (sp?)

 

[Astreja]

Even he was just maintaining family tradition, Cronos attacked and castrated his father ouranos (sp?)

As I said, yesterday's news. And yes, it was Ouranos (or Οὐρανός, if one wants to get picky about it.)

 

[halleyscomet]

Matthew 21:42-44

King James Version (KJV)





Where is the Philippines is mentioned in this text?

PC appears to be ascribing to a version of the Christian Identity movement where the holy land is really the Philippines. That would explain why none of his claims about history have a basis in reality. He's not referencing Roman history but applying Roman names to legends from the Philippines.

 

[Alice Shortcake]

PC appears to be ascribing to a version of the Christian Identity movement where the holy land is really the Philippines. That would explain why none of his claims about history have a basis in reality. He's not referencing Roman history but applying Roman names to legends from the Philippines.

Holy Space Toads...just when you thought you'd reached the bottom of the rabbit hole PC clobbers us with a new brand of lunacy.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Matthew 21:42-44
King James Version (KJV)


Where is the Philippines is mentioned in this text? #1603

Thank you, pakeha, for publishing the verses that I mentioned.

Where is the name Philippines in the quoted text? It is not explicitly mentioned there but FYI, the nation referred to there is the Philippines. Here are the reasons:
1. The spirit of Ama uses a blind woman, Maria Liwayway Alvaran or Ka Apaz, to speak to the listeners, tape recorded, in the Filipino language understood mainly by Filipinos.
2. Jesus created Pontius Pilate when He was twelve years old who looked exactly like Him. He used a kind of clay to make pots and jars called in Filipino as “pila”, thus the name Pilato was derived from “pila ito” or “this is pila”. There is a town in the province of Laguna, Philippines called Pila.
3. The tree in Genesis that God forbids the fruit to be eaten is usually portrayed as an apple tree which in Filipino is called “mansanas”. “Mansanas”, according to Ama, means “mantsa na” or sin or stain.
4. In 2011-09, someone said that the word “Filipino” is foreboding--“pili na, pino pa” (“chosen, finely”). Powder is fine, thus it says in Matthew 21:44, “it will grind him to powder.”
5. The Filipinos are in different parts of the world, as immigrants or as Overseas Filipino Workers (OFWs). They can express the revelations of Ama since they understand the language and can translate these to their host countries.

In Genesis 12:1-3, the true God said to Abram (later Abraham) that he will make him a great nation, etc. What is the name that God gave this great nation? No one knew until they became the descendants of Jacob or Israel. And this happened centuries later. Because their God is a living God and can see the future.

 

[hurdygurdy]

3. The tree in Genesis that God forbids the fruit to be eaten is usually portrayed as an apple tree which in Filipino is called “mansanas”. “Mansanas”, according to Ama, means “mantsa na” or sin or stain.

Please tell to the ignorant Maria Alvaran that the Filipino "mansanas" is derived from the Spanish "manzana", which means "apple".

 

[Alice Shortcake]

3. The tree in Genesis that God forbids the fruit to be eaten is usually portrayed as an apple tree which in Filipino is called “mansanas”. “Mansanas”, according to Ama, means “mantsa na” or sin or stain.

Nowhere in Genesis is the tree explicitly referred to as an apple tree.

PC, did you follow my link to the Wikipedia article on Jacobus de Voragine's Golden Legend, which seems to be the ultimate source of many stories related in the Pasiong Mahal? In case you didn't, here's what it says about "fanciful etymology" - misinterpreting the meaning of words:

The book sought to compile traditional lore about all of the saints venerated at the time of its compilation. Jacobus de Voragine typically begins with an (often fanciful) etymology for the saint's name. An example (in Caxton's translation) shows his method:

Silvester is said of sile or sol which is light, and of terra the earth, as who saith the light of the earth, that is of the church. Or Silvester is said of silvas and of trahens, that is to say he was drawing wild men and hard unto the faith. Or as it is said in glossario, Silvester is to say green, that is to wit, green in contemplation of heavenly things, and a toiler in labouring himself; he was umbrous or shadowous. That is to say he was cold and refrigate from all concupiscence of the flesh, full of boughs among the trees of heaven.[6]
As a Latin author, Jacobus de Voragine must have known that Silvester, a relatively common Latin name, simply meant "from the forest". The correct derivation is alluded to in the text, but set out in parallel to fanciful ones that lexicographers would consider quite wide of the mark. Even the "correct" explanations (silvas, "forest", and the mention of green boughs) are used as the basis for an allegorical interpretation. Jacobus de Voragine's etymologies had different goals from modern etymologies, and cannot be judged by the same standards. Jacobus de Voragine's etymologies have parallels in Isidore of Seville's Etymologiae, in which linguistically accurate derivations are set out beside allegorical and figurative explanations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Legend

This is exactly what you and Ka Apaz are doing.

 

[halleyscomet]

Holy Space Toads...just when you thought you'd reached the bottom of the rabbit hole PC clobbers us with a new brand of lunacy.

And with his next post, PC confirmed my theory. His religion moves the events of the holy land to the Philippines for much the same reason John Smith moved the Garden of Eden to Missouri. It's easier to convert people if your theology elevates them somehow. This is why arguing with PC about dates and evidence is pointless, because he shifts between the local legends and a mangled version of the Gospel story with the ease of someone recounting the life of Paul Bunion.

In some ways this harkens back to older forms of theology. It wasn't necessary for the early Christians, even Paul, to consider the life of Christ to be literal historical events. They were "true" theologically. Hardcore arguments about Comic Book cannon are probably a better comparison to how ancients saw their mythology than a history book. In this context, PC isn't trying to reconcile reality with mythology, because such reconciliation isn't necessary. The mythology is self contained and arguments are made from its internal consistency, not adherence to an outside measure or standard.

 

[Mojo]

Because their God is a living God and can see the future.

How very unlike Ama.

 

[pakeha]

PC, I've heard about the dreadful earthquake in the Philippines.
My best wishes go out to all and please let us know your friends and family are safe and well.

 

[pakeha]

Thank you, pakeha, for publishing the verses that I mentioned.

Where is the name Philippines in the quoted text? It is not explicitly mentioned there but FYI, the nation referred to there is the Philippines. Here are the reasons:
1. The spirit of Ama uses a blind woman, Maria Liwayway Alvaran or Ka Apaz, to speak to the listeners, tape recorded, in the Filipino language understood mainly by Filipinos.
2. Jesus created Pontius Pilate when He was twelve years old who looked exactly like Him. He used a kind of clay to make pots and jars called in Filipino as “pila”, thus the name Pilato was derived from “pila ito” or “this is pila”. There is a town in the province of Laguna, Philippines called Pila.
3. The tree in Genesis that God forbids the fruit to be eaten is usually portrayed as an apple tree which in Filipino is called “mansanas”. “Mansanas”, according to Ama, means “mantsa na” or sin or stain.
4. In 2011-09, someone said that the word “Filipino” is foreboding--“pili na, pino pa” (“chosen, finely”). Powder is fine, thus it says in Matthew 21:44, “it will grind him to powder.”
5. The Filipinos are in different parts of the world, as immigrants or as Overseas Filipino Workers (OFWs). They can express the revelations of Ama since they understand the language and can translate these to their host countries.

In Genesis 12:1-3, the true God said to Abram (later Abraham) that he will make him a great nation, etc. What is the name that God gave this great nation? No one knew until they became the descendants of Jacob or Israel. And this happened centuries later. Because their God is a living God and can see the future.

PC, we know the etymology of mansanas.
Remember? I posted it up for over a year ago.
We know the etymology of Pilate and of the Philippines.

Maria Liwayway Alvaran is simply repeating things she must have learnt as an apprentice medium.

 

[Rincewind]

This sounds like someone's excuse for having an out-of-wedlock baby (although in general I don't think this is as much of a stigma as it used to be). "No, seriously, my fiancé and I didn't have sex until our honeymoon! The baby is just REALLY early!"

Ah - you beat me to it. In fact I have a cousin who got married, then produced a fine baby boy without the normal waiting time.

She claimed it was due to modern medicines!

 

[Alareth]

someone recounting the life of Paul Bunion.

I don't know who that is, but his life sounds painful.

Now Paul Bunyan is a right good classic yarn.

 

[Astreja]

5. The Filipinos are in different parts of the world, as immigrants or as Overseas Filipino Workers (OFWs). They can express the revelations of Ama since they understand the language and can translate these to their host countries.

Well, the Filipino community in this city hasn't said a single word to the general public about "Ama." This might be because none of the Pinoy of My acquaintance are followers of Maria Alvaran. As far as I can tell from the people milling outside various churches on Sunday morning, most of them belong to the RCC or to various evangelical Christian churches.

Furthermore, the North American public is not welcoming of total strangers preaching at them. This is what would transpire if one of Ama's Witlesses™ made the mistake of coming to My house:

*ding dong*

"Good morning; I'm fr--"

"What are you selling?"

"I'm not sell--"

"*giggle* *snork* Is that the Passionfruit Mahjong? Trade you for these. (hands over a large box of books including The Demon-Haunted World, You Are Not So Smart, and The New Prophesies of Ama, plus an old Reader's Digest and a flyer from a local pizzeria) Come back when you've read them. Oh, and you can take these razzafracking draft stoppers and duct tape, too. *pile pile pile* *slam*

Sorry, PC, but if the medium is the message, your message is pushin' up the daisies in a cow pasture somewhere.

 

[Ladewig]

And with his next post, PC confirmed my theory. His religion moves the events of the holy land to the Philippines for much the same reason John Smith moved the Garden of Eden to Missouri. It's easier to convert people if your theology elevates them somehow. This is why arguing with PC about dates and evidence is pointless, because he shifts between the local legends and a mangled version of the Gospel story with the ease of someone recounting the life of Paul Bunion.

In some ways this harkens back to older forms of theology. It wasn't necessary for the early Christians, even Paul, to consider the life of Christ to be literal historical events. They were "true" theologically. Hardcore arguments about Comic Book cannon are probably a better comparison to how ancients saw their mythology than a history book. In this context, PC isn't trying to reconcile reality with mythology, because such reconciliation isn't necessary. The mythology is self contained and arguments are made from its internal consistency, not adherence to an outside measure or standard.

Thank you.
I was trying to get a better handle on the claims.