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WTC Dust Study Feb 29, 2012 by Dr. James Millette

Even better, the same Dr. Harrit who was asked today if he found paint chips in the dust or just thermite. His answer:

There are many other red particles of dust from the WTC. But they are not attracted by a magnet.

Essentially stating that the only particles picked up by the magnet were thermitic. How has MM been corresponding with Harrit about Millette's study and failed to mention Millettes particles were also attracted to a magnet. Millette followed Harrits isolation method exactly but Harrit has claimed in the past and also today that only thermitic chips can be isolated with a magnet.

I wonder if Harrit also believes Millette studied the wrong chips?
 
Niels Harrit's refusal to comment on Millette's report is baffling. Especially because he has repeatedly complained that no one has responded to his paper. Millette's paper is a public response by a major scientist. Steven Jones has repeatedly commented on Millette. Harrit's stand is a mystery to me.
 
Niels Harrit's refusal to comment on Millette's report is baffling. Especially because he has repeatedly complained that no one has responded to his paper. Millette's paper is a public response by a major scientist. Steven Jones has repeatedly commented on Millette. Harrit's stand is a mystery to me.

He's embarrassed, and pretending it never happened. He, like Gage, have no other source off income other than that which they fleece from the ignorant or mentally ill.
 
I'm probably baffled because I foolishly assume good intentions from everyone.
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There hope for you yet Chris. ;)


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You appear to enjoy demonstrating that.



Since, "is it published" (meaning the published 2012 report) is what Dr. Harrit was referring to, and "is he published" (means has Dr. Millette ever been published) have two distinctly different meanings, the distinction makes a great deal of difference.



It shows that Dr. Harrit, like the rest of us, is waiting for Dr. Millette to put up or shut up.

MM

The funniest thing is, you have endlessly commented on Millette's work and repeatedly lied :D

You are a fine example of the truth movement :)
 
Niels Harrit's refusal to comment on Millette's report is baffling. Especially because he has repeatedly complained that no one has responded to his paper. Millette's paper is a public response by a major scientist. Steven Jones has repeatedly commented on Millette. Harrit's stand is a mystery to me.


I have been keeping an eye on almost every public debate Harrit has participated in for the past many years, and have myself debated with Harrit on several occasions.

You should not be baffled, Harrit is VERY narrowminded, it simply goes against his nature to admit any wrongdoing on his behalf. He would rather go to the absurd in defending a clearly wrong argument, than admit it to be wrong.

As the chat showed last night, he either avoid answering the harder questions or evade by asking counter questions or simply answer in a completly different direction, than the question asked.

Usually when he enters into a debate it will only go as far as someone really pointing out to him that his claims are wrong, then he will excuse himself saying that he does not have the time for such debates.

Harrits strength is public debates one on one without documentation. On the other hand he usually loses written debates where points can be documented.
 
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"Niels Harrit's refusal to comment on Millette's report is baffling.

Especially because he has repeatedly complained that no one has responded to his paper.

Millette's paper is a public response by a major scientist.

Steven Jones has repeatedly commented on Millette.

Harrit's stand is a mystery to me."

"I'm probably baffled because I foolishly assume good intentions from everyone."

What is baffling intentional is your selective memory.

Dr. Harrit and other scientists [Dr. Jones as you point out], who authored the 2009 Bentham paper have made many public comments which directly and indirectly relate to Millette's unpublished research.

What Dr. Harrit has said he will not do is publish a direct response to Millette's research until Millette actually publishes his own research.

This is no mystery.

The mystery, if there ever was one, is Millette's continued stone walling. He is certainly not the man you portrayed, following the evidence wherever it may lead.

He is a man who has done nothing but lead the evidence to the brink of where he did not want to venture.

In this forum, only a fool assumes good intentions from everyone.

And you are no exception.

MM
 
Harrit is a senile crackpot.
Is there really any need for this sort of thing? It's so predictable as well. Anyone over the age of 60 and people say 'senile' - it happened on the thread I started about Richard Humenn's AE911Truth interview. If you're joking then I question whether senility is something to joke about.

Sorry, don't mean to derail but as I say I've noticed it before on here and it's depressing.
 
Is there really any need for this sort of thing? It's so predictable as well. Anyone over the age of 60 and people say 'senile' - it happened on the thread I started about Richard Humenn's AE911Truth interview. If you're joking then I question whether senility is something to joke about.

Sorry, don't mean to derail but as I say I've noticed it before on here and it's depressing.

To be honest, I don't think he is Joking. If you waste an hour or so of you life watching the Harrit interview on the other thread you will see what he is talking about.

If you do watch it? Perhaps you could offer your view.
 
Is there really any need for this sort of thing? It's so predictable as well. Anyone over the age of 60 and people say 'senile' - it happened on the thread I started about Richard Humenn's AE911Truth interview. If you're joking then I question whether senility is something to joke about.

Sorry, don't mean to derail but as I say I've noticed it before on here and it's depressing.

I'm not talking about 'anyone' over 60. I'm taking about Harrit.
 
Is there really any need for this sort of thing? It's so predictable as well. Anyone over the age of 60 and people say 'senile' - it happened on the thread I started about Richard Humenn's AE911Truth interview. If you're joking then I question whether senility is something to joke about.

Sorry, don't mean to derail but as I say I've noticed it before on here and it's depressing.
Seems the guys you are talking about are old, are nuts, and act senile - specific people.

It is depressing to see an old person like Harrit go nuts, is this our fate for old people. (no)
Harrit is unable to be rational, he makes up lies, does fake conclusions in a vanity paper, and makes old people look nuts; we don't need this much help.

Humenn is nuts too, or a liar. You pick. You keep posting idiotic claptrap from nuts in 911 truth as if they had something worthwhile after 12 years of solid failure from 911 truth. You post as if you are fooled by false claims. Thermite is a big lie made up by old failed men - what can we do to avoid their fate?

Millette stuck with science, made no opinion based BS claims, and we have 911 truth followers fighting science with opinions and talk based on a fake thermite paper, and no evidence of thermite damage to any steel at the WTC. What is your next thread of a failed 911 truth "expert"?
 
What is baffling intentional is your selective memory.

Dr. Harrit and other scientists [Dr. Jones as you point out], who authored the 2009 Bentham paper have made many public comments which directly and indirectly relate to Millette's unpublished research.

What Dr. Harrit has said he will not do is publish a direct response to Millette's research until Millette actually publishes his own research.

This is no mystery.

The mystery, if there ever was one, is Millette's continued stone walling. He is certainly not the man you portrayed, following the evidence wherever it may lead.

He is a man who has done nothing but lead the evidence to the brink of where he did not want to venture.

In this forum, only a fool assumes good intentions from everyone.

And you are no exception.

MM

Hey, you trusted him with your money. I didn't. I get why you're mad that you don't feel like you got your money's worth, as an investor.

Chris, is there any way you could talk to Jim Millette to see if you could remind him of the fact that investors on both sides have paid for results AND publication, and that so far they've only gotten half of what they paid for?
 
Hey, you trusted him with your money. I didn't. I get why you're mad that you don't feel like you got your money's worth, as an investor.

Chris, is there any way you could talk to Jim Millette to see if you could remind him of the fact that investors on both sides have paid for results AND publication, and that so far they've only gotten half of what they paid for?
Absolutely not. We never paid for a peer-reviewed publication. We paid him to answer the question, "Is there thermite in the dust?" His answer, an unequivocal no.

He told me he wanted to publish a peer-reviewed paper, but that was a bonus. It was never part of our agreement, ever.

He thought he was nearing semi-retirement, then his business got busier than ever. Plus, he had an employee who was into this whole WTC dust thing. They worked together when they had spare time. When that person left the firm, his new employees never took an interest in working on this with him. He looked for an intern and never could find one to help him on this. He did a national search for real LaClede primer, asking forensics colleagues who had collections of thousands of paint samples, not one had any LaClede primer. I helped him, even found a piece of 9/11 debris that probably had LaClede on it in Massachussetts, and the firefighters who used it for a 9/11 memorial said No Way would they let us desecrate their memorial by scraping off the primer.

Millette did not want to make an assertion about what exact kind of paint it was he found in the chips until he had a known sample he could compare it against. He's conservative that way.

Millette went forward even after Kevin Ryan refused to release any of the chips Ryan said were thermitic. I told Kevin the next thing that woiuld happen would be the "wrong chips" argument and I was right. If Millette ever publishes, Harrit will just say what Jones says, "wrong chips nyah nyah," and nothing will change. My upcoming video will deal with this issue more and clear up some of the obfuscation.

Millette did way more than $1000 worth of work for us already. If he ever publishes, fine, but we have the information we need. Harrit just won't talk about it and hides behind the "peer review" excuse, which is all it is. Don't think for a second that Millette's publishing or not publishing will make a bit of difference. He hasn't published and that's just a convenient excuse for Harrit to ignore the excellent science that refutes the 2009 paper. Ozeco41 has asked me "When will you draw your line in the sand?" I'm finished chasing 9/11 CD claims. Every one of them is a dead end.
 
3 posts have ben sent to AAH. There's really no reason to be discussing a specific member, especially if he or she isn't actually taking part in the discussion. If you would like to nominate someone for a debate, please do so by PM to the member.
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"Absolutely not.

We never paid for a peer-reviewed publication.

We paid him to answer the question, "Is there thermite in the dust?" His answer, an unequivocal no.

He told me he wanted to publish a peer-reviewed paper, but that was a bonus. It was never part of our agreement, ever."

"Niels Harrit's refusal to comment on Millette's report is baffling.

Especially because he has repeatedly complained that no one has responded to his paper.

Millette's paper is a public response by a major scientist.

Steven Jones has repeatedly commented on Millette.

Harrit's stand is a mystery to me."

"I'm probably baffled because I foolishly assume good intentions from everyone."

Not baffling in the least.

It is not a normal expectation for reputable scientists to publish additional peer-reviewed papers in response to unpublished research.

For two years, you dangled the belief that Millette was definitely going to have his research published. At no time did you equivocate and say it was not part of the original plan so don't expect it to happen.

"...Millette did not want to make an assertion about what exact kind of paint it was he found in the chips until he had a known sample he could compare it against. He's conservative that way."

No, it is not being conservative. It is is being scientifically correct.

What you ignore here is that; on one hand, you embrace the reliability of Millette's methodology regarding his finding that the 9/11 WTC dust red chips highlighted in 2009 Bentham paper had to be steel primer paint, but, using the same reliable methodology, Millette totally rejected the possibility of this steel primer paint being a match for the LeClede formulation supported by Oystein and Kminek and and that he could not match to the 130 Tnemec steel primer paints listed. Your other supposed expert and anonymous JREF consultant Sunstealer, claims the red chips are Tnemec steel primer paint.

To make matters worse, semi-retired or not, with a helper or not, Millette has all the tools necessary to quickly heat test his finished samples at a higher +30C and put the matter to bed. A job that could be done over a coffee break.

He has no legitimate excuse for not performing this test other than it resulting in a finding that shows the "emperor has no clothes."

"Millette went forward even after Kevin Ryan refused to release any of the chips Ryan said were thermitic. I told Kevin the next thing that woiuld happen would be the "wrong chips" argument and I was right. If Millette ever publishes, Harrit will just say what Jones says, "wrong chips nyah nyah," and nothing will change. My upcoming video will deal with this issue more and clear up some of the obfuscation."

Your upcoming video will just be a bland and deadly dull rehash of everything you have already said in this forum.

Kevin Ryan did not have to give Millette any chips since Millette had his own source of 9/11 WTC dust. By using his own samples with his own verified 'trail of custody', Millette could not later argue that Kevin Ryan gave him bogus samples.

It was necessary that Millette be 'trusted', in order to avoid any argument that 9/11 truthers had corrupted his results.

Fortunately, the current research by chemist Mark Basile will address the outstanding issues that you and Millette refuse to investigate.

"...If he [Millette] ever publishes, fine, but we have the information we need want.

Harrit just won't talk about it and hides behind the "peer review" excuse, which is all it is.

Don't think for a second that Millette's publishing or not publishing will make a bit of difference.

He hasn't published and that's just a convenient excuse for Harrit to ignore the excellent science that refutes the 2009 paper.

Ozeco41 has asked me "When will you draw your line in the sand?"

I'm finished chasing 9/11 CD claims.

Every one of them is a dead end.

A chase usually involves an observable pursuit.

A whitewash just requires a claim that a pursuit was attempted.

Your whitewash and unscientific opinions are duly noted Chris.

MM
 
Keep up the good work Chris

The more upset MM gets is a good indication you are doing a good job.
 
MM and others,

I want to back off from my prediction that if Millette ever surprises us with a peer-reviewed journal, that Harrit would just jump on the "wrong chips" bandwagon. I hate being told in advance that something I am about to do (like my upcoming video) will be a boring rehash of stuff I've already said (MM you will soon eat those words). Predicting behavior of individuals is insulting and unscientific. So I apologize for my mean-spirited prediction of what Harrit would do. I don't know what he would do. A more fair statement would be that I no longer assume he or anyone else has good intentions.

I am also sorry for leaving the impression that Millette was definitely going to do a peer-reviewed published piece on the chips. I stand by my statement that I never hired Millette to go all the way to peer-review. He did what I hired him to do, and did a great job of it. I got overly excited when he told me he wanted to take it two further steps and present it at multiple forensics conferences and then publish it peer-reviewed. Well, he took it one further step, gave it two major presentations in front of hundreds of people who gave it a 100% thumbs-up. Even that is way more than I hired him to do, and adds a huge amount of credibility to his conclusion of NO THERMITE. But again, my apologies for leaving the impression that a peer-reviewed paper was promised. It was intended, and everything seemed to go wrong as Millette tried to take that final big step he wanted to take.

MM BTW which is it? On the one hand you want Millette to cook his chips during a coffee break, and on the other hand you don't think that anything short of full pewer-review merits response. Ya can't have it both ways. If he cooked up the chips like you ask and the results didn't fit your beliefs, would you accept his results?

And also BTW, of COURSE Kevin Ryan didn't have to give over chips he thought were thermitic to Millette. It just weakens the Jones/Harrit/Ryan position that Millette found the wrong chips. In my opinion, Basile's upcoming study is also greatly weakened by the fact that he would not communicate with me or anyone else about develoiping a pprotocol we could all buy into. He didn't have to talk with me, but his refusal to talk with me only weakens his credibility in my mind and in the minds of many of us here. I am very bitterly disappointed about the lack of communication and unwillingness to work together that Basile, Ryan and others have shown.

When you say, "using the same reliable methodology, Millette totally rejected the possibility of this steel primer paint being a match for the LeClede formulation supported by Oystein and Kminek and and that he could not match to the 130 Tnemec steel primer paints listed. Your other supposed expert and anonymous JREF consultant Sunstealer, claims the red chips are Tnemec steel primer paint," you're wrong wrong wrong and wrong. Millette does not reject the possibility of his chips being LaClede; he is too conservative to proclaim that it is LaClede until he gets a verifiable sample to directly compare. Big difference. And I'm 99% certain Sunstealer no longer believes that the paint is tenemec. But you totally ignore the major point, that both Sunstealer (back in 2009) and Millette (in 2012) unequivocally say that the red-grey chips are definitely NOT THERMITE. At least Jones has responded to the Millette paper; Harrit is using the peer-review excuse... and I no longer assume good intention behind his choice to refuse all response to the science in Millette's paper. Much less baffling when I stop making it my job to understand others' motivations.

But in Harrit's defense, I agree that he is NOT senile, and it's a term that depresses me when it is bandied about. As a minister I have spent too much time with Alzheimer's patients, people with dementia, brain damaged veterans. the mentally ill, suicide victims and their families, attempted suicides, depression, drug and alcohol addictions, prisoners, sociopaths, etc etc etc. Niels and I are not likely to ever be friends, and we sure don't have much mutual respect, but senile? That's insulting to both him and to people who in fact suffer from the horrors of a rotting brain.
 

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