Nailed: Ten Christian Myths that show Jesus never existed

[IanS]

Also true of climate change denialists, who often seize on some error or disagreement, as evidence that the whole scientific field is corrupt or incorrect. I suppose this is the 'narcissism of small differences' or something.

Far from any climate change denial or any creationist claims, the scientific position here could actually only support the sceptic view of pointing out that there is actually no reliable evidence of any living Jesus. But in fact rather a lot of evidence to show that the Jesus stories were superstitious inventions in a time of great ignorance.

In fact if you conducted a poll amongst scientists vs. bible scholars (or any others who claimed to believe in a real HJ), asking whether they believed that evidence showed Jesus was real, I think you would almost certainly find the scientists expressing a far greater degree of scepticism about a HJ.

That seems to me almost inevitable, simply because the bible scholars etc. include a large proportion of people who are practicing religious Christians ... whereas, amongst the most senior scientists (e.g. the National Academy of Sciences in the US) polls have shown that very few believe in a literal God. And also of course, high level scientists like that would almost always insist that any claim of positive belief in a HJ has to be supported by reliable and credible evidence (probably, independently confirmed evidence), whereas the so-called "expert academic scholars" in this subject, i.e. bible scholars and theologians, are actually putting their faith in the bible as their evidence of Jesus.

But in any case the entire suggestion of comparing sceptics to creationists or Holocaust deniers (I think we also had that at one point!) is of course just yet another juvenile attempt to smear sceptics here with yet more in an already long list of name calling and personalised abuse. Which is of course rather a give-away of the weakness of a HJ position which can never produce any actual evidence, and which relies instead on constantly trying to trot out the exact same list of attempted character assassination that I quoted earlier from Wells book.

 

[Brainache]

Far from any climate change denial or any creationist claims, the scientific position here could actually only support the sceptic view of pointing out that there is actually no reliable evidence of any living Jesus. But in fact rather a lot of evidence to show that the Jesus stories were superstitious inventions in a time of great ignorance.

In fact if you conducted a poll amongst scientists vs. bible scholars (or any others who claimed to believe in a real HJ), asking whether they believed that evidence showed Jesus was real, I think you would almost certainly find the scientists expressing a far greater degree of scepticism about a HJ.

That seems to me almost inevitable, simply because the bible scholars etc. include a large proportion of people who are practicing religious Christians ... whereas, amongst the most senior scientists (e.g. the National Academy of Sciences in the US) polls have shown that very few believe in a literal God. And also of course, high level scientists like that would almost always insist that any claim of positive belief in a HJ has to be supported by reliable and credible evidence (probably, independently confirmed evidence), whereas the so-called "expert academic scholars" in this subject, i.e. bible scholars and theologians, are actually putting their faith in the bible as their evidence of Jesus.

But in any case the entire suggestion of comparing sceptics to creationists or Holocaust deniers (I think we also had that at one point!) is of course just yet another juvenile attempt to smear sceptics here with yet more in an already long list of name calling and personalised abuse. Which is of course rather a give-away of the weakness of a HJ position which can never produce any actual evidence, and which relies instead on constantly trying to trot out the exact same list of attempted character assassination that I quoted earlier from Wells book.

More ad-hom nonsense.

If you spent as much time familiarising yourself with the arguments as you do attacking the arguers, you might learn something.

Please find out how History is studied at University before you say this rubbish again.

Go to your local University Ancient History department and talk to a Historian. Please...

 

[zugzwang]

IanS

More inaccurate and irrational nonsense from you. Go back and check what my comment was about - nothing to do with 'smearing sceptics'.

 

[IanS]

IanS

More inaccurate and irrational nonsense from you. Go back and check what my comment was about - nothing to do with 'smearing sceptics'.

Bible scholars and theologians who believe in Jesus are not remotely comparable to scientists in the objectivity and accuracy of their research and their standards of evidence.

The "nonsense" here is yours in the claims you make when trying to denigrate HJ sceptics by saying they are like anti-scientific climate-change deniers & creationists. It’s hardly “nonsense” to point out that in fact scientists are far more likely to be sceptical about the claimed HJ evidence than the bible scholars and theologians who typically claim that Jesus is known to have really existed.

You never seem to have any actual explanations of anything, do you. Except worthless single line attempts at abusive remarks. You certainly never post any genuine evidence to support your belief in a living human Jesus.

 

[Brainache]

Bible scholars and theologians who believe in Jesus are not remotely comparable to scientists in the objectivity and accuracy of their research and their standards of evidence.

The "nonsense" here is yours in the claims you make when trying to denigrate HJ sceptics by saying they are like anti-scientific climate deniers & creationists. It’s hardly “nonsense” to point out that in fact scientists are far more likely to be sceptical about the claimed HJ evidence than the bible scholars and theologians who typically claim that Jesus is known to have really existed.

You never seem to have any actual explanations of anything, do you. Except worthless single line attempts at abusive remarks. You certainly never post any genuine evidence to support your belief in a living human Jesus.

You realise that you are slandering an entire Profession, don't you?

You are basically claiming more expertise on this subject than Professional Historians all over the World, not just Bible Belt Diploma Mills. People who run the Ancient History courses at places like Yale, Oxford, Harvard and Cambridge... all the way to your local Community College. Every single one of them. It is insulting.

Do you really, honestly believe that you know more about this subject than all of those people who do this for a living?

Really?

 

[dejudge]

You realise that you are slandering an entire Profession, don't you?

You are basically claiming more expertise on this subject than Professional Historians all over the World, not just Bible Belt Diploma Mills. People who run the Ancient History courses at places like Yale, Oxford, Harvard and Cambridge... all the way to your local Community College. Every single one of them. It is insulting.

Do you really, honestly believe that you know more about this subject than all of those people who do this for a living?

Really?

Your statement is just a load of fallacies. The study of HJ is agenda driven or lack rigor in research methods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

A number of scholars have criticized the various approaches used in the study of the historical Jesus—on one hand for the lack of rigor in research methods, on the other for being driven by "specific agendas" that interpret ancient sources to fit specific goals.[22][23][24][25] These agendas range from those that strive to confirm the Christian view of Jesus, or discredit Christianity, or interpret the life and teachings of Jesus with the hope of causing social change.

Christians Scholars argue that HJ was a resurrected being and preach in Churches that Jesus was God's Son who was raised from the dead.

William Craig, a Scholar argues that HJ was raised from the dead.

Michael Wilkins, a Scholar, argues that HJ was raised from the dead.

Robert Van Voorst, a Scholar, preaches that Jesus is the resurrected Son of God.

Dr. Gary Habermas, a Scholar, argues the HJ was a resurrected being and Son of God.

Robert Eisenman, an Historian, teaches that NO-ONE has solved the HJ question.

Ricahard Carrier, a Scholar, argues that Jesus is a figure of mythology.

Earl Doherty, a Scholar, argues that Jesus is a figure of mythology.


There may be thousands of Evangelical or Christian Scholars who are teaching and preaching that HJ was a resurrected being.

There may be thousands of Scholars who worship Jesus as their Lord and Savior and expect Jesus to reward them for arguing that he did exist and did resurrect in the time of Pilate.

 

[Belz...]

Bible scholars and theologians who believe in Jesus are not remotely comparable to scientists in the objectivity and accuracy of their research and their standards of evidence.

"If you disagree with me, then you are a believer in nonsense."

Such sublime skepticism.

 

[Brainache]

Your statement is just a load of fallacies. The study of HJ is agenda driven or lack rigor in research methods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus



Christians Scholars argue that HJ was a resurrected being and preach in Churches that Jesus was God's Son who was raised from the dead.

William Craig, a Scholar argues that HJ was raised from the dead.

Michael Wilkins, a Scholar, argues that HJ was raised from the dead.

Robert Van Voorst, a Scholar, preaches that Jesus is the resurrected Son of God.

Dr. Gary Habermas, a Scholar, argues the HJ was a resurrected being and Son of God.

Robert Eisenman, an Historian, teaches that NO-ONE has solved the HJ question.

Ricahard Carrier, a Scholar, argues that Jesus is a figure of mythology.

Earl Doherty, a Scholar, argues that Jesus is a figure of mythology.


There may be thousands of Evangelical or Christian Scholars who are teaching and preaching that HJ was a resurrected being.

There may be thousands of Scholars who worship Jesus as their Lord and Savior and expect Jesus to reward them for arguing that he did exist and did resurrect in the time of Pilate.

And apples are the same as oranges, because they are both fruit...

Madness.

 

[Craig B]

There may be thousands of Scholars who worship Jesus as their Lord and Savior and expect Jesus to reward them for arguing that he did exist and did resurrect in the time of Pilate.

Name all these scholars! What surveys have you done? How many scholars are there altogether? What sort of reward do they expect from Jesus? Are there any who believe that he did not exist but resurrected in the time of Pilate? What sort of reward will they get? Do Muslim scholars get rewarded with seventy virgins in Heaven for arguing that Jesus was a prophet? You must answer all these questions or I will call you illogical.

 

[dejudge]

Name all these scholars! What surveys have you done? How many scholars are there altogether? What sort of reward do they expect from Jesus? Are there any who believe that he did not exist but resurrected in the time of Pilate? What sort of reward will they get? Do Muslim scholars get rewarded with seventy virgins in Heaven for arguing that Jesus was a prophet? You must answer all these questions or I will call you illogical.

You got trapped. You must first read and understand what I wrote before you post. You don't understand the meaning of the words "may be"

There may be thousands of Scholars who worship Jesus as their Lord and Savior and expect Jesus to reward them for arguing that he did exist and did resurrect in the time of Pilate.

Get a dictionary an look up "may be".

Maybe you don't have one!!

I have a list of thousands of Christians Scholars may be they worship Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

Christians typically do that.

http://www.csreview.org/overall2/

 

[Brainache]

You got trapped. You must first read and understand what I wrote before you post. You don't understand the meaning of the words "may be"



Get a dictionary an look up "may be".

Maybe you don't have one!!

I have a list of thousands of Christians Scholars may be they worship Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

Christians typically do that.

http://www.csreview.org/overall2/

What about the Jewish ones?

Do they worship Jesus?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism's_view_of_Jesus

Judaism generally views Jesus as one of a number of false messiahs who have appeared throughout history.[1] Jesus is viewed as having been the most influential, and consequently the most damaging, of all false messiahs.[2] However, since the mainstream Jewish belief is that the Messiah has not yet come and that the Messianic Age is not yet present, the total rejection of Jesus as either messiah or deity in Judaism has never been a central issue for Judaism. At the heart of Judaism are the Torah, its commandments, the Tanakh, and ethical monotheism such as in the Shema — all of which predated Jesus.
Judaism has never accepted any of the claimed fulfillments of prophecy that Christianity attributes to Jesus. Judaism also forbids the worship of a person as a form of idolatry, since the central belief of Judaism is the absolute unity and singularity of God.[3][4] Jewish eschatology holds that the coming of the Messiah will be associated with a specific series of events that have not yet occurred, including the return of Jews to their homeland and the rebuilding of The Temple, a Messianic Age of peace[5] and understanding during which "the knowledge of God" fills the earth,[6] and since Jews believe that none of these events occurred during the lifetime of Jesus (nor have they occurred afterwards, except for the return of many Jews to their homeland in Israel), he is not a candidate for messiah...

Try again dejudge, they say there was a HJ.

Oy Vey!

 

[dejudge]

What about the Jewish ones?

Do they worship Jesus?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism's_view_of_Jesus

Judaism generally views Jesus as one of a number of false messiahs who have appeared throughout history.[1] Jesus is viewed as having been the most influential, and consequently the most damaging, of all false messiahs.[2] However, since the mainstream Jewish belief is that the Messiah has not yet come and that the Messianic Age is not yet present, the total rejection of Jesus as either messiah or deity in Judaism has never been a central issue for Judaism. At the heart of Judaism are the Torah, its commandments, the Tanakh, and ethical monotheism such as in the Shema — all of which predated Jesus.

Judaism has never accepted any of the claimed fulfillments of prophecy that Christianity attributes to Jesus. Judaism also forbids the worship of a person as a form of idolatry, since the central belief of Judaism is the absolute unity and singularity of God.[3][4] Jewish eschatology holds that the coming of the Messiah will be associated with a specific series of events that have not yet occurred, including the return of Jews to their homeland and the rebuilding of The Temple, a Messianic Age of peace[5] and understanding during which "the knowledge of God" fills the earth,[6] and since Jews believe that none of these events occurred during the lifetime of Jesus (nor have they occurred afterwards, except for the return of many Jews to their homeland in Israel), he is not a candidate for messiah...

Try again dejudge, they say there was a HJ.

Oy Vey!

Why don't you even read the passage before you post it?

You don't even realize that Jews have not acknowledge the advent of the Christ.

You have shown that HJ was a Hoax.

Well done.

"the mainstream Jewish belief is that the Messiah has not yet come"

Hoax Jesus is HJ.

 

[Craig B]

Get a dictionary an look up "may be".

It means the same as "may not be".

 

[dejudge]

It means the same as "may not be".

Tell the HJ QUESTERS that there may not be an HJ.

 

[Brainache]

Why don't you even read the passage before you post it?

You don't even realize that Jews have not acknowledge the advent of the Christ.

You have shown that HJ was a Hoax.

Well done.



Hoax Jesus is HJ.

No one here that I know of is arguing for "The Advent of The Christ".

We are arguing like those Jewish Scholars, that Jesus was a Messiah Claimant who was killed by the Romans. Just a deluded religious fanatic.

What part of this is confusing you?

 

[Craig B]

Tell the HJ QUESTERS that there may not be an HJ.

You go and tell them that "may be" and "may not be" mean different things, and it'll take their minds off the endless task of finding the HJ and give them a bit of amusement to lighten their lives.

 

[dejudge]

No one here that I know of is arguing for "The Advent of The Christ".

We are arguing like those Jewish Scholars, that Jesus was a Messiah Claimant who was killed by the Romans. Just a deluded religious fanatic.

What part of this is confusing you?

What a big lie.

The HJ QUESTERS use Tacitus Annals with Christus and Josephus Antiquities of the Jews 20.9.1 with Jesus called the Christ to argue for their HJ.

If your HJ was dead before he was called the Christ then he could not be called the Christ after he was dead.

Please, just go and tell Craig B and Foster Zygote that Christus in Annals and Jesus the Christ in AJ 20.9.1 could not be their obscure criminal.

By the way, have you ever used Galatians 1.19 to argue that Jesus CHRIST had a brother called the Apostle James?

If your HJ was NOT the Christ then Galatians 1.19 does NOT support your HJ argument.

In Galatians, Jesus is called the Christ at least 30 times.

 

[dejudge]

You go and tell them that "may be" and "may not be" mean different things, and it'll take their minds off the endless task of finding the HJ and give them a bit of amusement to lighten their lives.

You are an HJer. Why don't you tell them the truth? May be and may be not means the same thing

It means the same as "may not be".

 

[Brainache]

What a big lie.

The HJ QUESTERS use Tacitus Annals with Christus and Josephus Antiquities of the Jews 20.9.1 with Jesus called the Christ to argue for their HJ.

If your HJ was dead before he was called the Christ then he could not be called the Christ after he was dead.

...

I know I'll regret this, but can you explain how this follows?

It appears to make no sense at all.

Whether or not he was called "Christ" is very different to "The Advent Of Christ". The Advent is a theological concept, it is irrelevant to whether or not he was an Apocalyptic Rabbi with a following.

Why is this still confusing you?

 

[dejudge]

I know I'll regret this, but can you explain how this follows?

It appears to make no sense at all.

Whether or not he was called "Christ" is very different to "The Advent Of Christ". The Advent is a theological concept, it is irrelevant to whether or not he was an Apocalyptic Rabbi with a following.

Why is this still confusing you?

Your irreconcilable HJ makes no sense and you want me to explain it?

That is your job.

The advent of Christ is NOT theological but the expectation of an historical event.

It is most incredible that you have no idea what "The Advent of Christ" means to the Jews.

The Jews expect a Physical King or ruler.

Justin's Dialogue with Trypho

And when I had finished these words, I continued: "Now I am aware that your teachers, sirs, admit the whole of the words of this passage to refer to Christ; and I am likewise aware that they maintain He has not yet come; or if they say that He has come, they assert that it is not known who He is; but when He shall become manifest and glorious, then it shall be known who He is.