Presidential Primaries 2016

[MattusMaximus]

It's been said, the thing that gets you in trouble most isn't so much what you do but the cover-up and lying after.

This ^

Just ask Nixon.

 

[Puppycow]

After he called her stupid and deceitful in his press conference, I can see the aide involved comming up with proof that Christie knew. I certainly would do so if I had the proof and had just been thrown under the bus.

IXP

Frankly, that is the only reason I believe him. No aide would stay loyal after that, so he has to know that there is nothing to connect him to this.

With the caveat of removing the word "only" this is my view.

Ever heard of "Omertà"?

Just saw the following headline at Huffpo:

CAPO SCHEMED: 'There Can Be No Public Discourse'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/10/port-authority-head-fort-lee-_n_4577516.html

The 'Capo' here being Bill Baroni.

In a subsequent email on the morning of Sept. 13, Baroni wrote Foye directly that he was on his way into the office and wanted to discuss the controversy further. Then he offered what appears to be a warning to his superior: "There can be no public discourse."

 

[hgc]

We have a rare treat today -- an intro/strike combination.

I really had no idea that Governor Jerry Brown of California was a mentionable for president in 2016, but here today is an article saying that he will not be running. So long, E.G. "J." Brown. We hardly knew ya! (Actually, we know you well from campaigns past, and best of luck to you.)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jerry-brown-isn-t-running-for-president-in-2016

Now, who's as surprised as I am that the first to be struck this season was not C. Christie?

GOP
P. Ryan
C. Christie
M. Rubio
J. Bush
M. Bachmann
W. "M." Romney
S. Palin (again of Fox News)
M. Huckabee
T. Pawlenty
J. Thune
S. Walker
D. Trump, President of Never Gonna Run for President (and Celebrity Jokebag Contingent)
R. Paul (le fils)
J. DeMint
N. Haley
S. Martinez
R. Santorum
M. Pence
C. Rice
R. "T." Cruz
P. "B." Jindal
J. Brewer
J. Kasich
B. Carson
R. "B." McDonnell
J. Huntsman
T. Nugent (Celebrity Jokebag Contingent)
P. King
J. Bolton (Funny facial hair never wins)
H. Cain

Dem
H. Clinton
J. Biden
M. Warner
M. O’Malley
A. Klobuchar
C. Booker
A. Villaraigosa
B. Schweitzer
K. Gillibrand
A. Cuomo
R. Emmanuel
M. Cantwell
E. Warren
Ju. Castro
D. Patrick
H. Dean
E.G. "J." Brown

Indeterminate
M. Bloomberg
J. Ventura

 

[jnelso99]

I am Governor Jerry Brown
My aura smiles and never frowns
Soon I will be President

...or not.

(Sorry, listening to a lot of Dead Kennedys lately)

 

[Puppycow]

Another poll out on Christie:

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/...ristie-cruising-through-bridge-scandal-so-far

But the survey also shows that the potential 2016 Republican candidate has lost ground to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in an early hypothetical presidential match up and now trails her by 13 points.

If that's only a temporary blip, no big deal, but if it stays like that he loses the important "electability" argument for being the nominee.

 

[hgc]

Saw something on Morning Joe this morning about C. Christie's event yesterday in NJ. In his remarks to the assembled crowd, he talked about how he was born in NJ, raised in NJ, intend to raise his kids in NJ, and he's going to stay in NJ.

Is he pulling himself out of 2016 contention right now? Is this potentate asking me to strike him from the list?

 

[Puppycow]

Not definitive, but a pretty strong hint.

Honestly, no serious candidate is likely to declare anything this early.

 

[Puppycow]

The Boston Herald (a right-leaning paper) says he's "dead in the water" as far as presidential ambitions.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/us_politics/2014/02/experts_chris_christie_dead_in_water

My guess at this point is that he won't run. The money people will be scared off. His biggest asset is now a liability. I don't know if that means you cross him off now or wait till it's official.

http://www.pollingreport.com/C2.htm
http://www.pollingreport.com/2016.htm

 

[hgc]

OK, I've seen enough. With the release yesterday of C. Christie's desperate cry for help, in the form of an email to supporters wherein he calls out the high school antics of his accuser, is there any doubt left that this man will never run for president?

http://images.politico.com/global/2014/02/01/christie1.html

GOP
P. Ryan
C. Christie
M. Rubio
J. Bush
M. Bachmann
W. "M." Romney
S. Palin (again of Fox News)
M. Huckabee
T. Pawlenty
J. Thune
S. Walker
D. Trump, President of Never Gonna Run for President (and Celebrity Jokebag Contingent)
R. Paul (le fils)
J. DeMint
N. Haley
S. Martinez
R. Santorum
M. Pence
C. Rice
R. "T." Cruz
P. "B." Jindal
J. Brewer
J. Kasich
B. Carson
R. "B." McDonnell
J. Huntsman
T. Nugent (Celebrity Jokebag Contingent)
P. King
J. Bolton (Funny facial hair never wins)
H. Cain

Dem
H. Clinton
J. Biden
M. Warner
M. O’Malley
A. Klobuchar
C. Booker
A. Villaraigosa
B. Schweitzer
K. Gillibrand
A. Cuomo
R. Emmanuel
M. Cantwell
E. Warren
Ju. Castro
D. Patrick
H. Dean
E.G. "J." Brown

Indeterminate
M. Bloomberg
J. Ventura

 

[barehl]

Paul Ryan has already stated that he won't seek Speaker of the House or run for President.

 

[hgc]

Paul Ryan has already stated that he won't seek Speaker of the House or run for President.

I'm very interested in seeing where Ryan said he won't run for President. Can you link?

 

[Puppycow]

As recently as November he was in Iowa where he supposedly told the Des Moines Register that he was going to 'take a hard look' at a presidential run after his current term in congress.

Chris Cillizza noted the congressman's popularity in Iowa:

Ryan’s status as a first-among-equals within the House — and perhaps within the national party writ large — was affirmed by a Des Moines Register poll released Sunday that tested the impressions that Iowans have of the potential 2016 presidential field. Ryan was the most popular Republican tested in the survey — with almost three-quarters of Iowa Republicans saying they felt very or mostly favorable about him. Among a subsample of tea-partiers, Ryan was again the best liked, with a 66 percent favorable score.

Although Cillizza seemed to come down on the side that he's more likely setting his sights on something like chairman of the Ways and Means Committee for now, and maybe Speaker some time down the road. That's, by the way, considered the most powerful and most lucrative committee in the House. It's not as high profile as Speaker of course, but it's a very powerful and influential position for insiders.

 

[grunion]

Mike "Uncle Sugar" Huckabee breaks from the gate to get his nose slightly ahead in the GOP pack. Link. Looks like the kind of red meat comments that could play well in early primaries (but obviously kill him in the general election.) It is so early though.

Huckabee gained 3 points in the past month to top the GOP field at 16 percent, according to a left-leaning Public Policy Polling survey released Wednesday.

Behind him were former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, at 14 percent; New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, at 13 percent; Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, at 11 percent; and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio tied at 8 percent.

 

[Puppycow]

http://www.pollingreport.com/2016.htm

Hillary's gotta be loving these numbers.

+20 vs. Jeb
+16 vs. Christie
+17 vs. Huck
+18 vs. Paul
+15 vs. Ryan

The Republican side is wide open. No one has even 20%. I kinda think Scott Walker should be in the conversation. But on the Dem side it's just Hillary all by herself really. 73% favor her; Biden is next with only 11%. There's already PACs and Super PACs raising money for her without her even doing anything.

 

[Puppycow]

Some news on the Scott Walker front:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2...vestigation_walker_tied_to_secret_emails.html

Not sure how big a deal this will turn out to be though.

 

[Octavo]

I was listening to Gareth Cliff this morning (local radio DJ) who just returned from NYC where he MC'd a Mandela tribute.

He related on radio this morning the short conversation he had with Bill Clinton after the event with regards to Hillary running for POTUS. Apparently Bill smiled and told him that she was still deciding if she should run, but then winked conspiratorially at him. Apparently he then very sincerely talked about how he believed she affect change in the country and that he would support her 100%

link for the bored: http://www.garethcliff.com/blog/

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Seems to me the only question re: Hillary is: Who will be her running mate?

 

[Spindrift]

Seems to me the only question re: Hillary is: Who will be her running mate?

Tipper Gore.

 

[hgc]

Seems to me the only question re: Hillary is: Who will be her running mate?

Oh, jeez. I'll be starting up the VP candidate thread some time in early 2016, if you can wait that long.

Meanwhile, my nod goes to M. O'Malley.

 

[AlBell]

Oh, jeez. I'll be starting up the VP candidate thread some time in early 2016, if you can wait that long.

Meanwhile, my nod goes to M. O'Malley.

Ms. Warren to give her a shot at POTUS after 2 terms Hilary.

eta: Or Monica L.?