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Reno said:
I think the diamonds are internally smashed - meaning that from the outside they look exactly as they always did, but the "insides" are smashed up.

I think Flac thinks that a diamond is like an egg, with an outer shell. She seems to be claiming that the insides of her diamonds are scrambled. I think normal human eyes would not be able to see any difference between internally smashed diamonds and unsmashed diamonds. She knows they are smashed up internally because the spirits told her.

At least, this is what Ruffles tells me.
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The essence is all smashed but the accidents remain looking just like diamonds.
 
Yes, I am probably giving her much too much credit. Thinking that she looked at them under a microscope to find that they had internal flaws (inclusions, I believe, is the technical term.)

IXP
 
flaccon, can you see the internal damage with the naked eye? If so, can you post a picture of one that is damaged. If not, how did you detect the damage?
 
flaccon said:
Thanks. To alter an original recording with significant differences, along those lines. Hoping for a few attempts at it on the day.
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So your claim is that the spirits will significantly alter a digital recording. OK.

How will it be determined that the recordings have significantly changed? If the recordings are determined to have not significantly changed, will you accept the result as evidence that you are wrong?
 
Alice Shortcake said:
And I still can't understand why entities capable of exerting enough carefully directed force to smash diamonds are incapable of tapping out messages on a computer keyboard. This would rule out pareidolia and allow them to make their great revelation in their own unambiguous words.
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Good point. Hell, why not just have the spirit world tip over a chair, under controlled conditions. Should require practically no effort at all compared to smashing one of the hardest substances on earth.
 
Dissolution said:
I missed this. Is there a link available?
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flaccon first talked about it on her website www.chapter23.org and then told Alderbank about it when he was at her house:


Alderbank said:
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flaccon also has some kind of cloth or garment which (to my eyes) is randomly stained but which she claims is an image of one of her relatives stained in blood. The blood is the blood of the historical Jesus. He put it there. She is seeking for the authorities to have this stain tested to prove its authenticity. This proof will enable her to get the spirits' message to the world.

She was deadly serious when she said this. I couldn't think of anything to say.
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It's confusing, but it somehow connects chapter 23 of the book The Da Vinci Code to flaccon's blood, which got commingled with Jesus' blood, which the spirits then used to create the mini artwork, which explains why the spirits kept insisting she have the blood tested. I also remember something about waiting for blood test results or maybe that the tests were too expensive, but can't find that link, so I can't say for sure.


Scordatura
 
IXP said:
Had you looked at them under a microscope before the spirits "smashed them up inside?" Flawless diamonds that are anything but tiny are not something you would likely be able to afford.

IXP
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Yes I had the solitaire for 20 years, collected/sold antique jewellery so knew my own stones well. The solitaire had a trace of carbon, caterpillar shape. Its now internally smashed in several places. The trilogy ring also has white inclusion that were never present. I know how ridiculous breaking a diamond sounds but I've seen it. they say they can do it and I think they stand a good chance at proving so.
I doubt I'll need a flawless diamond, so long as the imperfections have been professionally described. I have a friend who may loan me a diamond.
 
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Scordatura said:
flaccon first talked about it on her website www.chapter23.org and then told Alderbank about it when he was at her house:





It's confusing, but it somehow connects chapter 23 of the book The Da Vinci Code to flaccon's blood, which got commingled with Jesus' blood, which the spirits then used to create the mini artwork, which explains why the spirits kept insisting she have the blood tested. I also remember something about waiting for blood test results or maybe that the tests were too expensive, but can't find that link, so I can't say for sure.


Scordatura
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Yes very serious. I saw it had leaked from a scar and I threw the blouse in the bin (as one would do) but was told to retrieve as it didn't belong to me. Whatever is going on, I have to get to the bottom of, and I can't do that without getting a foot in the door somewhere.

The blood test was £900 + with no guarantee. Thanks for remembering Scord, you hit the nail on the head in your last post but my PC messed up trying to reply.
 
trustbutverify said:
So your claim is that the spirits will significantly alter a digital recording. OK.

How will it be determined that the recordings have significantly changed? If the recordings are determined to have not significantly changed, will you accept the result as evidence that you are wrong?
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Any chance I can get some reasonable answers to these Questions?
 
trustbutverify said:
So your claim is that the spirits will significantly alter a digital recording. OK.

How will it be determined that the recordings have significantly changed? If the recordings are determined to have not significantly changed, will you accept the result as evidence that you are wrong?
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Example; A recording is generated and identified "quiet, with a constant hiss until the end" It should be accurately described, where (if any) there are any slight interferences (exactly like JF's and Robs was described.. a "constant" noise running through) When that file is played through this PC (all being well) it should alter with obvious differences, also altering the original file and any other copies made. I'm sure the card tricks would have been less complicated If it fails I can hardly tell the spirits they are not spirits.
 
SezMe said:
flaccon, can you see the internal damage with the naked eye? If so, can you post a picture of one that is damaged. If not, how did you detect the damage?
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Yes, I've not got great eye sight either. It used to sparkle, now the light escapes from the edges. I'll take a pic tomorrow and enlarge it.
 
As for the smashed diamond, if it's a sizeable one she'll have the original appraisal and photos available, so internal flaws (like inclusions) will be noted, and while a gemologist won't be able to say who caused the damage , he/she can identify the origin of the damage. The gemologist can also verify that it's the same diamond.

Hard as they are, diamonds get chipped or cracked all the time, but I've never heard of internal flaws spreading without ultimately causing the diamond to break apart. A diamond that needs a good cleaning can sometimes amplify internal flaws to the naked eye.
 
flaccon said:
Example; A recording is generated and identified "quiet, with a constant hiss until the end" It should be accurately described, where (if any) there are any slight interferences (exactly like JF's and Robs was described.. a "constant" noise running through) When that file is played through this PC (all being well) it should alter with obvious differences, also altering the original file and any other copies made. I'm sure the card tricks would have been less complicated If it fails I can hardly tell the spirits they are not spirits.
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A) Who or what determines if a significant change has occurred? What objective mechanism will be employed to compare the original recording to the so called "altered" version?

B) So you're conducting a test in which a positive result confirms your claim, but a negative result means nothing? That's ridiculous.
 
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Reno said:
Ruffles, our spirit-scenting dog, can also sniff out paranormal infections and is trained to slobber in a special way that will negate demonic side-effects.

(you must have heard of those amazing dogs that can detect cancer in a person?)
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Hardly amazing considering 1 in 2 folk will soon contract cancer. Ever wondered, if it isn't contagious (which it isn't) how is it spreading like wild fire? Serious question.
 
flaccon said:
Yes, I've not got great eye sight either. It used to sparkle, now the light escapes from the edges. I'll take a pic tomorrow and enlarge it.
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Of course you will. Then month after next you'll think about posting that pic.
This never gets tedious.
 
flaccon said:
Yes very serious. I saw it had leaked from a scar and I threw the blouse in the bin (as one would do) but was told to retrieve as it didn't belong to me. Whatever is going on, I have to get to the bottom of, and I can't do that without getting a foot in the door somewhere.

The blood test was £900 + with no guarantee. Thanks for remembering Scord, you hit the nail on the head in your last post but my PC messed up trying to reply.
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flaccon, thanks for responding; it was very helpful to me :)


Elizabeth I said:
"Hello, computer."
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Reno said:
Ruffles says you should let him sniff your diamonds.
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No offense intended to flaccon or anyone else, but these are two of the funniest posts in this thread. :D


Scordatura
 
Much like voices first being unmistakably clear to any and all who would listen then under scrutiny becoming something far less, are the shattered diamonds now shifting towards a less dramatic change of condition?
 
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