Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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Grinder said:
Happy Valentines to you as well or were you harkening back on one of the great PR moves in this case?
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I don't believe that her wearing the shirt was a PR move at all. I think it was how she was feeling, although wearing it may have hurt her in some people's eyes.
 
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Chris_Halkides said:
I don't believe that her wearing the shirt was a PR move at all. I think it was how she was feeling, although wearing it may have hurt her in some people's eyes.
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Sometimes a t-shirt is just a t-shirt. However, when every upturn of a mouth or itch of a nose gets imbued with meaning, and there are reporters out there (BN or AV) ready to sluttify anything and everything.... you get the drift.
 
Only a fanatic could look at the picture of her walking into court with the oversized t-shirt emblazoned with the words "All You Need is Love" and not cringe.

Even when the kids themselves say they did something that caused some of their troubles some people feel the need to explain it away with Stockholm Syndrome or some such thing.

I don't think this is helping their case.

Sometimes life doesn't let people just be themselves and this is one of them.

ETA - the famous t-shirt wasn't just noticed by a couple of reporters. It was everywhere because it was so bizarre.
 
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Grinder said:
Only a fanatic could look at the picture of her walking into court with the oversized t-shirt emblazoned with the words "All You Need is Love" and not cringe.
Even when the kids themselves say they did something that caused some of their troubles some people feel the need to explain it away with Stockholm Syndrome or some such thing.

I don't think this is helping their case.

Sometimes life doesn't let people just be themselves and this is one of them.

ETA - the famous t-shirt wasn't just noticed by a couple of reporters. It was everywhere because it was so bizarre.
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Cringe, perhaps. That was my first reaction - before I'd figured out what Mignini meant by, "only a notary" and realized the fix was in from the git go.

But to be talking about it in 2014, 5 years later, as if it means anything is equally cringe worthy. For one thing, it is to try to keep the topic of conversation at the "PR level". Ok, go ahead, talk about it at that level!

I actually do not care that much about PR one way or another. Yes, sometimes life does not let people be themselves. Some people choose to be themselves anyways. Deal with it.
 
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Grinder said:
Only a fanatic could look at the picture of her walking into court with the oversized t-shirt emblazoned with the words "All You Need is Love" and not cringe.

Even when the kids themselves say they did something that caused some of their troubles some people feel the need to explain it away with Stockholm Syndrome or some such thing.

I don't think this is helping their case.

Sometimes life doesn't let people just be themselves and this is one of them.

ETA - the famous t-shirt wasn't just noticed by a couple of reporters. It was everywhere because it was so bizarre.
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I must be a fanatic because it didn't phase me one bit that a young American in an Italian prison for a crime she did not commit, being manipulated by so many older Italians ranging from the police and prosecutor to a prison HIV "doctor" and a soon-to-be-charged rapist-deputy-warden, feeling isolated and helpless and lonely, given a T-shirt by her best friend Madison with a phrase meaning comfort, wears it to her inquisition. It didn't bother me one bit.

And I will add, Grinder, that you refer to the defendants (appropriately) as "kids" because of their youth and innocence and nativity.

Go Amanda! And Raffaele!
 
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I never said it was smart PR

I would have advised against wearing the shirt, but it was a tempest in a teapot, as far I am concerned. PR should not rule this case; facts should.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
I would have advised against wearing the shirt, but it was a tempest in a teapot, as far I am concerned. PR should not rule this case; facts should.
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Both Amanda and Raffaele have learned the hard way they may as well be themselves. If they cry, their manipulative. If they don't, their cold. If she smiles in court (usually because she's just spotted family who she hasn't seen in months) she's uncaring towards the victim. If she is serious in court or sullen, she's trying to fool the cameras into thinking that she cares.

If she naively stays behind to cooperate with police, she gets charged. If after an unjust conviction in 2009, and then a release in 2011, she doesn't return for trial in 2013, then she's disrespectful of the system, and.... everyone's favourite.... disrespectful to the victim's family.

When she puts one single, solitary link on her blog to raise money for the victim's family, she's roundly criticized for being insensitive... for raising money for them!!!!

Both Raffaele and Amanda have been through the wringer on this one. In my books it doesn't matter if they do, or if they don't.... <fill in the blank here>. A hater is going to hate them and find a reason why.

May as well wear an, "All you need is love" T-shirt in court.... because it doesn't much matter. They're going to hate you, call into question your motives, or call you naive and not paying attention to PR... all the while accusing you of running a multi-million $$$ PR campaign....

Amanda and Raffaele are the paper and ink in some weird Rorschach test. I think it says more about the commentator than the wearer..... MOO.
 
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Strozzi said:
I must be a fanatic because it didn't phase me one bit that a young American in an Italian prison for a crime she did not commit, being manipulated by so many older Italians ranging from the police and prosecutor to a prison HIV "doctor" and a soon-to-be-charged rapist-deputy-warden, feeling isolated and helpless and lonely, given a T-shirt by her best friend Madison with a phrase meaning comfort, wears it to her inquisition. It didn't bother me one bit.
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I don't think all of that was known at the time

And I will add, Grinder, that you refer to the defendants (appropriately) as "kids" because of their youth and innocence and nativity.

Go Amanda! And Raffaele!
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Sounds like a pep rally.

Chris_Halkides said:
I would have advised against wearing the shirt, but it was a tempest in a teapot, as far I am concerned. PR should not rule this case; facts should.
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No it shouldn't. Perception shouldn't trump reality, but it does.

If youy look upstream I suggested that Amanda should be working on getting the facts out. Translate the documents that are there now. Add other documents and videos for public access. I recommend a docudrama that is annotated and shows clearly the basics of the false case.

In addition to the book/movie I would have a linked web page with all the court and media history available. Deep DNA analysis should not be part of the main show but rather available in white papers on the site. The people of Perugia Amanda mentions that support her should be recruited to help translate the documents and video as well as help produce the Italian version.

I wouldn't be posting 'art' pictures of myself holding a sign.

I'm off now so the pillorying will not be responded to until later, but I'll add that I don't think copying the PMF nutcases with photo-shopped pictures elevates the discussion here or anywhere.
 
It is clear that the physical evidence does not support Amanda and Raffaele being involved in the murder of Meredeth. Not sure how translating documents will help any court see reason.
 
Desert Fox said:
It is clear that the physical evidence does not support Amanda and Raffaele being involved in the murder of Meredeth. Not sure how translating documents will help any court see reason.
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Clearly Amanda is using the media currently. The mug shot with innocent in Italian would seem to be an effort to benefit her.

Can the ISC be influenced? I doubt it. If GHWB didn't know what a bar code is I doubt the Italian Supremes are aware of Internet promotions.

The people most likely to be influenced would be the masses. In the end Amanda and Raf want people to see the weakness of the case.
 
In the United States, has there ever been a potential extradition that has this kind of scrutiny. As a result, I think we are in uncharted territory.
 
It's not evidence of anything other than possibly a changing public perception of the Knox case, but a recent Cracked column included a gag panel which would make no sense unless the reader was familiar enough with the Knox case to recognise Amanda Knox from her picture alone and believed the case to be a farce.

I think we've come a long way if humour sites assume that extent of familiarity with the Knox case in their audience.

Relevant page, not all that funny but hey, it's not like they charged us money for it.
 


(translation of the Italian on the sign)

Perugia Hates You​



This was the actual text before Bill changed it above, I cannot think of a more succinct faceplant for a city so dependent on foreigners for their income from tourism and those studying abroad. No wonder it's concerned about 'The Curse of Perugia.' Amanda being a hopeless hippy writes back to them how much she loves them anyway, but I think this knuckledragging thug peddling his message of hate ought to become the new face of the Perugian tourism and scholastic industry! Everyone googling for information on Perugia ought to encounter this picture, with translations available for the linguistically challenged, that meaning most Americans of course.

"Perugia hates you'--kinda catchy, isn't it? I'm sure that will keep them coming, it's reminiscent of when state governors realized sometime in the Eighties that there's nothing better from a state point of view than outsiders coming in and dropping dollars in their states, paying taxes, and then going home using almost none of the services. As a result cable TV was deluged with advertising to lure people to places like Iowa which no right-thinking American could find on a map if they didn't live right next door to it. Their slogan was "Life changing" (Don't believe it, you can drive right through and not realize it's there) and soon everyone had their catchy little phrases like Washington's minimalistic "The State" to New Jersey's "Come and see for yourself" (What? Where the mob buried the bodies like Jimmy Hoffa?) and Wisconsin could never make up its mind going from "Escape to Wisconsin" to "You're among friends," then "Picture the Fun" and I think now it's "Stay a little bit longer." (more dollars please!) Perugia's catchy new slogan "Perugia Hates You" shows similar pith to Montana's "Get Lost."



Oh, and this was the vicious assault of Amanda's which created such a furor:

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Her sign says simply: 'We are innocent.'
 
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Kaosium said:



This was the actual text before Bill changed it above, I cannot think of a more succinct faceplant for a city so dependent on foreigners for their income from tourism and those studying abroad.
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For the record, 'twasn't me who photoshopped it. Apologies, I should have identified it so.

Still, whoever the fellow is who did the original, needs to have some PR advice for the city he loves.

Amanda's own response was a class act.
 
Bill Williams said:
For the record, 'twasn't me who photoshopped it. Apologies, I should have identified it so.
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Sorry, no criticism was intended, I just included that explanation so people would know the original was 'Perugia Hates You.'

Still, whoever the fellow is who did the original, needs to have some PR advice for the city he loves.
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He's not the only one from what I heard, it's what the hip Perugian is doing so that their city will forever be identified with people holding up placards of hate.

Amanda's own response was a class act.
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I agree, I was kidding about the hippy part. I like hippies actually--just don't tell anyone that!
 
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