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Alice Shortcake said:
Flaccon, are you prepared for the possibility that your story will reach more than one daily newspaper...and that you'll be mocked unmercifully?

Also, I can't help noticing that of your three "predictions" the last and by far the most dramatic one - "they're gassing the people", date-stamped August last year - has yet to be fulfilled. The statement is in the present tense so presumably the people have already been gassed. Of what possible value was this communication? We don't know who the victims were or where they died. In any case, what would you accept as confirmation of this non-prophecy? A full-blown genocide or attempted genocide? Multiple deaths in an industrial accident? Why are messages from the other side always so useless?

I'm desperately sorry to hear that your daughter and grandchildren have been caught up in this farce. The non-believing members of your family must be appalled by this situation.



The only intelligence at work here is your own - like every other human being on the planet you are subject to pareidolia.
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That would be this one-
Example. Message date-stamped August 2013
"They're gassing the people"
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One thing I noticed is that the "date-stamp" isn't really a date stamp at all, if it does no more than specify a whole month. I took it to refer to the gas attack in Syria last year; but since that took place in Aug 2013, the lack of a more specific date on flaccon's "prediction" makes it less than impressive (if that's what was referred to). If the "prediction" was of something else, the lack of any specificity beyond "they" and "the people" make it one of those prophecies that's almost sure to be fulfilled in the human course of things (as the Brazilian statue was in nature's course of things)- the kind that the "prophet" can draw a circle around afterward and shout "bullseye!"
 
turingtest said:
That would be this one-


One thing I noticed is that the "date-stamp" isn't really a date stamp at all, if it does no more than specify a whole month. I took it to refer to the gas attack in Syria last year; but since that took place in Aug 2013, the lack of a more specific date on flaccon's "prediction" makes it less than impressive (if that's what was referred to). If the "prediction" was of something else, the lack of any specificity beyond "they" and "the people" make it one of those prophecies that's almost sure to be fulfilled in the human course of things (as the Brazilian statue was in nature's course of things)- the kind that the "prophet" can draw a circle around afterward and shout "bullseye!"
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I haven't made any predictions. I don't, nor boast to have foresight. I stated that I'd put together some messages that I believe need addressing. I've actually no idea when the statue was hit. I heard it on the news on the 18th.

I took little notice of the "gassing" messages, I couldn't make out who, when, where. Only when it hit the media did it make any sense.

The pregnancy message I did take notice of, and questioned it. The message is clear enough to be understood, 2 weeks before actual conception took place.

Their latest message was a missing jigsaw piece to me. I don't expect you or anyone here to concern themselves about it, but I'm concerned and have reported it.
 
flaccon said:
I haven't made any predictions. I don't, nor boast to have foresight. I stated that I'd put together some messages that I believe need addressing. I've actually no idea when the statue was hit. I heard it on the news on the 18th.

I took little notice of the "gassing" messages, I couldn't make out who, when, where. Only when it hit the media did it make any sense.

The pregnancy message I did take notice of, and questioned it. The message is clear enough to be understood, 2 weeks before actual conception took place.

Their latest message was a missing jigsaw piece to me. I don't expect you or anyone here to concern themselves about it, but I'm concerned and have reported it.
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But you have claimed your voices are- for instance, here, where, in response to pixel42's
If your voices are really predicting the future then you can design an objective test protocol to prove it. But whenever this is suggested your voices make excuses and get upset, which suggests that at some level you know they are all in your imagination.
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you said
They really are, and I can't design them anything.
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And your "[o]nly when it [the gassing] hit the media did it make any sense" is exactly the point I was making with my "bullseye!" remark.
 
If flaccon is correct about the spirits, a "date-stamp" on a recording wouldn't authenticate the date of the "prediction" that flaccon hears on it; remember that she also claims that the spirits can alter recordings to make messages appear on them after they have been played back.
 
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Flaccon, why not just post the next prediction you receive on here as soon as you receive it, so that everyone can see that it was made before the event it predicted?
 
Like AliceShortcake and others, I think it is worrying that her daughter and grandchildren are involved in all this spirits and voices affair.
 
SusanB-M1 said:
Like AliceShortcake and others, I think it is worrying that her daughter and grandchildren are involved in all this spirits and voices affair.
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Yes; the likelihood of direct physical harm may be small, but you have to feel concerned for close family and friends living with this lunacy, especially the younger, more vulnerable ones who need a stable environment as they develop.

I'm also a bit surprised that this thread is continuing as if we hadn't already spent months patiently and repeatedly trying to get some remotely plausible evidence to support any of flaccon's claims.
 
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Pixel42 said:
From memory of her previous posts: years ago when she was having similar experiences she found a priest who was willing to listen to her. When she went to her church to talk about these latest experiences she was referred to her GP.

ETA: the letter from the GP appears to me to be an attempt to pass the buck back to the church, but it didn't work.
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I daresay you're right, Pixel42.
The world ''entitled'' threw me off.



flaccon said:
...Their latest message was a missing jigsaw piece to me. I don't expect you or anyone here to concern themselves about it, but I'm concerned and have reported it.
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To whom have you reported these concerns, flaccon?



SusanB-M1 said:
Like AliceShortcake and others, I think it is worrying that her daughter and grandchildren are involved in all this spirits and voices affair.
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Agreed, SusanB-M1. It'll be interesting to see how those PI and ASKE sessions go.
 
dlorde said:
I'm also a bit surprised that this thread is continuing as if we hadn't already spent months patiently and repeatedly trying to get some remotely plausible evidence to support any of flaccon's claims.
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If I remember correctly, there was a comment way back to say that continuing to respond to flacon's posts ensures that people who just read here know that JREF does not support her ideas.
 
SusanB-M1 said:
If I remember correctly, there was a comment way back to say that continuing to respond to flacon's posts ensures that people who just read here know that JREF does not support her ideas.
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You're right, of course. It just that it feels like a tedious waste of time... :boxedin:
 
flaccon said:
I haven't made any predictions. I don't, nor boast to have foresight. I stated that I'd put together some messages that I believe need addressing. I've actually no idea when the statue was hit. I heard it on the news on the 18th.

I took little notice of the "gassing" messages, I couldn't make out who, when, where. Only when it hit the media did it make any sense.

The pregnancy message I did take notice of, and questioned it. The message is clear enough to be understood, 2 weeks before actual conception took place.

Their latest message was a missing jigsaw piece to me. I don't expect you or anyone here to concern themselves about it, but I'm concerned and have reported it.
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Pixel42 said:
What's ridiculous is attributing meaning to obvious examples of pareidolia in the absence of objective evidence.

If your voices are really predicting the future then you can design an objective test protocol to prove it. But whenever this is suggested your voices make excuses and get upset, which suggests that at some level you know they are all in your imagination.
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flaccon said:
They really are, and I can't design them anything. These are not imaginary voices, and I accept that you believe them to be.
I can't tell them what to do or how to act, it's very the opposite.
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flaccon,

This is exctly what I meant when I referred to direct responses. I think I finally understand why you don't see any contradictions in statements like this, while some of us do. You believe the spirits are acting independently and you are simply a vehicle they use. In other words, they can predict the future but you cannot, so what you consider to be a truthful response may be construed as confusion or even a lie by those of us who do not believe in spirits.

When I nail a strathspey or a reel on my fiddle it often feels like it's my fingers and my fiddle playing and not “me.” My mind is quiet and it's all about the music. It's an awesome feeling and quite addictive. In fact, there's even a Gaelic term for it - “draiocht,” meaning “magic” or “enchantment.” But I'm not really enchanted and my brain hasn't stopped functioning; it just feels that way.

While I get your thought process (I think), it's often difficult to follow you, so instead of hearing what you have to say I'm busy trying to figure out if you're talking on behalf of your spirits, or avoiding an honest answer, or trying to wiggle out of something you said previously.

When you post vague or ambiguous comments I have to read between the lines and make judgments based on my interpretation of your words. This is a problem for me; I can't speak for you and I can't put words in your mouth that aren't there, but that's what I end up doing.

Scordatura
 
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Scordatura said:
..so what you consider to be a truthful response may be construed as confusion or even a lie by those of us who do not believe in spirits.
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It's also when she misreports things, like Alderbank's visit and subsequent commentary. In every case where doubt is thrown on her stories, she distorts the past and actions of those involved even as she proclaims her honesty.
 
flaccon said:
I haven't made any predictions. I don't, nor boast to have foresight. I stated that I'd put together some messages that I believe need addressing. I've actually no idea when the statue was hit. I heard it on the news on the 18th.

I took little notice of the "gassing" messages, I couldn't make out who, when, where. Only when it hit the media did it make any sense.

The pregnancy message I did take notice of, and questioned it. The message is clear enough to be understood, 2 weeks before actual conception took place.

Their latest message was a missing jigsaw piece to me. I don't expect you or anyone here to concern themselves about it, but I'm concerned and have reported it.
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The messages are clear when they are clear and not clear when they are not clear, clearly that was clear.
 
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