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Zoo kills giraffe, feeds it to the lions, tears of rage flood the net


The Danish Giraffe Controversy! Really?!!

By the way, some of the children (5 or 6-year-olds, I think) obviously didn't like what they saw, but they also didn't look as if they are going to be traumatised for life.

I live right next to the Copenhagen Zoo, and now I wish I'd gone to the dissection - just to be able to say, "I was there," when they start having violent protests in countries where Danes will no longer be able to plaster the :den: on all of their belongings as was the case after the infamous Muhammad Cartoon Controversy ....
 
I thought of this story last night when I watched Midsomer Murders (which was party set in Denmark).
No particular reason, mind, it just popped into my head.
 
It seems there really is a surplus of Danish giraffes named Marius. Who knew?
 
It's a zoo--an educational establishment...

There is nothing sociopathic about saying "We wanted to teach about nature--there it is."
"Here we have the Homo Lecherous Lecteris in its natural environment, a preschool playground. Due to it's peculiar mating habits, specific diet, and predation by Man, the HLL or 'Hannibal' population is in decline and they are rarely observed in the wild.

Our Hannibal is currently lurking in the shadows waiting for dinner, so let's see if we can coax it out with the remains of the autopsy you viewed earlier.... and yes, there it is! And now it's putting the carcass into a pot for cooking and eating (normally it would attempt to mate with its prey first, but it prefers a live victim so we probably won't see that action today).

BTW, some of you may be wondering why we killed and fed a valuable zoo specimen to the Hannibal, when domestic supplies are readily available. There are several reasons:-

1. Hannibals have very specific dietary requirements - they only eat human babies, preferably live. Due to government regulation these can sometimes be difficult to obtain legally.

2. The specimen was surplus to requirements, and its lack of genetic diversity may have compromised our Homo Sapiens breeding program.

3. As the Zoo is an educational establishment, we wanted to teach you about nature -- there it is!"
 
So? It's our feelings that we are concerned about.

Yes, and we don't want to encourage them...

People go to zoos to see the cute animals in a safe environment. We want those animals to be well cared for and happy, but having to keep them in captivity makes us uneasy. To find out that the cute animal we saw at the zoo yesterday was slaughtered and fed to the lions simply because it was 'surplus to requirements' is a bit much for some people. Suddenly we are face-to-face with the cold hard facts of our brutality towards other species, and we don't like it.

But not everybody. Seems there are a few sociopaths and psychopaths on this board who actually enjoy the idea.

Yeah, because big Saltwater Crocodiles are so cute.:rolleyes:
 
Here is a piece on "Why arguments for killing of giraffe Marius don't stand up to scrutiny" :

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/10/opinion/giraffe-culling-against/index.html

My summary of the points :

- the giraffe wasn't from a rare sub-species - so maybe should be part of the breeding program at all. Maybe. So maybe they should kill all of them?

- the zoo may have been able to prevent the birth of the giraffe if they had used a new contraceptive injection. Maybe - but the zoo obviously didn't agree this technique was a good idea - and I'm going to give their knowledge of the subject a lot more credit than this authors. Anyway whatever - maybe they could/should have prevented the giraffe being born. This seems irrelevant to the question of whether they should have killed it.

- there may be some inconsistency in approach between giraffes and white lions - as breeding white lions involves inbreeding - but zoos seem to do it anyway. Seems irrelevant - the lions in this story weren't white I don't think.

- In 2012 a different zoo sold some animals to a circus - breaking the EAZA rules - and yet those rules were used to justify not selling the giraffe outside the EAZA. This is a weird argument - because another zoo broke the rules and did something we would probably all agree was bad - then the danish zoo should have also broke the rules?

- The killing of the giraffe was not exceptional - this kind of thing goes on all the time in zoos allover the world. Somehow this is supposed to support the idea that they shouldn't have killed the giraffe? Surely it does the opposite?

- the author argues that conservation efforts would be better placed into schemes supporting natural habitats than zoos. Seems irrelevant to question of killing the giraffe.

Thats about it. I searched for a page 2 - but don't think I missed it. Thats the summary - by CNN - of the arguments why the giraffe shouldn't have been killed.

Wow. Am I just being biased because I already made up my mind - or is this really super weak? There's nothing even to argue against - there's no 'meat' on these points!

- Drelda
 
While the animal lovers seethe with indignation at those mean old zookeepers who killed the cuddly wuddly widdle giraffe, I doubt they've thought for two seconds about what would happen if they had let him live.

Within the next year or so cute little Marius would grow into a sexually mature 4000 lb bull fueled by hormones to start sniffing and slurping every female's urine to see who's ovulating, and aggressively fighting every other male (and zookeepers) with deadly force to try to keep them away from “his girls”.

These same people would then probably complain about Marius acting all icky and horny and mean and scary in front of their children.

I highly encourage anyone that thinks herbivores are sweet gentle majestic creatures to spend half an hour in close quarters with even a pygmy rutting buck goat.

There's a reason zookeepers and farmers alike only keep a few selected desired intact males around for breeding.
 
My comments on the above:

As the head of the European endangered species program for giraffes stated in press, Marius was not from a rare sub-species.

Given that zoos claim that animals are kept in order to support the conservation of threatened species, it is therefore unclear why any member of Marius' subspecies should be held captive at all.

All large wild animals are potentially threatened, and of course preservation is not the only mission of ZOOs.

It was further confirmed that a contraceptive for giraffes has been developed in the last few years which allows females to be safely injected at a distance thus suggesting that Marius' birth was not inevitable.

Nobody said so. However, some girafees need to be born, since ZOO populations are meant to be self-sustaining. Obviously, it cannot always be predicted which individual animal may become redundant. Accidents, diseases happen; ZOOs need to be sure there is a reasonable stock to pick from.

The director of EAZA supported the stance that Marius had to die and encouraged people to consider the "bigger picture." But EAZA itself is less than consistent in its approach to inbreeding and, indeed, in its concern for the ultimate fate of animals in its member zoos.

Obviously irrelevant. Copenhagen ZOO was consistent.

EAZA and similar zoo bodies discourage member zoos from deliberately breeding white lions; a practice which is recognized as involving inbreeding in order to perpetuate the unusual white coloring of the animals involved.
Due to the serious welfare implications and the lack of conservation value of inbred animals, breeding of white lions is theoretically not allowed in EAZA zoos. In practice, both West Midland Safari Park and Paradise Wildlife Park in the UK breed white lions.


Irrelevant. When breeding very rare species, obviously some inbreeding must be accepted, since there is simply not enough stock to take from. It may be discussed if such breeding should take place, but this is obviously irrelevant for the case at hand.

Both are EAZA members and yet, despite vociferously supporting the killing of Marius to prevent the same problem, a blind eye has been turned by EAZA to the persistent inbreeding of other species in its zoos. White lions are, perhaps tellingly, a great crowd pleaser.

Well, I have news for this author: ZOOs are not free to run. In fact they are quite expensive. Like it or not, there has to be some consideration for the box office, too.

In 2012 West Midland Safari Park were revealed to have sent four white lions to a circus trainer, who sent them on to a Japanese circus. That the safari park remains an EAZA member means that the rules on sending animals to non-EAZA collections are not consistently applied.

Irrelevant.

Despite this, no exception was made for Marius.

Because two wrongs don't make a right.


t has long been recognised that conservation success is achieved not in city centre zoos or safari parks, but in natural habitats. We would urge anyone with a passion for conservation to support effective in situ efforts which are truly making a positive impact on species conservation.

OK, what is your contribution? Wildlife conservation is EXPENSIVE. This means that we need to have contributions from the public, possibly as state grants, but guess where the money comes from, ultimately.

How are you really going to make people and coming generations interested in wildlife conservation, if they can't go somewhere and see a real animal?

Hans
 
A man walks into a bar with a giraffe. They both get pissed. The giraffe falls over. The man goes to leave and the bartender says, "Oi. You can't leave that lyin' there." And the man says, "No. It's not a lion. It's a giraffe."
 
People are upset at 1-year-old Marius being dressed for the carnival as Marius, the giraffe.
In spite of another giraffe called Marius being slaughtered in another Danish zoo in February, numerologists declare that Marius is a very lucky name.
 
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I saw a documentary about the dry season in Africa, a dying elephant lying by a water hole was eaten alive by lions (who started at the tail so the elephant couldn't bite). Nature is vicious
I wish to offer a correction.
Nature is vicious.
Lions were hungry.
 
The Scientific Director of Copenhagen Zoo went on Channel 4 news yesterday. That was a bemusing experience...


If there are any Brits here that watch Channel4 news, could you give me your overall impressions of the newsreader, Matt Frei, that interviewed the director of the zoo.

I have found a few interviews on youtube that he has done and my first impression is that he has a tendency to be loud, to interrupt his subject and in this case to accuse his subject of using terminology that he, himself, used. I wonder what his reputation is in blighty. In the interview with Holst, I think he was being a right git.

I have been having a 'discussion' with a very old friend about this case, and even at 7,000 miles difference, it has become somewhat heated.

PD
 

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