Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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JihadJane said:
Judging by the amount and how much of it goes unpunished, one could argue that Americans love police assault.
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Are you following the DOJ taking over the SPD? It was all about police dealings with minorities.
 
souldonut said:
Saw this on "IIP"
http://www.umbrialeft.it/notizie/meredith-csm-acquisirà-interviste-del-giudice-nencini

From my translation of the translation, there are three (?) investigations occurring about Nencini's chat with the press? Apparently this includes an investigation by the Attorney General of the Supreme Court Gianfranco Ciani. Hopefully something positive comes out of this, although it's hard to get optimistic about anything right now.
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It seems to me its just more legal bs and more courtroom charges to increase the backlog of the Italian courts....look at Mignini's charges going on for years only to be ignored due to time limits or something. Its a joke really. Im not saying Italy is worse than everyone else, its just this case is Italy in the spotlight and it looks like a monkey circus and incredibly inefficient.

Rudy Guede is free, so what does that say about Italys justice for Meredith?
Even Massei, a PGP hero, said Rudy was the main evil. And yet here he is walking out of prison with a free college degree?

I suppose on a positive note this current system is better than the torture chambers before, but its still a monkey circus.
 
Andrea Vogt is doing a BBC documentary for Feb 17 (Channel 3) on, "Is Amanda Knox guilty?"

Lyle and Stephanie Kercher will be on it. Hopefully they will focus on Meredith, and stay away from claiming evidence. I hope they clarify the comments they've made about how the Italian system is a mystery to them - I mean, they have had lawyers.

It's a good thing there's never been a PR campaign against Sollecito and Know. I mean, this is the BBC! Will Raffaele even get a mention? Will they express concern that Rudy Guede's about to be released?

Will Vogt tell us who Edward McCall is?
 
Diocletus said:
Was this bra clasp assigned any sort of exhibit identifier prior to November 6?
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A statement I remember is that the clasp didn't need a separate identification because the bra already had one. Don't recall the source or context though.
 
Bill Williams said:
Back when Cassazione reversed the acquittals, Piers Morgan had Jeffrey Toobin and Glora Allred on to put this in perspective.

Allred addressed this point. She related her own experience in some sort of business start-up she'd attempted there, and specifically cited the legal climate.

Ok, that only one anecdotal thing. But business people need to know, both foreign and local, that if anything went wrong in one's business, or if some sort of criminal activity was claimed to have been associated with it - one can be tied up in Italian courts for decades.
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I just read in one testimony that they went back to the cottage on November 10 to rescue the cat.
 
Dan O. said:
A statement I remember is that the clasp didn't need a separate identification because the bra already had one. Don't recall the source or context though.
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Hmm. Really? They gave each of the basically-identical "cat's blood" spots on the outside steps its own field exhibit number. It raises my BS meter if that is the excuse for not having a number/letter assigned to a clasp that had separated from the bra.
 
Dan O. said:
I just read in one testimony that they went back to the cottage on November 10 to rescue the cat.
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What? Who went back?

Are they saying that they left the cat locked in there from the crime discovery through the 10th?
 
Massei on one vs several attackers

The Central Scrutinizer said:
Brilliant lawyer Alan Dershowitz says there is plenty of evidence that twice-convicted murderer Amanda Knox is a murderer http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/01/31/ctw-meredith-kercher-amanda-knox-retrial-verdict-dershowitz.cnn.html

Sorry CTers.
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Professor Dershowitz started from a dubious assumption about the number of attackers. This question was not addressed in an adversarial fashion in Guede's trial (both prosecution and defense were happy to accept multiple attackers, although from different reasons). However, the convicting judge in 2009 wrote, "The consultants and forensic scientists have asserted that from the point of view of forensic science, it cannot be ruled out that the author of the injuries could have been a single attacker, because the bruises and the wounds from a pointed and cutting weapon are not in themselves incompatible with the action of a single person. With regard to this, it is nevertheless observed that the contribution of each discipline is specifically in the domain of the specific competence of that discipline, and in fact the consultants and forensic experts concentrated their attention on the aspects specifically belonging to forensic science: time of death, cause of death, elements indicating sexual violence, the injuries present on the body of the victim, and the causes and descriptions of these.

The answer given above concerning the possibility of their being inflicted by the action of a single person or by more than one was given in relation to these specific duties and questions, which belong precisely to the domain of forensic science, and the meaning of this answer was thus that there are no scientific elements arising directly from forensic science which could rule out the injuries having been caused by the action of a single person."
 
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The Central Scrutinizer said:
Brilliant lawyer Alan Dershowitz says there is plenty of evidence that twice-convicted murderer Amanda Knox is a murderer http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/01/31/ctw-meredith-kercher-amanda-knox-retrial-verdict-dershowitz.cnn.html

Sorry CTers.
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The way you presented that, it is an argument from authority especially since it appears as if he does not have legitimate reasons.

I suspect that he thinks the Norfolk Four were guilty as well.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Brilliant lawyer Alan Dershowitz says there is plenty of evidence that twice-convicted murderer Amanda Knox is a murderer http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/01/31/ctw-meredith-kercher-amanda-knox-retrial-verdict-dershowitz.cnn.html

Sorry CTers.
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I'm a strong believer in incompetence in this case with little to no conspiracy.

Since you find it entertaining to come here with nothing that illuminates the details of the case, you probably won't answer any questions about what Alan said, but I'll give it a try.

This is from a story on Nov. 8, 2007 and the same facts were widely reported. No PGP has produced any account that varied significantly.

“Lots of people came and went through her house and she was unfortunately at the crossroads when this group came together.” De Felice also confirmed the contents of the statements that had been published in Italian newspapers but refused to add any further detail.

He said that the three had continually changed their stories and that things “just didn’t add up.” He explained:”Initially the American gave a version of events which we knew was not correct. “She buckled and made an admission of facts that we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in.​

Alan relies on the accusation as significant evidence. Can you explain how the police could know that Patrick was involved in the murder before Amanda told them? If the police were convinced of his involvement before she spoke to them and they "made her buckle" doesn't that lead a reasonable person to think the police caused her to agree with them and finger Patrick?

She wrote notes that described the interrogation including good cop bad cop play and being hit on the head. She couldn't know that there were no recordings so one would think it wouldn't be something to lie about as she would be caught out.

Nice avatar.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Brilliant lawyer Alan Dershowitz says there is plenty of evidence that twice-convicted murderer Amanda Knox is a murderer
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Brilliant lawyer +
Plenty of evidence

Contradiction in terms.
Sorry, CS. If he were brilliant, he'd know there's no evidence at all. Ergo, not brilliant. Your scrutinizer needs a tuneup.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Brilliant lawyer Alan Dershowitz says there is plenty of evidence that twice-convicted murderer Amanda Knox is a murderer http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/01/31/ctw-meredith-kercher-amanda-knox-retrial-verdict-dershowitz.cnn.html

Sorry CTers.
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Dershowitz was wrong about slug Angela Corey's affidavit of "Infomation" in the Zimmerman case, and he is wrong about this case as well. If he ever said OJ didn't do it, he was wrong about that, too. :)
 
Also... on Dershowitz. I don't think he knows anything about the case. I think he is a pretty smart man and should be able to see right through this.
 
Diocletus said:
What? Who went back?

Are they saying that they left the cat locked in there from the crime discovery through the 10th?
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I think it was Ficarra, one other inspector, two of the boys from downstairs and the mother of one that brought the carrier. I couldn't tell from the google-fish translation if they were able to recover the cat.
 
Grinder said:
I'm a strong believer in incompetence in this case with little to no conspiracy.
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I've never been able to decide on that topic, incompetence or conspiracy.
The burnt hardrives, not one but three or four. Yet the forensic team made a mess of things but then the Stefonani did lie on the stand, and Mignini did lie on CNN about the interrogation / the "budget lie".

Could it be both?
 
JREF2010 said:
I've never been able to decide on that topic, incompetence or conspiracy.
The burnt hardrives, not one but three or four. Yet the forensic team made a mess of things but then the Stefonani did lie on the stand, and Mignini did lie on CNN about the interrogation / the "budget lie".

Could it be both?
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I believe that there is a certain level of complicit covering for incompetence and malfeasance. I am not sure that anybody is deliberately trying to frame someone they know is innocent.
 
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