Looking for Skeptics

[Patchwork Moth]

The trouble is that although I could get a family member who is in touch with Chris French, Richard Wiseman and other anomalistic researchers to put together a team to investigate- the outcome, in the end, wouldn't be any different to what we have seen already on this thread.

Ethically they would need to assess Flaccon's mental state before they could set up trials. After the trials I don't believe that she is in a place that will accept any result other than 'the spooks do it'. Tests would be conducted, it would be proved nothing changed (this is based on attempts here to come up with simple test where the spooks have said they refuse to join in, or noise files are demonstrated not to change) but Flaccon would simply go somewhere else to get the confirmation she needs.

I think it is too important to Flaccon that she is the centre of this paranormal hub to allow discrepancies between what others prove and her own feelings. It's all a bit sad really.

 

[Biscuit]

@Biscuit:

How very dare you! Reno Researchers Inc are not a con. We are a highly trained group, experienced in spirits of all kinds and we have devices. DEVICES, I tell you!

Well when you say "devices" that changes things doesn't it!? If the devices require money to work and include a credit card slot than the ghost hunting is totes legit.

 

[Reno]

Don't need no wise frenchmen. RRI is ready to roll.

 

[Reno]

@Biscuit:

RRI has devices that beep and flash and click and whirr. You need to keep up with this thread.

Also, we are happy to take pure cash for our expenses - no need to worry about silly credit cards or cheques you know.

 

[barehl]

Who are the experienced paranormal investigators here?

I've already mentioned that I live everyday in a house that others have claimed is haunted. Apparently you also live in a house that others have claimed is haunted. That seems like relevant experience to me.

I don't have much cash but I don't mind paying expenses for these experienced investigators to brave up and collect the evidence first-hand.

The fact that you claim that they need to be brave shows that your "investigation" was doomed before it even started. Bravery is not required.

No team can help this situation

Tell me what help you need and I'll see if I can.

they ready to spread the word the minute this hits the press. If you still don't care to believe any of this, please give those who do care, a fair chance.

Chances are not required. Fake ghost stories "hit the press" almost daily. This includes even the over-hyped claims such as those involving the movie, Amityville Horror. Do you have any idea how many fake investigators came out of the woodwork when that movie was released with the claim that it was "based on actual events"? Fake shows like Ghost Hunters only add more nonsense to this topic.

 

[barehl]

Tremendous post, and one deserving more attention than it is getting.

Thank you.

I still travel to mostly the same places that were scary before and occasionally navigate them in the dark (including very scary basements).

I always did the laundry because my late wife was afraid to go into the basement even during the daytime.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I always did the laundry because my late wife was afraid to go into the basement even during the daytime.

Must remember to try that one out on my wife...

 

[Cassidy]

Tremendous post, and one deserving more attention than it is getting.

I grew up in an old house, and my parents live in one about a century old (hush up you Europeans and your millenia-old cottages). As my previous post said, I also grew up a believer. I was tremendously afraid of the dark and all the bumpity things that dwelt therein. Now that I have shed my belief I still travel to mostly the same places that were scary before and occasionally navigate them in the dark (including very scary basements). The disappointing reality now is that I am still afraid of the dark. The liberating reality is that the fear subsides when I remind myself it is unfounded. It is amazing the places I have gone without encountering a ghost even though I have an underlying fear of them.

For flaccon directly: Fear of a thing is not the thing itself. Misperception of a thing is not the thing itself. Existence of PI charlatans who misuse tools to fool the gullible is not evidence of P.

Yea I took time and replied to this but it wouldn't post or save. I,ve started writing on notepad then pasting to here.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

I always did the laundry because my late wife was afraid to go into the basement even during the daytime.

And you say your house is not haunted...?

 

[Dissolution]

Yea I took time and replied to this but it wouldn't post or save.

Ooh, spooky!

 

[Cassidy]

Depends what you mean by "experienced paranormal investigators." If you mean those with the actual knowledge, skills, and abilities to investigate what some see as paranormal activity, there are numerous on this thread; I am among the lesser lights.

If, on the other hand, you mean those who believe in the paranormal and have apparently successfully looked for and found it, then I'm your man. I was a very strong believer credited with the ability not only to sense ghosts but sometimes to raise them. I will stack my expertise against any of your professional PIs any day.

It's not really a competition Garrette. I'm grateful for their help. Are you implying that you "know" spirits/entities exist? Are you a team in the UK?

 

[Dissolution]

It's not really a competition Garrette. I'm grateful for their help. Are you implying that you "know" spirits/entities exist? Are you a team in the UK?

And therein lies the problem. They're only experts if they accept the existence of entities that there's no proof of.
You're looking for confirmation, not investigation, Flaccon.

 

[Pixel42]

Garrette does not believe in spirits, flaccon. He's claiming to be a paranormal investigator in order to demonstrate how easy it is to claim to be a paranormal investigator. Anyone can do it.

Why won't you identify the paranormal investigator(s) and/or reporter(s) who are "helping" you?

 

[Cassidy]

And therein lies the problem. They're only experts if they accept the existence of entities that there's no proof of.
You're looking for confirmation, not investigation, Flaccon.[/QUOTE

A years evidence piled up, including messages date-stamped pre certain events. I'm looking for help to deal with it. Sadly I'm having to seek confirmation/ investigation to find the real help.

 

[Cassidy]

Garrette does not believe in spirits, flaccon. He's claiming to be a paranormal investigator in order to demonstrate how easy it is to claim to be a paranormal investigator. Anyone can do it.

Why won't you identify the paranormal investigator(s) and/or reporter(s) who are "helping" you?

Thanks ok. The investigators have recently merged with another group, so I've no idea. The news reporter has a right for privacy for now but I assure you, the press will expose this for the sake of the people (and yes this thread too) including the recordings heard clear as day where the spirits were actually debating with you guys, to the point of sarcasm.

 

[Loss Leader]

Thanks ok. The investigators have recently merged with another group, so I've no idea.

You don't know the names of the investigators you've been working with? Even if you don't know the name of their new corporate group, surely you must know the names of the individuals.

 

[Pixel42]

Thanks ok.

You're welcome, though the fact that were unable to detect the sarcasm yourself is concerning.

The investigators have recently merged with another group, so I've no idea.

You have people coming to your home on Friday and you have no idea who they are? Do you think that's wise? What are their names? What are their qualifications? What evidence of previous investigations did they give you?

The news reporter has a right for privacy for now but I assure you, the press will expose this for the sake of the people (and yes this thread too) including the recordings heard clear as day where the spirits were actually debating with you guys, to the point of sarcasm.

This is pure fantasy, flaccon. No-one here ever heard your imagined spirit voices, let alone debated with them.

 

[Cassidy]

The trouble is that although I could get a family member who is in touch with Chris French, Richard Wiseman and other anomalistic researchers to put together a team to investigate- the outcome, in the end, wouldn't be any different to what we have seen already on this thread.

Ethically they would need to assess Flaccon's mental state before they could set up trials. After the trials I don't believe that she is in a place that will accept any result other than 'the spooks do it'. Tests would be conducted, it would be proved nothing changed (this is based on attempts here to come up with simple test where the spooks have said they refuse to join in, or noise files are demonstrated not to change) but Flaccon would simply go somewhere else to get the confirmation she needs.

I think it is too important to Flaccon that she is the centre of this paranormal hub to allow discrepancies between what others prove and her own feelings. It's all a bit sad really.

If this wasn't my late Father speaking, I'd have moved house again and this thread wouldn't be happening. Please don't think I didn't question my sanity, its the first thing I did, AND went voluntary into psychiatry. The evidence is real enough to know its not a medical problem. Their latest is breaking diamonds and even this is hand waved away as my imagination. If anyone helps me, or bears witness to any of this, they are considered incompetent or as deluded as myself. I can't stress enough how serious this is, and like I keep trying to say, it isn't just me in the firing line.

 

[Cassidy]

You're welcome, though the fact that were unable to detect the sarcasm yourself is concerning.


You have people coming to your home on Friday and you have no idea who they are? Do you think that's wise? What are their names? What are their qualifications? What evidence of previous investigations did they give you?


This is pure fantasy, flaccon. No-one here ever heard your imagined spirit voices, let alone debated with them.

What's pure fantasy? that discussion we had when the spirits refused to play the card tricks? and suggested they make flash cards for sceptics? Or are you referring to the time Alderbank threatened the police and the spirits got sarcastic about it? Or are you referring to the whole lot? Believe me or not, if I was capable of this sort of imagination (with solid evidence) I'd put it to better use than this, or at the very least. get on with my own work.

 

[Pixel42]

What's pure fantasy? that discussion we had when the spirits refused to play the card tricks? and suggested they make flash cards for sceptics? Or are you referring to the time Alderbank threatened the police and the spirits got sarcastic about it? Or are referring to the whole lot? Believe me or not, if I was capable of this sort of imagination (with solid evidence) I'd put it to better use than this.

I'm referring to the recordings which you have shared which you claimed contained spirit voices but which actually contained absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.

You've claimed to have heard the spirits say all sorts of things, but you have offered nothing in support of those claims except example after example of straightforward pareidolia.