Iran Navy to Patrol US Borders

[BStrong]

Things would end pretty much like this:

 

[Diogenes]

...with a train of pervert boats following them everywhere.

There probably already is one, it is just submerged.

 

[Rat]

Things would end pretty much like this:

Why does that video refer to the rounds being "Good old American tungsten"? I'm pretty sure that Tungsten generally comes from China. You're probably destroying Iranian shipping with Good Old Chinese Tungsten.

 

[jj]

"To Iranian vessel, this is United States vessel. Do you require assistance?"
"United States vessel, this is Iranian vessel. We do not require assistance at this time."
"Iranian vessel, this is United States vessel. So your ship is supposed to look like that?"

Indeed, that's what I was thinking. Just tag along, keep asking them if they need help.

 

[jj]

I give 'em props for that as well. And it's just a statement, let 'em do it. Maybe the crews are enjoying it too, bit of scenery change.

But... has the question of "Can they supply them?" been decided?

The solution is for us to help them, visibly, publically, obviously, on TV.

"We're sorry you're out of bunker oil, here would you like to buy some?"
"How about some fresh vegetables, and something with some vitamin C in it?"
"Would you like a quick tow back into the Med?"

 

[arthwollipot]

As for the targets, I mean Iranian ships, they can read Jane's as well as the next person, so they know they're alive anywhere on the planet only with our permission.

I would find this statement highly offensive if it weren't so true.

 

[Jim_MDP]

The solution is for us to help them, visibly, publically, obviously, on TV.

"We're sorry you're out of bunker oil, here would you like to buy some?"
"How about some fresh vegetables, and something with some vitamin C in it?"
"Would you like a quick tow back into the Med?"

You all are being so mean.

I really don't hold it against them for wanting to make a statement like this as long as they don't push too far, like the comment about blockading the Gulf.

Then we end up here...

I would find this statement highly offensive if it weren't so true.

... or more precisely, Gawdzilla's statement.


International diplomacy... it's a funny old thing.

 

[Giz]

To be honest, I think it's probably worth bragging about. Having a system of naval operations capable of deploying a vessel on a long-range cruise is no mean feat. It is a notably first-world privilege to have navies of such size and power that we are able to take such a thing for granted. And apparently even the US Navy has ships that cannot deploy across the Gulf of Mexico without breaking down.

Can the Iranian navy go toe to toe with the US navy, at home or abroad? Probably not. Is it still a feat worth boasting about, to deploy a naval vessel from Iran to US territorial waters? I think so.

Is it such an accomplishment? I mean, they wont be fighting or have the ability to meaningfully project power so there's no need for hefty resupply or repair/refit capability (so it's less remarkable than say, Drake's cruising in the 1500's). Perhaps it's more akin to the difficulty level of running a very small cruise ship (but far less mouths to feed and presumably less picky mouths, so still not as difficult).

 

[marplots]

Things would end pretty much like this:

American tungsten? Hardly. China is far and away the largest producer. I don't think we even have a single commercial mine for the stuff in the US. Silly nationalism is silly.

ETA: Seriously ninja'd

 

[Jim_MDP]

Is it such an accomplishment? I mean, they wont be fighting or have the ability to meaningfully project power so there's no need for hefty resupply or repair/refit capability ...

Just having it half way around the world is the projection of power.

And how do we know this isn't a sneaky attack to take over some Caribbean nation?

 

[theprestige]

Is it such an accomplishment? I mean, they wont be fighting or have the ability to meaningfully project power so there's no need for hefty resupply or repair/refit capability (so it's less remarkable than say, Drake's cruising in the 1500's). Perhaps it's more akin to the difficulty level of running a very small cruise ship (but far less mouths to feed and presumably less picky mouths, so still not as difficult).

I think it's a notable accomplishment. It marks a step up for any Navy. Having once proven they can do it, the course is charted from a navy that patrols its home waters only, to one that has if not a global reach, at least a regional presence.

China recently landed a jet aircraft on a carrier for the first time. This puts them on par with the US circa 1945. But it's still a notable accomplishment, and it's still a necessary, and important step on the road to full carrier flight operations.

Taking necessary steps towards greater capability, and doing so successfully, is worth boasting about, at least a little bit.

And it resists the boundaries imposed on Iran by other powers. An Iranian navy that can visit US territorial waters is an Iranian navy that can patrol the Indian Ocean. It is, increasingly, an Iranian navy that can push ever harder against the will and resolve of the American government.

It's easy enough for the US to lord it over waters where no other navy of any importance cares to oppose it. Much harder to do when the Iranian navy is provably in a position to claim equal rights to patrol those waters, and insists upon enforcing its own security.

This isn't a message about being able to reach the US. It's a message about establishing a greater, more serious presence closer to home.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

To be honest, I think it's probably worth bragging about.

No, it's not. Tramp steamers and private yachts do it all the time.

Having a system of naval operations capable of deploying a vessel on a long-range cruise is no mean feat.

People sail around the world alone. Some young woman did it a few years ago. I don't thing she was in the Iranian Navy, however.

 

[beachnut]

Maybe they are defecting.

 

[Jim_MDP]

No, it's not. Tramp steamers and private yachts do it all the time.

And if I had a yacht, I'd like it heavily armed, but I don't think I'd be allowed. I don't see anyone telling Iran their Naval vessel has to disarm. Apples and oranges, eh?

 

[BStrong]

Why does that video refer to the rounds being "Good old American tungsten"? I'm pretty sure that Tungsten generally comes from China. You're probably destroying Iranian shipping with Good Old Chinese Tungsten.

They might be operating on the premise that since the rounds are US manufacture, the components are MIUSA.

I've had a bunch of experience with large caliber tungsten combloc rounds (14.5mm) but the Mk211 .50 cal round penetrates better on the same material at a lower cost per round, from a lighter (M2 or M82/107) platform.

 

[jhunter1163]

I really don't hold it against them for wanting to make a statement like this as long as they don't push too far, like the comment about blockading the Gulf.

I'm quite sure that they're well aware that the slightest hostile move will lead to immediate revocation of their permission to remain afloat.

 

[jj]

There probably already is one, it is just submerged.

Doubt there are perverts involved, but there's probably one shadowing them right now. My guess it is one that doesn't need to surface, goes faster than the Frigate, and has more teeth than a great white.

 

[Diogenes]

Doubt there are perverts involved, but there's probably one shadowing them right now. My guess it is one that doesn't need to surface, goes faster than the Frigate, and has more teeth than a great white.

I don't know, those submariners are usually bragging about how much more pervy they can be than those of us on the surface.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And if I had a yacht, I'd like it heavily armed, but I don't think I'd be allowed. I don't see anyone telling Iran their Naval vessel has to disarm. Apples and oranges, eh?

Not my point at all.

 

[Sherman Bay]

A warship of even modest size would overmatch a speed boat with a bunch of civilians in it.

My Jetski can do 54MPH, and it's small and old. Newer ones can go in the 70's. Cigarette boats top 100MPH easily. How many warships do you know that can maintain those speeds?