WTC Dust Study Feb 29, 2012 by Dr. James Millette

[DaveThomasNMSR]

Hi gang,
We all know the DSC images comparing and superimposing known nanothermite to the red-grey chips, how they are off by over 100 degrees C and off by a factor of two to five re energy release. I've been looking for other DSC images of paint, kaolin/expoxy, organic compounds, etc to see if there are any materials whose exothermic curve looks at all similar to these DSC images we already know (in temperature range and energy release). Can anyone help in this research?

Chris, have you seen this DSC of thermite itself on my Thermite page?

Cheers, Dave

 

[GlennB]

The resistivity measurement was a useful but unnecessary aid in selecting candidate red chip material.

And you repeat that falsehood for the 20th time, with weasel words. Just the same as Blair when he said "We have to accept we may never find WMD in Iraq". There never were any, but phrasing it with those weasel words saves him a shred of dignity (I suppose).

Resistivity was never a part of "selecting candidate red chips". Never, not as published. The only thing we know is that it was performed on one chip that had already been selected by the published protocol.

Even Harrit appears to concede this point. Why can't you?

 

[Spanx]

And you repeat that falsehood for the 20th time, with weasel words. Just the same as Blair when he said "We have to accept we may never find WMD in Iraq". There never were any, but phrasing it with those weasel words saves him a shred of dignity (I suppose).

Resistivity was never a part of "selecting candidate red chips". Never, not as published. The only thing we know is that it was performed on one chip that had already been selected by the published protocol.

Even Harrit appears to concede this point. Why can't you?

MM caught the red herring thrown by Steven Jones at 911blogger.....

Prof Jones : Also, we checked the electrical resistivity of several paints – consistently orders of magnitude higher than that of the red material. We reported the resistivity of the red material in our paper, page 27 in the Journal. Millette did not report any electrical resistivity measurements. This measurement is rather easy to do so I was surprised when he failed to do this straightforward test. There is a lot of red material of various types in the WTC dust, so one must be careful to make sure it is the same as what we studied, and not some other material.

Being a loyal truther he put his own spin on it and made the truth movement look even more dishonest than they already are

 

[DGM]

And you repeat that falsehood for the 20th time, with weasel words. Just the same as Blair when he said "We have to accept we may never find WMD in Iraq". There never were any, but phrasing it with those weasel words saves him a shred of dignity (I suppose).

Resistivity was never a part of "selecting candidate red chips". Never, not as published. The only thing we know is that it was performed on one chip that had already been selected by the published protocol.

Even Harrit appears to concede this point. Why can't you?

MM caught the red herring thrown by Steven Jones at 911blogger.....



Being a loyal truther he put his own spin on it and made the truth movement look even more dishonest than they already are

In the interest of maybe moving forward, wouldn't it be best to accept this "olive branch" and move on?

He accepts it was not a criterion for selection.

Maybe now we can see why he thinks the EDX spectrums are not the same.

I expect slow progress but, progress it is none the same.

 

[GlennB]

In the interest of maybe moving forward, wouldn't it be best to accept this "olive branch" and move on?

He accepts it was not a criterion for selection.

Absolutely not

He said "The resistivity measurement was a useful but unnecessary aid in selecting candidate red chip material. "

My bolding.

This is a total falsehood according to all documented evidence. He is suggesting it was a selection criterion.

 

[DGM]

OK:

I can see only one way to settle this.

MM: From the paper that Millette was asked to duplicate. Could you please quote the selection criterion? (please don't add lib)

Naturally you must agree this information had to be included in the paper in order for it to be repeatable.

 

[rogers619]

From what i have read about Basile's study, he doesnt require that to be part of the selection process nor does he even mention doing a resistivity test(Unless I am mistaken).

Sample Preparation:

- Red/gray chip separation using optical microscopy and magnetic attraction to assist in isolation of particles of interest.

- Optical images of collected particulates as collected at appropriate magnifications to record condition as collected.

Sample Analysis:

- SEM/EDX with elemental quantification of red/gray chips, both red and gray layers.

- FTIR analysis of organic components of red/gray chips, both red and gray layers.

- ESCA small spot technique with argon ion sputter for depth profiling to definitively establish the presence of elemental aluminum within the red layer of the red/gray chips. Scans of gray layer also to be taken to add to information base.

- DSC analysis of red/gray chips focusing on exothermic/endothermic reactions near 400 degrees C. Some chips to be scanned in inert atmosphere and some in air or oxygen containing gas stream.

- SEM/EDX with elemental quantification of residual products of DSC analysis of red/gray chips.

- Optical images of reaction products after DSC experiments.

Since the test was only brought up after the fact that Millette presented his findings and had people like Jones and MM flabbergasted that he didnt do such a simple test, how do they feel about Basile's procedures that doesnt include the test?(Once again unless i missed where he was suggesting this, my lab experience is very minimal).

 

[DGM]

From what i have read about Basile's study, he doesnt require that to be part of the selection process nor does he even mention doing a resistivity test(Unless I am mistaken).



Since the test was only brought up after the fact that Millette presented his findings and had people like Jones and MM flabbergasted that he didnt do such a simple test, how do they feel about Basile's procedures that doesnt include the test?(Once again unless i missed where he was suggesting this, my lab experience is very minimal).

There was another study done (I'm too lazy to look up the name now) that also tried to duplicate the results. The difference was he was supplied by the original scientists. He did not come to the same results and it was concluded that someone had to have tampered with the chips. (In the mail if memory serves).

 

[GlennB]

There was another study done (I'm too lazy to look up the name now) that also tried to duplicate the results. The difference was he was supplied by the original scientists. He did not come to the same results and it was concluded that someone had to have tampered with the chips. (In the mail if memory serves).

Henryco (uannier)?

 

[Senenmut]

There was another study done (I'm too lazy to look up the name now) that also tried to duplicate the results. The difference was he was supplied by the original scientists. He did not come to the same results and it was concluded that someone had to have tampered with the chips. (In the mail if memory serves).

henryco's study. and he did say they might have intercepted his dust in the mail.....which is not that far fetched since this came to light.


just substitute "computer" with "wtc dust"!! whether it happened on his end with his countrys intel service or over here, who knows. henryco has his suspicions.

"Old-fashioned methods get a mention too. Der Spiegel said that if the NSA tracked a target ordering a new computer or other electronic accessories, TAO could tap its allies in the FBI and the CIA, intercept the hardware in transit, and take it to a secret workshop where it could be discretely fitted with espionage software before being sent on its way."

http://news.yahoo.com/report-nsa-intercepts-computer-deliveries-160237344--finance.html

 

[MarkLindeman]

just substitute "computer" with "wtc dust"!!

Umm, OK:

"Old-fashioned methods get a mention too. Der Spiegel said that if the NSA tracked a target ordering a new computer or other electronic accessories WTC dust, TAO could tap its allies in the FBI and the CIA, intercept the hardware dust in transit, and take it to a secret workshop where it could be discreetly fitted with espionage software before being sent on its way."

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

It's not beyond the realm of possibility that someone could have tampered with Henryco's samples -- or with Harrit et al.'s -- but it seems like special pleading.

 

[DGM]

henryco's study. and he did say they might have intercepted his dust in the mail.....which is not that far fetched since this came to light.


just substitute "computer" with "wtc dust"!! whether it happened on his end with his countrys intel service or over here, who knows. henryco has his suspicions.

"Old-fashioned methods get a mention too. Der Spiegel said that if the NSA tracked a target ordering a new computer or other electronic accessories, TAO could tap its allies in the FBI and the CIA, intercept the hardware in transit, and take it to a secret workshop where it could be discretely fitted with espionage software before being sent on its way."

http://news.yahoo.com/report-nsa-intercepts-computer-deliveries-160237344--finance.html

I could see it if this somehow would be considered a threat to national security. "Truthers" haven't gotten any where near this.

Even if this guy confirmed the study. Who would be paying attention?

 

[kid meatball]

henryco's study. and he did say they might have intercepted his dust in the mail.....which is not that far fetched since this came to light.


just substitute "computer" with "wtc dust"!! whether it happened on his end with his countrys intel service or over here, who knows. henryco has his suspicions.

"Old-fashioned methods get a mention too. Der Spiegel said that if the NSA tracked a target ordering a new computer or other electronic accessories, TAO could tap its allies in the FBI and the CIA, intercept the hardware in transit, and take it to a secret workshop where it could be discretely fitted with espionage software before being sent on its way."

http://news.yahoo.com/report-nsa-intercepts-computer-deliveries-160237344--finance.html

That could explain why my laptop took so long to arrive via Canada Post. They should have tons of fun tracking the youtube viewing habits of my three year old, the primary user of said laptop.

 

[Miragememories]

OK:

I can see only one way to settle this.

MM: From the paper that Millette was asked to duplicate. Could you please quote the selection criterion? (please don't add lib)

Naturally you must agree this information had to be included in the paper in order for it to be repeatable.

Sorry DGM but I have to ad lib.

I am at a loss to answer your question in a manner that will prove acceptable.

The 2009 Bentham paper provided all the information required for any reputable scientist with the right skill set, 9/11 WTC dust, and the necessary laboratory gear to attempt replication or debunking.

Millette determined that he could accomplish this by only taking a few steps down that path.

As things stand, we are at an impasse where you, Millette, Sunstealer etc are quite happy to believe the Dr. Harrit et al discovered paint chips.

No one here seems at all interested or concerned that "said paint chips" failed the acid test.

Apparently the fact that a renowned expert in nano science, Dr. Neils Harrit, and an independent scientist, chemist Mark Basile produced solid findings of nano-thermite after igniting this amazing steel primer paint at 430C is of no interest to Millette or anyone else but the 9/11 truth community.

I don't know about you DGM, but I WANT TO KNOW!

And it really ticks me off that people like Millette, who are in a position to put this matter to rest, are afraid to take what for them, is an easy look.

As I have said repeatedly, I want Dr. Harrit et al to be proven wrong.

Stopping at "the chips are a match and are paint" is just not good enough when respected scientists are repeatedly producing findings that totally do not match paint.

MM

 

[DGM]

Sorry DGM but I have to ad lib.

I am at a loss to answer your question in a manner that will prove acceptable.

You don't have to apologize to me. The fact you can't state from the paper how to duplicate the results says it all.

The 2009 Bentham paper provided all the information required for any reputable scientist with the right skill set, 9/11 WTC dust, and the necessary laboratory gear to attempt replication or debunking.

If the paper did you could quote it.

 

[Senenmut]

It's not beyond the realm of possibility that someone could have tampered with Henryco's samples -- or with Harrit et al.'s -- but it seems like special pleading.

or millettes samples for that matter.

 

[Miragememories]

You don't have to apologize to me. The fact you can't state from the paper how to duplicate the results says it all.

If the paper did you could quote it.

Thanks for the disingenuous response DGM.

Nothing less than I expected.

I have "frequently stated from the paper how to duplicate the results" but cannot prevent you from taking the 'blind eye' approach.

MM

 

[Miragememories]

"The EDX data Millette supplied do not show any great detail. We know that chips a-d contain strontium because we have a more detailed EDX spectrum from one of the chips:

It is important to note the very serious misrepresentation you are making here. Your so-called revelation of strontium is a false interpretation.

The EDX spectrum above is a result of jacking up the gain from a 10 keV range to 20 keV.

You will notice that the Fe, Al, Si signals are clipping as a result and that the background noise has been correspondingly elevated.

The Sr (strontium) peaks are non-existent as that is only noise and barely perceptible at that. They are only marked on the display because that is where they would have occurred IF they had been present.

You really reveal your lack of scientific integrity when you attempt such blatant dishonesty. It is particularly of concern because this was pointed out to you much earlier is this thread.

I can't help but notice Sunstealer will not man up to his dishonesty that I noted above.

MM

 

[DGM]

Thanks for the disingenuous response DGM.

Nothing less than I expected.

I have "frequently stated from the paper how to duplicate the results" but cannot prevent you from taking the 'blind eye' approach.

MM

So why can no one duplicate the results? Even when supplied by the authors?

Could it be they are wrong?

 

[DGM]

The real problem is not being able to duplicate the data in the Harrit paper. that's easy. No one can duplicate their results.