Coke creates advert that causes conservatives to go nuts

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Meanwhile, back at the OP...

The reaction to a suggestion of diversity by the extreme right wingers points out nicely how divorced they are from the reality of the US today. If the GOP keeps pandering to this small clique they are going to pander themselves out of any political power.

 

[leftysergeant]

If you find the ad offensive, I hope a pit bull takes a liking to your soft body parts.

The children who took part in producing the video seem to have enjoyed it tremendously. Let them have that joy of achievement.

One branch of my family would consider Beck and the Rushblob to be an invasive strain that were better shipped back to Europe.

 

[beachnut]

Daily Show this last week did the coke commercial. Anyone catch it?

 

[Foolmewunz]

Dear Foolmewunz,

Then, you can teach me: do you understand the meaning of √-1? I've been working with their introduction to the concept for a while now and don't quite get it.

Cpl Ferro

I fear this is off-topic in a thread about inherent racism in the reactions to a television commercial.

I doubt that you actually don't understand it. But just to play along, how do you even think that there's a "meaning" to a mathematical statement. The square root of minus one is a statement. It's answer is an imaginary number. There is no other meaning to it. Wittgenstein believed that there were no more meanings to mathematics than the mathematics (I paraphrase).

Do you think you're back in the student lounge hustling for new acolytes? Has this replaced "Double the square"? Those were fun days, but I guess they got handed their arses too many times by people who actually read Socrates. (That'll happen when you try to hustle people on a campus.) I loved when the LaRouchies pretended to be deep intellects. It was almost as fun as when they pretended to be socialists.

 

[beachnut]

... you can teach me: do you understand the meaning of √-1? ...

Like understanding the coke commercial, it takes a level of maturity to understand and appreciate the usefulness of imaginary, and complex numbers. Give it time, work harder.

Like diversity leads to success, so does maturity when it comes to math.

 

[angrysoba]

He might have a point if it were a drastically different language, such as Mandarin Chinese or Japanese, as these languages do have words for concepts that don't quite exist as-is in English and vice-versa, but as a native French speaker, I'm extremely amused by the notion that this applies to English vs French.

(I'm less amused by the bigotry, racism, and nauseating Christianity, though. That's just ick.)

As it happens, while not wanting to endorse Cpl Ferro's ideas or the strong-form of the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis, there has actually been some compelling evidence that there are subtle differences in the way one language may affect the way a person perceives the world.

I use to be a strong poo-pooer of that idea, but this video of a talk by Lera Boroditsky suggests that there can be some differences in terms of colour, gendered nouns, prepositions and identifying locations, and use of metaphor for representing time. The only one that is directly relevant as far as French is concerned is the one on gendered nouns, although I find the evidence for that in this talk and elsewhere to be the least convincing and probably unlikely to have much of an effect in our daily lives.

 

[Quinn]

If nothing else, the marketing campaign has been effective. Since the controversy began, I have had "I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing" stuck in my head at regular intervals (including now) for the first time in decades. It's not making me run out and buy Coke, but it's sure making me think about it more than usual.

 

[catsmate]

Cpl Ferro is a devoted follower of Lyndon La Rouche,one of the US's more notrious political nutcases http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche so don't expect much in the way of logic and common sense.

Ah yes, the ultimate, completely circular, USAian nutcase. Complete with Kim Jong-il-like cult of personality.
Actually I thought he was dead, but then I'm not in the USA much these days and 99.999% of the rest of the world have never heard of him.

How about, a rate of change that doesn't cause the cultural suite to disintegrate leading to social problems and a sense of malaise in people like myself?

Cultural stagnation? Not a good idea. And why are "you" the one one who gets to decide?

In the country of the mad, the sane man is called mad, dudalb.

And in the world of the sane the lunatic convicted felon with a messiah complex (and cult to match) is well, a lunatic. There's precious little "sane" in his Giant Satanic Conspiracy ravings (what's he got against the World Wildlife Fund anyway?), his Leibniz obsession, his rants about The Beatles being a British Plot, Pokémon being a child murder cult or the nascent environmental movement causing the 1979 Iranian revolutions.......

Similarly, though, in the country of the sane, the mad man is called mad. It's up to discerning readers and thinkers to figure out which one LaRouche is... ETA: Which of those categories or "countries" is the origin of the criticism of LaRouche. It would seem to be a win/win. Sane people consider him mad. Mad people consider him mad.

This is becoming known as The Amazing Conundrum, based on Randi's oft-cited statement to the effect of "Sure, they laughed at Galileo. They also laughed at Bozo the Clown." The fact that LaRouche is reviled and ridiculed does not automatically place him up there with Galileo, in other words.

I believe that's Satan's line.

 

[catsmate]

Reviled even? Jesus! Contempt before investigation, Foolmewunz. All of you, to a man, are ignorant of his ideas.

Or perhaps we're not and his ideas are idiotic nonsense to those with working brains?

My outrage at bigotry is hardly make believe. I really find it repulsive. Almost as repulsive as Coke.

Yeah it's pretty horrible crap.
On bigotry this piece of faux indignation might interest you.

If you can't see the absurdity in the idea that the globalist melting pot is not going to run out of its precious diversity once everything has slid in all directions and there's nothing you can measure any more, what can I say? We want to live in very different universes.

What?

And Wagner is not Classical. Cf. the Schiller Institute.

Oh good grief, not LaRouche's silly music played in the C=256 Hz Verdi tuning will bring about a new political and cultural renaissance crap.

Dear Foolmewunz,

Then, you can teach me: do you understand the meaning of √-1? I've been working with their introduction to the concept for a while now and don't quite get it.

Why are you trying to further derail the thread with your ignorance of complex numbers?

 

[turingtest]

If nothing else, the marketing campaign has been effective. Since the controversy began, I have had "I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing" stuck in my head at regular intervals (including now) for the first time in decades. It's not making me run out and buy Coke, but it's sure making me think about it more than usual.

It seems that it's even been effective in getting the "you kids get offa my lawn!" folks, like CplFerro, to at least confront their own ideas, if not usefully re-evaluate them. They seem to get the point that they can no longer simply take refuge in and comfort from their insularity, that it's not the default any more.

 

[rwguinn]

Like understanding the coke commercial, it takes a level of maturity to understand and appreciate the usefulness of imaginary, and complex numbers. Give it time, work harder.

Like diversity leads to success, so does maturity when it comes to math.

Both -1^.5 and cultural differences are something some of us live with and use every day...

 

[CplFerro]

I fear this is off-topic in a thread about inherent racism in the reactions to a television commercial.

I doubt that you actually don't understand it. But just to play along, how do you even think that there's a "meaning" to a mathematical statement. The square root of minus one is a statement. It's answer is an imaginary number. There is no other meaning to it. Wittgenstein believed that there were no more meanings to mathematics than the mathematics (I paraphrase).

Do you think you're back in the student lounge hustling for new acolytes? Has this replaced "Double the square"? Those were fun days, but I guess they got handed their arses too many times by people who actually read Socrates. (That'll happen when you try to hustle people on a campus.) I loved when the LaRouchies pretended to be deep intellects. It was almost as fun as when they pretended to be socialists.

Dear Foolmewunz,

I think this is relevant to the topic of pluralist humanism, in terms of what unites people rather than what divides them.

According to the Bruce Director article, the conventional understanding is that √-1 is merely an imaginary number, without reference to the physical world. According to Gauss according to Director, it refers to a geometrical coordinate. Is this not true? Have you read the Director article I'm referring to?--this one:

The Fundamental Theorem of Algebra
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fi..._017-the_fundamental_theorem_of_algeb-lar.pdf

Is Director wrong? Is Gauss wrong? Are they both wrong together?

Cpl Ferro

 

[rwguinn]

Dear Foolmewunz,

I think this is relevant to the topic of pluralist humanism, in terms of what unites people rather than what divides them.

According to the Bruce Director article, the conventional understanding is that √-1 is merely an imaginary number, without reference to the physical world. According to Gauss according to Director, it refers to a geometrical coordinate. Is this not true? Have you read the Director article I'm referring to?--this one:

The Fundamental Theorem of Algebra
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fi..._017-the_fundamental_theorem_of_algeb-lar.pdf

Is Director wrong? Is Gauss wrong? Are they both wrong together?

Cpl Ferro

Conventional understanding is completely, irrevocably wrong, and this is way the hells off topic.

 

[Border Reiver]

Dear Foolmewunz,



I think this is relevant to the topic of pluralist humanism, in terms of what unites people rather than what divides them.



Cpl Ferro

How is it relevant?

 

[drewid]

By the way, this is the funniest, and most ironic:



The Nazi thing was forgiveable, but the multicultural thing is inexcusable.

He's never going to buy Ford motor cars either.

 

[CplFerro]

How is it relevant?

Dear Reiver, it (Classical art, and science) speaks to what all humans, as humans, have in common--the world of ideas. Everything else is, from that perspective, ephemeral dreck.

Cpl Ferro

 

[babycondor]

Thread is now hopelessly derailed.

 

[mijopaalmc]

Has this replaced "Double the square"?

It think you mean "double the cube"–√2 is a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructible_number]constructible number[/url]; ∛2 is not.

 

[Border Reiver]

Dear Reiver, it (Classical art, and science) speaks to what all humans, as humans, have in common--the world of ideas. Everything else is, from that perspective, ephemeral dreck.

Cpl Ferro

Disagree, people live in the here and now - modern culture is likely more relevant to the majority of people than what some people imagine classical culture to be.

 

[CplFerro]

Disagree, people live in the here and now - modern culture is likely more relevant to the majority of people than what some people imagine classical culture to be.

Dear Reiver,

Not Classical culture meaning the culture of Classical Greece, but the Classical art that existed from the Renaissance onward, in terms of art holding ideas as referenced by the LaRoucheans. That is the higher level of universality that defeats the arbitrary pluralism of contemporary national cultures.

Cpl Ferro