Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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And you have a right to your opinion, absolutely. How does it match up against the Catholic priest who met with her every week for four years? That's hundreds of times, hundreds of hours. Have you met Amanda Knox, even one time? Spent 10 minutes with her, ever? Five minutes? One minute?



The priest compares her to Nelson Mandela.



Honestly, how dare you make a character judgment about someone you don't know and never will?


I have great difficultly taking the opinion of a man that believes in an invisible sky daddy seriously.

I've never met her but I have watched quite a bit of her testimony, interviews and written letters and writings. (I have not read anyone's book)
I have my own opinion of her. I believe her to be a narcissist.
Being a narcissist doesn't make her a murderer, and I excuse much of her "inappropriate" and odd behavior and affect.

I can't get around her lies, her callousness and her rehearsed answers & waste of time interviews and false statements.
 
Except...it was not a confession, it was a false allegation against a man she knew was innocent and lies. Very common, run of the mill, deflection tactic made by guilty suspects all the time.

Same thing with her alibi that she was unable to stick to...RS wasn't able to consistently state "we went nowhere, we stayed in all night"

If you look at the Norfolk Four

Tice confessed and implicated three more men in the crime, and insisted that the group had broken into the apartment, which contradicted with earlier evidence that showed that the apartment did not appear to have been broken into. None of the men accused of the crime matched the DNA evidence and none of the men who Tice implicated were charged in part because they all had alibis that showed that they could not committed the rape or murder
Never happens that an innocent person will blame another innocent. . . .Right

Lets go further back though to the witch trials. . . .
A "witch" was forced to implicate other "witches" during her questioning.
Do you believe that they all actually were witches who danced with Satan (or whatever silliness that the witch hunters were arguing for)
 
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Except...it was not a confession, it was a false allegation against a man she knew was innocent and lies. Very common, run of the mill, deflection tactic made by guilty suspects all the time.

She knew he was innocent? And you know this because ???? Dude, she couldn't know he was innocent, because she couldn't know anybody was innocent, because she wasn't there. She didn't know a bloody thing about what happened.

Two possibilities.
1. She was there when Meredith was murdered. If that's the case, there should be lots of physical evidence. Like, presence of Amanda in the murder room.
2. She spent the whole evening and night of the murder at Raffaele's flat. If that's the case, there should be no physical evidence of of her in the murder room.

Bingo! #2 is the winner. Nothing --not a single thing-- has ever been shown to indicate that Amanda Knox was in the murder room. If you can dispute this, please bring it. Love to see it.
 
Do you believe that innocent people never make false confessions?

Do you believe the only way they will do so is being struck or tortured?

Favorite US trick is to tell a person they failed the polygraph.

Of course, a polygraph is no more than smoke and mirrors itself.


Yes, I believe people make false confessions. Amanda didn't confess, she accused another. Two entirely different things.

No, I don't believe the only way to obtain a false confession is through the use of torture and the striking of the suspect. That's what Amanda claims happened. I do not believe her.

It seems far more reasonable to me that Amanda thought by pointing the finger at another, she would be off the hook. She was wrong.

I share your opinion on polygraphs.

Didn't Amanda claim, at one point, she would love to take one? What ever happened with that? I'm sure some media outlet would pay a pretty penny do administer it on live tv.

Maybe she could make enough to PAY the man she falsely accused.
 
I've never met her

And yet you claim that you know her better than people who have not just met her but spent hundreds of hours in her company.

Okay. I'm not a fan of the Catholic church or their daddy in the sky either, but I don't pass judgment on people I've never met. I also don't discount the judgment of a man whose life is about presence with prisoners.

He compared Knox to Mandela. That ain't nothing.
 
Why do you believe she wasn't hit? Because the police said they didn't? I can give you lots of examples where American police have hit and coerced false statements, false accusations and false statements from suspects. If it happens in the US, what makes you think that Italy is immune to such abuse?

And what story? That she remembered Patrick Lumumba killing Meredith? You know that this isn't true. So what part of their stories unraveled? Are you proud that police are able to coerce false statements? Because that story is clearly false.

And what about Raffaele's statement is false? That Amanda may have left while he was sleeping. How is that false? Other than logic later explains that unless Amanda is picking locks, it is impossible?


I don't believe her. It's not that I have blind faith in police. It's because I do not find her credible.
Liars lie.

RS created an elaborate lie, in a letter, to his father ..putting Meredith's blood on that knife.

He stated Amanda convinced him of putting forth a load of rubbish..only to flip flop again later.
 
She knew he was innocent? And you know this because ???? Dude, she couldn't know he was innocent, because she couldn't know anybody was innocent, because she wasn't there. She didn't know a bloody thing about what happened.



Two possibilities.

1. She was there when Meredith was murdered. If that's the case, there should be lots of physical evidence. Like, presence of Amanda in the murder room.

2. She spent the whole evening and night of the murder at Raffaele's flat. If that's the case, there should be no physical evidence of of her in the murder room.



Bingo! #2 is the winner. Nothing --not a single thing-- has ever been shown to indicate that Amanda Knox was in the murder room. If you can dispute this, please bring it. Love to see it.


The crime scene is bigger than just Meredith bedroom.
 
I can't get around her lies, her callousness and her rehearsed answers & waste of time interviews and false statements.


What is amazing.... and telling is what you manage to get around. I never heard any explanation of how they even knew the killer outside more then an introduction... No Facebook friends... No emails... No texts.... No known contact what so ever.... Yet some how your mind can simply gloss right over that... and of course the insane timeline....

And of course you can't take anyone who believes in sky daddy seriously... Except of course the crazy prosecutor.
 
What makes a priest's opinion more relevant that any other person in the street? He heard her confession. Big deal.



Quoting a priest as an authority isn't going to go down well in this forum.


I did get a good belly laugh though...so all was not lost;)
 
And you have a right to your opinion, absolutely. How does it match up against the Catholic priest who met with her every week for four years? That's hundreds of times, hundreds of hours. Have you met Amanda Knox, even one time? Spent 10 minutes with her, ever? Five minutes? One minute?



The priest compares her to Nelson Mandela.



Honestly, how dare you make a character judgment about someone you don't know and never will?


If he really wanted to impress..he shoulda likened her to Jesus! Lmao!
 
I don't believe her. It's not that I have blind faith in police. It's because I do not find her credible.
Liars lie.

RS created an elaborate lie, in a letter, to his father ..putting Meredith's blood on that knife.

He stated Amanda convinced him of putting forth a load of rubbish..only to flip flop again later.

Yikes - it's 2009 again. The really strange thing is that Crini argued none of this at the latest trial.

Crini argued a whole separate collection of factoids. It kind of makes one wonder if anyone on the guilt side of things really has a theory... or, if the task is to dream up as much stuff as fertile minds might allow, until something sticks.

Is there not anyone who will offer up some sort of timeline for the crime, rather than these guilt-sounding factoids? And can it be done without first assuming guilt?

Meaning... "Look we know she lied, because she's the killer. Therefore since she lied she must be the killer."

Tome of death? Stomach contents and digestion? Nara's evidence comes six months later and she doesn't know if it is Oct 31 or Nov 1 really.... Quintavalle is the only one in his store who claims to have seen someone "Knox-like", but not ofn the original day he's interviewed - but months' later.

Will not anyone on that side of the fence start from the 8:34 pm starting-frame (the girl who saw Knox at the door at Raffaele's apartment) and then demonstrate how they managed to meet up with Guede, someone who'd never even met Raffaele....

You know the drill. It's just fascinating to me that there are some who content themselves with uttering "guilt-like" things, most of which died at the Massei trial.
 
Yes, I believe people make false confessions. Amanda didn't confess, she accused another. Two entirely different things.

It seems far more reasonable to me that Amanda thought by pointing the finger at another, she would be off the hook. She was wrong.

As I showed with the Norfolk Four, getting false implications from innocent suspects of others who are innocent is not uncommon.
 
Machiavelli

Hey Mach, I know this is a bit off of the current topic, but here is a list of BTK's victims and the location where the bodies were found. Ten murders he did all by his lonesome, which Mignini would believe to be impossible, based on his statements in the Kercher case. This is proof he is wrong. Clearly Rader could have stabbed them all in the neck if he was so inclined. Also, note that he was tied to several of the murders through analysis of semen stains, which means he would have got away with them in Perugia while the PM pursued the "real killers".

If you wish to debate this, I can come up with more examples until I am tired of typing and you are tired of reading. Just say the word, and I have the time right now to put some more up. But, you already know I'm right, as do all of ILE and all of the prosecutors.

I know I said I would never waste my time arguing with "Machiavelli" again, but I am convinced you are not the same person. Everyone sounds exactly the same in here as they did a couple of years ago except for you.

# Name Sex Age Date of Death Place of Death Cause of Death Weapon Used Date Body Found Place Body Found
1 Joseph Otero M 38 January 15, 1974 803 North Edgemoor Street, Wichita Suffocated Plastic bags January 15, 1974 803 North Edgemoor Street, Wichita
2 Julie Otero F 33 January 15, 1974 803 North Edgemoor Street, Wichita Strangled Rope January 15, 1974 803 North Edgemoor Street, Wichita
3 Joseph Otero, Jr. M 9 January 15, 1974 803 North Edgemoor Street, Wichita Suffocated Plastic bag January 15, 1974 803 North Edgemoor Street, Wichita
4 Josephine Otero F 11 January 15, 1974 803 North Edgemoor Street, Wichita Hanged from a drainage pipe Rope January 15, 1974 803 North Edgemoor Street, Wichita
5 Kathryn Bright F 21 April 4, 1974 3217 East 13th Street North, Wichita Stabbed once in back and lower abdomen Knife April 4, 1974 3217 East 13th Street North, Wichita
6 Shirley Vian F 24 March 17, 1977 1311 South Hydraulic Street, Wichita Strangled Rope March 17, 1977 1311 South Hydraulic Street, Wichita
7 Nancy Fox F 25 December 8, 1977 843 South Pershing Street, Wichita Strangled Belt December 8, 1977 843 South Pershing Street, Wichita
8 Marine Hedge F 53 April 27, 1985 6254 North Independence Street, Park City Strangled Rader's hand(s) May 5, 1985 East 53rd Street North between North Webb Road and North Greenwich Road, Wichita
9 Vicki Wegerle F 28 September 16, 1986 2404 West 13th Street North, Wichita Strangled Nylon stocking September 16, 1986 2404 West 13th Street North, Wichita
10 Dolores E. Davis F 62 January 19, 1991 6226 North Hillside Street, Wichita Strangled Pantyhose February 1, 1991 West 117th Street North and North Meridian Street, Sedgwick


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rader
 
As I showed with the Norfolk Four, getting false implications from innocent suspects of others who are innocent is not uncommon.


I beg to differ. It's not common. It's actually rather rare.

I recall a case where a man falsely confessed to killing his own young daughter and her friend.
 
True. But at least start by explaining how two people could be involved in that room, without leaving a trace?


Every square inch wasn't tested.

I believe RS left a trace on that clasp.

Why is there no trace of Rudy in the room he allegedly entered into? None on the window sill or frame.
 
I laugh about this since I know the feeling oh too well.

I use to live in the Eastlake area of Seattle. A nice apartment with a great view of Lake Union and the Space Needle. The only problem with the apartment is that it had only one parking space. And I had a roommate. So if the space was occupied by his car, I would park on the crowded street in the neighborhood. Which meant I parked in a different spot all the time and sometimes as many as a couple of blocks away.

Well, on one occasion I went out to my car to discover that my car was missing. But I didn't believe it. I figured I just forgot where I parked it. I probably walked the streets around my house for about an hour before I finally called the police. I simply didn't want to believe that the car was stolen. There had to be another explanation.

People are so damn sure of themselves in hindsight. I'm always amazed at people's arrogance when they have that benefit.

Sure, there were clues that maybe Amanda should have recognized. But can you blame her? (Well obviously the cops and the guilters are doing exactly that.) Amanda is in new city, a new country, a new language, a new house with new roommates. How can she seriously be expected to be confident of anything?

Reading anything to extra 10 or 20 minutes of indecision is absurd.

I know this is an older post but wanted to respond to this

I was leaving a Walmart parking lot. There was a figure just laying on the ground next to the exit. People would drive by and not worry.
I have no clue how long he had been there.

I did pull into a Chucky Cheese parking lot next to where he was, call the city non emergency number. Tried to wake him up without touching him. Would not wake up and in the end both police and emergency services came.

He was drunk but still how many people had simply passed what was a dead body or somebody in medical distress. These people were not evil just many likely were not sure what to do.
 
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