[Merged] Immortality & Bayesian Statistics

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This. I haven't done the actual count, but I would wager a significant amount that a categorization of Jabba's posts would show that those actually explaining, clarifying, or discussing his position would be the second smallest category, the smallest being where he acknowledges and addresses calmly presented objections and questions.

The second largest being posts in which he says that at some future point he will post something and/or making excuses for why he hasn't, and the largest being where he simply repeats things as if they haven't been addressed a hundred times, or claims not to have seen any of the hundreds of replies to those arguments.
 
This is a lie. We read the thread, Jabba, and we can read it still.

First, LossLeader did not participate as a moderator and made no comments as a moderator. You throw that in there because you want to muddy the waters. You knew his status as mod when you accepted him as your opponent.

Second, he only presented one thing at a time that you had to deal with.

Third, you had the option of responding only to one thing even if he hadn't.

Fourth, you were the one who was not responding to the points and the one who left the thread languishing.


Insofar as this amounts to character assassination of LossLeader who gave you absolutely every consideration possible and far more consideration than you deserve, it is worse even than your recent lie about no one pointing out why your ~A remains a false dichotomy. You still have not responded to my response to that post of yours.

Let me summarize my position: Your arguments are vapid, hollow, fallacious, and thoroughly and reputedly rebutted; that part is separate from your behavior. Your behavior has been at times petulant, whiny, libelous, deceitful, and outright full of lies. You demand civility when you really want quiet agreement, yet you extend repeated discourtesy.

ETA: While I have long given up hope of any real learning on your part, I had primarily thought that you were somewhat sincere and that you were simply overreaching without having the capacity to recognize it. This last post changes that. You are intentionally deceitful, intentionally rude, and you have no intention of actually learning anything.
- Can someone direct me to my debate with Loss Leader?
 
I think you'll find the forum software only allows one post at a time, and if posters restrict themselves to one question per post (as the majority do - and you could ignore those who don't), then that only leaves you to do your best answering them.

He doesn't want one question per post. He wants everybody to unanimously decide on one question, and then he'll post as many points as he wants in rebuttal, and then everybody else is once more only allowed to unanimously decide on one of those points to respond to.

What he wants is a blog. A blog in which all comments must be approved. What he's on is a discussion forum - a discussion forum that the posters treat as a discussion forum. Concessions were made for him to try out what he considers "truly effective debate". It failed because he abandoned the debate in favour of seeing out multiple posters making multiple points. Now he wants to whinge on again about how hard it is for him to conduct a debate when he has to deal with more than one thing at a time. Well, tough. He had his chance, and he abandoned it.
 
Honestly, what is the point of "debating" Jabba? If he is sincere he is still not able to debate: he ignores others, can't deal with honest questions, can't remember his own posts and can't even find his own thread. He clearly does not understand logic, nor is willing to learn it from others.
I suggest all stop posting in this thread. The only concern is that Jabba may post an erroneous proof un opposed; does anyone really think that he will get to it before the year 3001 ?
 
- Can someone direct me to my debate with Loss Leader?

Do your own damn work. You can't even find a thread created specifically for you and in which you participated, yet you claim to have proven immortality and revolutionized debate?

Have you no shame?
 
- Can someone direct me to my debate with Loss Leader?

Not the subject of this thread. How about we focus on our purpose here.

Tell you what. Since logical negation isn't your forte, how about you state your proposition, straight, just the proposition. Put it all in one highlighted sentence so there will be no ambiguity in exactly what is your proposition.
If you can please do that, then we can develop the complement for you.
 
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272394

Is that big enough for you? Do you think you could obleeg us with a click on the stonking great big link above? Would it be to much trouble for you to actually read the mere 31 posts in that thread?

Do you realise that it is closed because you abandoned it?
Look at post 9 by LL and then your post #10 immediately after. Note how LL agrees to the one point thing and you go off on two points.

Eta: "you" means "Jabba"
 
Good morning again, Mr. Savage...I suppose I can shovel, and clean ice out of my gutters, another time.



Yes. Very good. your A/~A pair, where you presume to define A, AND define ~A, is, in fact, a false dichotomy. It is not an "alleged" false dichotomy, but a bull-goose, in-the-flesh, on-the-hoof, FOB, false dichotomy.



"There are more things under ~A than can be dreamt of in your philosophy, Richratio."

Think of it as analogous to Heisenbergian uncertainty (down, physicists! this is a limited analogy, only). If you define a particle's speed, the precision with which you define its speed is inversely proportional to the precision with which you can define its position. If you define a particle's position, the precision with which you define its position limits the precision with which you can define its speed. (A policeman pulls Heisenberg over, and says to him: "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" Einstein, in the front seat, leans over and says: "By my calculations, exactly 145 meters per second!" Heisenberg looks at him in horror, and says: "Great! Now I have NO IDEA where we were!")

If you define your A, the only thing that can be said about ~A is that it must include anything and everything else. Once you define A, AND define ~A, in terms of specific characteristics, you have inevitably excluded "everything else", making your dichotomy inherently false...
Slowvehicle,
- Without introducing the conditional issue, it seems to me that the complement to the hypothesis that my existence is finite and singular is that my existence is not finite and singular -- OR, said another way, my existence is either infinite or multiple. Apparently, you disagree that it can be correctly said this other way, but I don't know why.
 
- Can someone direct me to my debate with Loss Leader?

Good Morning, Mr. Savage!

At the risk of being accused of not taking things seriously enough, I admit (no, I boast) that I often package real information in attempts at humor. For me, it is a way to put an issue in perspective, and to provide at least the attempt of comic relief. Having said that, I have to ask: is this supposed to be a joke?

If not, are you claiming that your "debate" with Loss Leader did not happen?
Are you claiming that you do not remember your "debate" with Loss Leader?
Are you, instead, claiming that you cannot find the thread set up for the "debate" with Loss Leader, the "debate" that you abandoned?

I admit that I am a tad confused.

At any rate, here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=9776962#post9776962
 
Slowvehicle,
- Without introducing the conditional issue, it seems to me that the complement to the hypothesis that my existence is finite and singular is that my existence is not finite and singular -- OR, said another way, my existence is either infinite or multiple. Apparently, you disagree that it can be correctly said this other way, but I don't know why.

As simply as possible:

If you define your A, the only proper statement of ~A is, "everything else".

Once you list a definition of ~A, then your A can only be stated as "everything else".

If you define terms of A and define terms of ~A, your dichotomy is inherently false-by-construction.

This is why I have suggested you let this go. You cannot manipulate the definitions to force your conclusion.

Why not simply present your evidence? Or, follow jsfisher's suggestion...
 
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I suggest all stop posting in this thread. The only concern is that Jabba may post an erroneous proof un opposed; does anyone really think that he will get to it before the year 3001 ?

The sad thing is, that would actually be counter-productive. If people stop posting in opposition to his nonsense, he can then run back to the people he runs back to (or the next message board he tries this on) and talk about how he managed to get an entire sceptic's forum to agree with him.
 
A thread which, moreover, was linked to in a post he quoted and replied to a couple of hours ago.

This thread reminds me more and more of the attempts by experts to explain things to Philomena Cunk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1sKjEbRXjQ

While I'm not implying that Jabba is thick, what debating with him is like reminds me more of the following video than Philomena Cunk:

 
As simply as possible:

If you define your A, the only proper statement of ~A is, "everything else".

Once you list a definition of ~A, then your A can only be stated as "everything else".

If you define terms of A and define terms of ~A, your dichotomy is inherently false-by-construction.

This is why I have suggested you let this go. You cannot manipulate the definitions to force your conclusion.

Why not simply present your evidence? Or, follow jsfisher's suggestion...
Slowvehicle,
- I still don't understand. Can you point me to a link that backs up your claim?
- In my attempt at a complement, I merely try to specify what everything else includes (so as to give us a step towards addressing the immortality issue). If my specification is missing something, what is it?
 
If my specification is missing something, what is it?

Do you ever get tired of asking the same questions over and over and over again? Do you really expect people to keep posting the same replies over and over and over again? Why don't you just look back over the thread and re-read the many, many times that this exact question has been answered, extensively, comprehensively, and by many different posters?
 
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