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Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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I wonder why the jury took 12 hours or so to reach the pre-ordained veredict. What were they discussing?
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
Do you have any evidence of conservative governments being more likely to extradite liberals, not looking at scientific evidence, and/or dismissing allegations of police and prosecutorial misconduct? I didn't think so. You are just spreading fear of a conservative government because it suits your political agenda.
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Ann Coulter wrote a column saying exactly what Kestrel is attributing to conservatives in general.

It was the last column of hers I read.
 
It would be really amazing if the only way to obtain justice in italy os through briberie. The true hallmark of a third world country.
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
The house in which this crime occurred is for sale at the moment. I truly do not understand why it cannot be used to prove this crime happened the way the defense is stating it happened. It seems to me this is the most opportune time to do it.
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The owner probably would not say no to renting the house to interested parties for a few days for a reasonable sum. Something is better than nothing. All that is needed is to assemble a team of willing participants.
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
Do you have any evidence of conservative governments being more likely to extradite liberals, not looking at scientific evidence, and/or dismissing allegations of police and prosecutorial misconduct? I didn't think so. You are just spreading fear of a conservative government because it suits your political agenda.
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What makes them think that Amanda and her family are liberals? They live in a middle to fairly upscale neighborhood. Mr. Knox travels in very conservative circles. I personally have no idea if he is a Democrat or a Republican, but do you honestly think that the Republicans have more regard for Italy's crazy courts than the Democrats?

Remember, it was CIA agents that Italy tried in absentia. Not exactly the kind of thing to endear you to the GOP. And it is an Italian Supreme Court Justice who is a 9-11 truther. And given that GOP is the party of big business in America, do you really think that they don't have complaints about the Italian judicial system?

From what I can see, this is Italy thumbing it's nose at America. Not really a wise thing to do. And the GOP is won't like that either.
 
Wow, I wasn't expecting to see people swanning around triumphantly over this. Seriously? A heavily contested (and once overturned) conviction and the reaction is like a gang of middle school bullies.

Amazing. All I can say is that it's pretty obvious the Amanda and Raffaele whom you're celebrating being branded as murderers today are creatures of your own imagination.

The sad fact is that there are a pair of young people with those names who do exist, and who have done nothing whatsoever to deserve any of this. Not suspicion, not interrogation, not arrest, not indictment, not trial, not imprisonment, not conviction. The triumphalism is about something, but not about them.
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
The house in which this crime occurred is for sale at the moment. I truly do not understand why it cannot be used to prove this crime happened the way the defense is stating it happened. It seems to me this is the most opportune time to do it.
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Actually, I have been thinking the same thing. We could get hundreds of climbers to climb the wall. We could have high speed photography of the window shattering. We could have sound tests from Meredith's bedroom.

But that wouldn't matter in Italy. In Italy, they treat evidence like Doctor Emmett Brown treats roads. "Roads" he says to Marty, "where we are going we don't need roads!!!"
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
The house in which this crime occurred is for sale at the moment. I truly do not understand why it cannot be used to prove this crime happened the way the defense is stating it happened. It seems to me this is the most opportune time to do it.
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Yes, seems too obvious, but so do a lot of other things like exactly what happened. A true reconstruction filmed in the house would be persuasive. Rudy could play his part during work release, and Stephanie Kercher could play her sister's part (no knives of course). No need for Amanda or Raffaele.
 
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I have not followed the case, but I wondered what the general sense is here: What's the ratio of regular participants in this thread when it comes to believing she's guilty/not guilty?
 
If Italy tried to extradite Amanda, could the misconduct which occurred in this case be used against an extradition request. Could it be argued that Amanda should not be extradited because the police and prosecution have lied and suppressed evidence.
 
Cain said:
I have not followed the case, but I wondered what the general sense is here: What's the ratio of regular participants in this thread when it comes to believing she's guilty/not guilty?
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My guess is 10 to 1 who believe this is the railroad job from hell. But we did see a few of the guilters climb out of the woodwork once the verdict came down.
 
RoseMontague said:
This from the poster that says the Hellmann court was corrupt and took bribes paid by Media types through the Masons. Guess that is also an irrelevant detail and doesn't make logical sense.
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Machiavelli said:
No? Why not?
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Well, at least the sashaying continues. From the courtroom to here....

Machiavelli says that no one has a reason to believe there is a behind the scenes conspiracy to convict Sollecito and Knox. ?Then when it's pointed out that this is the reason the ISC, and now the Nencini court, have acted the way they have, he accuses the innocence-side of engaging in conspiracy. The claim is that one side is having its way with the other side, and AK and RS are the meat in the sandwich....

Then his answer to this is to admit to that there is a division within Italy's judiciary... and it turns out he represents one side of it - the powerful PM-"party" within the system that Hellmann warned about.

Except that this, too, is conspiratorialized.... Hellmann is a "well known Mason from a family of well-know Masons," "Hellmann was hand picked from among other candidates to oversee a predetermined acquittal, paid for by US media interests..."

So let's establish one thing first... is there a conspiracy or isn't there? After we settle on that, we can decide which side of this conspiracy represents true justice.
 
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RWVBWL said:
Heya Machiavelli,
Logically speaking here from the beaches of Los Angeles, I need to ask you, as you're an Italian male,
Do you have any idea whom the other DNA on Miss Kercher's bra clasp belongs too?
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I dont see a connection with nationality, anyway there isn't any "second male" profile on the bra clasp.
There are extra alleles. An allele is a short haminoacid chain, a fragment of polimeric protein, not a person. You can't match it to an individual. It can be transferred from broken DNA left in the environment or derive from degradation or alteration of breaking of a molecule.
 
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