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NASA using Magnetic Signal Therapy

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It appears NASA has an engineer or two who have been using the Bemer magnetic therapy. The magnetic signal is now a part of space suit technical research in NASA.

"It’s official: BEMER is providing NASA with scientific and technical support for the implementation of BEMER technology in spacesuits.

NASA will then have yet another means of maintaining and promoting astronauts’ health in the hostile environment of space. We are proud of the contribution we were able to make to this and look forward to groundbreaking cooperation at the highest levels, in every possible respect."
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http://www.bemeramerica.com/bemerGr.../2014/29/01/781ea77fc4ca7a5bda59b087845543bb/

If you don't know what Bemer is then learn the simple relevant facts:

1) It is claimed to improve microcirculation.

2) And offers pretty much every other placebo friendly health benefits.

3) All done with a magnetic signal (patented).

Has this NASA connection appeared on any official NASA page?
 
I'll believe it when NASA says it.

ETA: And by "it" I mean mean Bemer working with Nasa, not Bemer's technology working.
 
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Looks like a "magnets cure everything' web site lie as other companies have tried, e.g.
Healing with Magnets
There are NO scientific sites that support this claim, and most noticeable, there are NO NASA sites or documents that support this silly claim. The only two scientific oriented sites I found that mentioned it both stated that it was absolute nonsense.
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This is a lie spread by Magne-Sleep and numerous others promoting magnetic therapy. They must resort to lies simply because there are no real examples that they can use.
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"It’s official: BEMER is providing NASA with scientific and technical support for the implementation of BEMER technology in spacesuits."

That might mean that BEMER mailed NASA a package with samples and literature in it.
 
It might also mean that Bemer has a patent on some perfectly mundane method that is completely irrelevant at 1G, but may be useful in microgravity environments. Something to do with circulation, even. Maybe NASA is interested in studying/improving circulation in astronauts, and thinks that magnetized garments show promise.

To be honest, if it turns out NASA finds something useful in it, I don't care how much of a PR windfall it is for Bemer.
 
"We need a way to promote good health in Astronauts who will be working in a hostile environment and constantly surrounded by fragile and sensitive equipment. Any ideas?"

"... let's just cover 'em in magnets."
 
Mister Earl said:
"We need a way to promote good health in Astronauts who will be working in a hostile environment and constantly surrounded by fragile and sensitive equipment. Any ideas?"

"... let's just cover 'em in magnets."
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AFAIK even Bemer's promotional literature doesn't recommend "cover 'em in magnets".

I'd actually have more respect for NASA if they took the time to study the benefits, and investigate if there was some workable solution.

But yeah, I guess "herp derp magnets cannot into space" is another good approach.
 
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theprestige said:
AFAIK even Bemer's promotional literature doesn't recommend "cover 'em in magnets".

I'd actually have more respect for NASA if they took the time to study the benefits, and investigate if there was some workable solution.

But yeah, I guess "herp derp magnets cannot into space" is another good approach.
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Ever heard of hyperbole?

Why should NASA spend time and money studying something where there's is overwhelming evidence of no health effects?
 
I have no idea what a "magnetic signal" is. Do they mean "electromagnetic"? All I see are various devices that consist of LED's that shine on your body to cure a wide variety of diseases, and the power supplies to go with them. I don't see any evidence of the equally efficacious "magnetic therapy":rolleyes: using permanent magnets. Maybe I missed something.

Any device that claims such a wide variety of uses should at least be suspect, especially with all the common pseudo-scientific buzz words.

No prices listed, and no real way to buy this stuff that I can see. They do have offerings of MLM (go into business for yourself) type schemes.

I think they are not really making claims of cures, but just that this fancy lamp "can" improve dozens of conditions.

Just Google "LED therapy" and you will see tons of very expensive lamps :rolleyes: that you can shine on your pimples.
 
bjornart said:
Ever heard of hyperbole?
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Yep. I think it's often a blunter instrument than necessary.

Why should NASA spend time and money studying something where there's is overwhelming evidence of no health effects?
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Please show me the overwhelming evidence of magnetic fields having no effect on circulation in microgravity.

Like I said, it's possible that Bemer merely has a patent on some mundane method, that is interesting to NASA because it is relevant to the question of circulatory problems in micro-gravity.

And NASA can certainly research the effects of magnetic fields on circulation in microgravity, without having any interest at all in Bemer's other claims about their product.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsed_electromagnetic_field_therapy

Maybe they are talking about PEMF. There has been research on this that at least sounds promising, or makes sense. LED and permanent magnet therapy are just unproven pseudoscience, in my opinion.

It doesn't work to ask for overwhelming evidence that some random claim is invalid. The claimant has to provide evidence that it is valid.
 
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Please show me the overwhelming evidence of magnetic fields having no effect on circulation in microgravity.
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The sturdy theoretical explanations for the lack of effects from magnetic fields on circulation in a gravitational field contain no indication of a reduction in gravity having any effect what so ever. Unless someone comes up with any indication a reduction in gravity should significantly change the mechanical and electromagnetic properties of the circulatory system in any relevant way, it's a waste of time and money to pursue this avenue of research, even if the purported hypothesis hasn't been falsified by experiment.

<hyperbole-warning>Do you think NASA should also investigate whether homeopathy works in low gravity?</hyperbole-warning>
 
Well what do you know. Bemer has removed all news of their co-operation with NASA from their site. Same thing happened on their Finnish facebook group.
 
Ellen Ochoa, director of Johnson Space Center/NASA signed on March 12th, 2015 the contract with Bemer.

As 'new blood', I can't post URL's but you can find the signature if you google for 'your future nasa bemer' (titel is in Dutch)
 
Steve001 said:
I'm always surprised everytime I see someone one not realize they can attempt this.
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It doesn't surprise me. Working around restrictions to what can be posted is generally frowned upon even here, e.g. using tricks to get cuss words past the autocensor. The URL thing is something of an exception.
 
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