How can the world forgive Germany?

jimbob said:
...which answered your question.

the following is an analogous fictional example



See, I was good and even spelled "maths" incorrectly for ease of understanding :p
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Well Jimbob I think Math is not spelt 'Maths' but that aside, my question 'by who's reckoning' is not answered.


'By the reckoning of math' is not correct, if indeed math is 'the language of the universe' it is translated by the minds of those who are able to recognize it.
To thus claim that math reckons half the population is stupid is to say that math is able to determine what stupidity is.

Can it also reckon for us 'how can the world forgive Germany?'

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and the statement had to do with this post, which was commenting on the connectedness of the things mentioned in this post.
 
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Navigator said:
Well Jimbob I think Math is not spelt 'Maths' but that aside, my question 'by who's reckoning' is not answered.


'By the reckoning of math' is not correct, if indeed math is 'the language of the universe' it is translated by the minds of those who are able to recognize it.
To thus claim that math reckons half the population is stupid is to say that math is able to determine what stupidity is.

Can it also reckon for us 'how can the world forgive Germany?'
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You're still not getting it. Nobody said half the population is stupid. The statement was that half the population is below AVERAGE intelligence. Averages are a mathematical analysis of a sample size. By definition, half of a distributed curve sample set is Below Average, and half is Above Average.

geez, even a barely literate carpenter like me understands this.
 
ApolloGnomon said:
You're still not getting it. Nobody said half the population is stupid. The statement was that half the population is below AVERAGE intelligence. Averages are a mathematical analysis of a sample size. By definition, half of a distributed curve sample set is Below Average, and half is Above Average.

geez, even a barely literate carpenter like me understands this.
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I can't believe he's arguing the point. How embarrassing.
 
Has anyone pointed out that the eagle/laural thing is derived from a shared heritage yet? Or is Navigator historically illiterature as well as innumerate?

Also, as I understand it it's "math" in America and "maths" across the pond. Both are correct, just as "me" and "moi" are both correct.

ApolloGnomon said:
By definition, half of a distributed curve sample set is Below Average, and half is Above Average.
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Well....roughly, anyway. Large variances can skew the data, and most biological data is skewed to the left (there are generally more small-number things than high-number things, regardless of what said number represents). Mean, median, and mode, and all that.
 
Dinwar said:
Also, as I understand it it's "math" in America and "maths" across the pond. Both are correct, just as "me" and "moi" are both correct.
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Yes I know that, hence my emoticon...
 
ApolloGnomon said:
You're still not getting it. Nobody said half the population is stupid. The statement was that half the population is below AVERAGE intelligence. Averages are a mathematical analysis of a sample size. By definition, half of a distributed curve sample set is Below Average, and half is Above Average.

geez, even a barely literate carpenter like me understands this.
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I'm tempted to point out that only applies to one of a number of different kinds of average, but that would just be mean.
 
ApolloGnomon said:
You're still not getting it. Nobody said half the population is stupid. The statement was that half the population is below AVERAGE intelligence. Averages are a mathematical analysis of a sample size. By definition, half of a distributed curve sample set is Below Average, and half is Above Average.

geez, even a barely literate carpenter like me understands this.
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Unfortunately the comment was made in relation to stupid acts, which then implied that stupid acts are done by 'below average' intelligence by 'someone's reckoning' - Rather than presume it was by the reckoning those of 'above average intelligence', I felt it prudent to ask.

Your explanation shows that the comment itself was unnecessary and rather meaningless pointless.
 
Dinwar said:
Has anyone pointed out that the eagle/laural thing is derived from a shared heritage yet?
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Yes, I did. It was in my comment regarding the 'connectedness' of these things.

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To be clear, the underlying attitude is the connection. :) Hench the phrase I used.

Symbology leaves a trail. Those symbols are vitally important to those using them.
 
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Navigator said:
Unfortunately the comment was made in relation to stupid acts, which then implied that stupid acts are done by 'below average' intelligence by 'someone's reckoning' - Rather than presume it was by the reckoning those of 'above average intelligence', I felt it prudent to ask.

Your explanation shows that the comment itself was unnecessary and rather meaningless pointless.
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Nonsense. It's been widely reported for generations that President Eisenhower was shocked to learn that half the US population was of below average intelligence.

Would you have us believe that you never heard this bit of folklore used to demonstrate the innumeracy of US citizens?

Even if it's a myth, your questioning of an arithmetical cliché demonstrates the sad truth of it.
 
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John Jones said:
Nonsense. It's been widely reported for generations that President Eisenhower was shocked to learn that half the US population was of below average intelligence.
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By who's reckoning?

John Jones said:
Would you have us believe that you never heard this bit of folklore used to demonstrate the innumeracy of US citizens?
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Belief is illogical. I would not have anyone believe anything.

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Even if it's a myth, your questioning of an arithmetical cliché demonstrates the sad truth of it.
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By your reckoning? What of that! :D

If it is myth, there is no truth of it, sad or otherwise.
 
By the way, and not wishing to derail this thread back onto Jews, but a person is either Jewish by birth, or not at all, as far as I understand. It's a tribe thing.

And many Jews before the war were atheists, or at least completely secular in life style, and lots of liberal and progressive thinking came from them. Talk of a monolithic "Jew" character is nothing short of racism, simple as that. Same as talk of "the Germans" and "the world" is just hot air obscuring a shortening of the mind which reduces everything and everyone to a flat symbol of no use, and no meaning, at all.
 
No idea if it's been posted already (sorry if it has!) but as to the idea there must be something wrong with the Germans specifically well...

On that day, she designated the blue-eyed children as the superior group. Elliott provided brown fabric collars and asked the blue-eyed students to wrap them around the necks of their brown-eyed peers as a method of easily identifying the minority group...At first, there was resistance among the students in the minority group to the idea that blue-eyed children were better than brown-eyed children. To counter this, Elliott lied to the children by stating that the melanin responsible for making children blue-eyed also was linked to their higher intelligence and learning ability. Shortly thereafter, this initial resistance fell away. Those who were deemed "superior" became arrogant, bossy and otherwise unpleasant to their "inferior" classmates. Their grades also improved, doing mathematical and reading tasks that seemed outside their ability before.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Elliott#The_first_exercise

Proper authority, propaganda and a system where superiority over others is considered the truth can lead to anyone turning into a monster.
 
You know who was at fault, Hitlers guidance counselor, he could have suggested magazine illustration or signage design, Adolf could have made fine living doing that, but no, become and artist he said, follow your muse he said, here read this interesting book by this Nietzsche fellow, he said.
 
kedo1981 said:
You know who was at fault, Hitlers guidance counselor, he could have suggested magazine illustration or signage design, Adolf could have made fine living doing that, but no, become and artist he said, follow your muse he said, here read this interesting book by this Nietzsche fellow, he said.
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On the other hand, little Adolph was an abused child, with an authoritarian brute of a father who used to beat him.

He was always going to grow up to be a troubled adult. I don't think Nietzsche was to blame so much as the ambient anti-semiticism that was rampant all over Europe at the time and the other socio-cultural-political memes and pressures and opportunities of the time… and the company he kept in those circles.

If his limitations as an artist played any part at all, it was as an excuse for other apologists. Did he ever say anything about it?

I doubt it, as he thought he was a good German, so he didn't need to look for an excuse or explanation for how he turned out!
 
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