Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Bill Williams]

It's hard to know if Peter Quennell posted this for laughs... or if he's serious.

It regards the opening of the Wiki site http://murderofmeredithkercher.com as oppsed to the anonymous guilter-Wiki at the same URL, except it has "the" in front of the address.

This is (allegedly) what PQ wrote on TJMK to those who he suspects are involved in the innocence-Wiki...

Hi guys This below is totally irrelevant and off the point. I am not talking about defamation and other civil crimes. I am pointing out to help you that you are being made a party to serious felony crimes involving mafia for which jail time and huge fines are the normal reward. Plus there will be no heads-up from Italy or the FBI: you will simply be charged. I told you already three trials are under way. If you need a lawyer to walk you through this let me know. Pete Quennell

Another poster said that the innocence Wiki was "Satanic" and speculated that it was opened by Chris Mellas.

Where do they get this stuff? It appears that PQ is listening to Machiavelli, all except for that the Masons were probably the funders of the Wiki.... it really is hard to keep a straight face.

 

[anglolawyer]

It's hard to know if Peter Quennell posted this for laughs... or if he's serious.

It regards the opening of the Wiki site http://murderofmeredithkercher.com as oppsed to the anonymous guilter-Wiki at the same URL, except it has "the" in front of the address.

This is (allegedly) what PQ wrote on TJMK to those who he suspects are involved in the innocence-Wiki...



Another poster said that the innocence Wiki was "Satanic" and speculated that it was opened by Chris Mellas.

Where do they get this stuff? It appears that PQ is listening to Machiavelli, all except for that the Masons were probably the funders of the Wiki.... it really is hard to keep a straight face.

Tell PQ I wrote the whole thing and I'm coming to his place tomorrow to post a copy where the sun don't shine.

 

[Strozzi]

Raffaele's family may have located the model of shoe owned by Rudy in early December, however, by that date the police already had in their possession an empty shoebox labeled "NIKE OUTBREAK 2" size 11 (45cm) which was taken from a November 21 search of Rudy's apartment.

The police raided Rudy's flat after the skype call and seized items there including the shoebox for the Nike Outbreak 2, size 45 cm. The defense knew this from an evidence list to which they had access. That is how the Sollecito family knew to be looking for the specific type of shoe owned by Rudy, and how we know that Rudy's foot fits a size 45 shoe.

 

[Kaosium]

It's hard to know if Peter Quennell posted this for laughs... or if he's serious.

It regards the opening of the Wiki site http://murderofmeredithkercher.com as oppsed to the anonymous guilter-Wiki at the same URL, except it has "the" in front of the address.

This is (allegedly) what PQ wrote on TJMK to those who he suspects are involved in the innocence-Wiki...



Another poster said that the innocence Wiki was "Satanic" and speculated that it was opened by Chris Mellas.

Where do they get this stuff? It appears that PQ is listening to Machiavelli, all except for that the Masons were probably the funders of the Wiki.... it really is hard to keep a straight face.

What do you mean by "allegedly" regarding what PQ wrote on his own site? Did he erase it or something?

What could he possibly be referring to regarding felonious crimes involving mafia and that three trials were underway? How does that have anything to do with the site you linked?

 

[Mary_H]

It's hard to know if Peter Quennell posted this for laughs... or if he's serious.

This is (allegedly) what PQ wrote on TJMK to those who he suspects are involved in the innocence-Wiki...

Hi guys

This below is totally irrelevant and off the point. I am not talking about defamation and other civil crimes.

I am pointing out to help you that you are being made a party to serious felony crimes involving mafia for which jail time and huge fines are the normal reward.

Plus there will be no heads-up from Italy or the FBI: you will simply be charged. I told you already three trials are under way.

If you need a lawyer to walk you through this let me know.

Pete Quennell

.... it really is hard to keep a straight face.

Where did he post this, Bill? (I presume TJMK, but exactly where?)

He is such a ginormous baby. Every time he doesn't get his own way he cries, "You guys are gonna be in so much trouble when Mom finds out about this!!!"

 

[christianahannah]

Christiana, what do you think of Mignini not liking the report from the Foligno forensic team and taking the pictures of the shoes to the Polizia Scientifica and getting a much stronger opinion of an exact match between the shoeprints left at the cottage and Raffaele's shoes so he could take it before Matteini?

This account is from Raffaele's book? I would like to see that report if it is available. And also Mignini's account of the same. Could it be he needed a second opinion?

Between Amanda's and Raffaele's statements and Patrick's cell phone data, these may have been enough for Matteini to still decide the way she did but of that I can't be certain.

 

[acbytesla]

Nencini refused to further investigate this case, that sounds like Massei to me. Nencini did the minimal as if "I have enough already" attitude.

If he would have asked Stefonani and C&V to present it would have shown more interest. But he didn't do this either. Similar to Massei not needing the knife retested or the handle removed.

But the knife already has been retested and the RIS discussed that a single test is not reliable. Why would Nencini need more? If you read Massei, Hellman, Conti and Vechiotti and the RIS report, isn't that enough?

For all we know Nencini is already writing his report with this murder happening over Rudy pooping and not cleaning it up, his "Judge Creative writing Fantasy scenarios" in full force....

For all we know Nencini is bored with the whole affair and knows that there is nothing there and is just going through the motions.

I am stumped on wondering how much time these Judges have even spent on this case, probably 1/100th the time the posters here have. Even the PGP probably have more knowledge than these Judges on this case.

I agree with that

You may be right JREF about Nencini, I know I don't know. Maybe I'm viewing this through rose colored glasses.

Time will tell.

 

[Strozzi]

Tell PQ I wrote the whole thing and I'm coming to his place tomorrow to post a copy where the sun don't shine.

AngloLawyer, you are serving him with a court summons, aren't you?

 

[Kaosium]

This account is from Raffaele's book? I would like to see that report if it is available. And also Mignini's account of the same. Could it be he needed a second opinion?

Don't you find anything strange about his getting a 'second opinion' that was utterly fraudulent from the Polizia Scientifica but which happened to make his case much stronger right before he went to court?

 

[christianahannah]

There sure is. Let's say, as a kind of thought experiment, the case finally concludes in acquittals across the board (well, not for Rudy) as, of course, it should and, Italy having a bottomless pit of money to burn, decides to look into the conduct of the prosecution. Do you think there is any material justifying a criminal enquiry against anyone?

As part of your experiment I will give this some thought and get back to you. But I would have no problem with an enquiry concerning this case whether it ends in acquittals or guilt. There are definitely flaws in the system which would serve it better were they corrected.

 

[Strozzi]

Don't you find anything strange about his getting a 'second opinion' that was utterly fraudulent from the Polizia Scientifica but which happened to make his case much stronger right before he went to court?

I don't think the Italian Government will conduct any investigations into the prosecution or scientific police for this case. I do believe that many years from now it will be the focus of Italian and non-Italian studies on fraudulent prosecutions, falsified forensics, and false convictions. This case will be well known and studied. 50 years from now Italians will read about it and shake their heads and wonder what was it like to live in those times.

Amanda and Raffaele, then in their 70's, will be featured in Italian documentaries as the innocent victims of miscarriages of justice. Perhaps they will be invited to lecturer at Italian universities to tell young Italian law, history, and journalism students what they went through back in these times. Filomena, Laura, and Sophie, then in their 70's and 80's, will be remembered for piling on the defendants, having been played by the Monster of Perugia. Rudy will be long dead.

 

[anglolawyer]

AngloLawyer, you are serving him with a court summons, aren't you?

Of course! What did you think I meant? Doncha just love all the mystery lawyers PQ has on tap?

 

[Dougm]

Tell PQ I wrote the whole thing and I'm coming to his place tomorrow to post a copy where the sun don't shine.

Should we tell PQ we are sorry, and please don't tell the 100 lawyers about how bad we have been?

It would have been nice if that bogus pro-guilt "wiki" was not so full of false crap, it would not have taken so long to explain all the misrepresentations.

 

[Bill Williams]

Tell PQ I wrote the whole thing and I'm coming to his place tomorrow to post a copy where the sun don't shine.

Did Peter Quennell copy his threat to your e-mail address? Does he think you are really "Chris Mellas" or does he think you're a nobody?

You know, I've actually never met you in person... and I've noted that Mellas and you never post things at the same time..... coincidence?

 

[RandyN]

If Nencini convicts on Thursday, this issue of "Raffaele's kitchen knife matches the bedsheet stain" will play big. It will have to. Why? Because that's the last tidbit of anything that would mean that knife had ever made it to the cottage.

And after 6 years of guilter, haters, and prosecution promoting an equally silly "two-knife theory", now that the RIS Carabinieri has told the Nencini court that there is no DNA evidence, the guilters, haters, and prosecution have to make a "last stand" on this knife on something other than DNA. (No matter that it matches none of the wounds.) They now have to invent a new reason why that knife is in the crime, or else there is nothing linking Raffaele (or Amanda for that matter) to this.

Has Crini convicted Nencini et al. though? It is strange, because the motive Crini advances is one with no premeditation.... I mean, did Knox know that Rudy had left a sample in Filomena's toilet? Did Knox bring the kitchen knife because she feared a cleanliness-dust-up was going to break out?

The only reason to invent out of whole cloth the "kitchen knife is a match for the bedsheet stain" is to keep Knox/Sollecito connected to this crime.

It has taken two fairly recent inventions by the Crini prosecution to suggest this - and he just may pull it off.

Mignini himself was too embarrassed to suggest something against the obvious - it's why Mignini invented the two-knife theory. Even Mignini ended the Hellmann trial suggesting the was no motive to this crime; I mean, he'd flown about four of them to no avail. Both Massei AND Hellmann saw no mitve for AK and/or RS to have been involved in this.

To my way of thinking, the Nencini court is now hemmed in. That court still may convict, but they will convict on at least two inventions that not even Cassazione entertained, and those two inventions were not even a reason for Cassazione overturning the acquittals.

But for a conviction to hold, Nencini needs to accept both of them - Nencini needs to accept that the bedsheet stain is a match for the kitchen knife.... because no DNA, no match on the bedsheet.... then there's no reason for that knife to even be entertained....

..... except that Italian justice has kept that knife in this crime against all logic for more than 6 years. More than six years.

They cannot let go of it now.

Well actually against far more than just logic. They retain this knife without any evidence at all! In fact they retain this knife in spite of numerous highly suspicious circumstances involving its collection, handling, storage, chain of custody, and finally several unacceptable and UN-certified conclusions made about absolutely nothing that was found on the blade.

Well, I think the starch was valid although its origin is impossible to determine. The other samples especially 36b and 36i are completely bogus and were produced by un-certified laboratory procedures including anything to do with the Carabinieri side show in this most recent mockery called a trial in Italy. This proved nothing and was only an attempt to show that not all Italian labs were staffed by complete incompetents. I am unsure that they disproved this though. They did a show test that remains unscientifically sound IMHO. Lets wait to hear what the peer review has to say about it.

The real murder weapon? I suspect that knife could have been found in Lumumbas kitchen drawer. I bet it would have matched the bloody bed sheet imprints perfectly...The question is why did no one think to look there? He was the killer on Nov 6th after all. Or was someone lying to the world when they proclaimed "case closed"? Why no knife taken or tested from Lumumbas?

Well that plus the thousand other questionable and likely corrupt acts of police, prosecution and judiciary now...because to call this a little odd or a bit strange is like calling Hitler a little off.

 

[anglolawyer]

Should we tell PQ we are sorry, and please don't tell the 100 lawyers about how bad we have been?

Snip

It's too soon to tender an apology. I suggest we hunker down for a few months. As a precaution, I have taken on 1,000 highly reputable lawyers to even the odds. Strangely, like PQ's figments lawyers, they all insist on strict anonymity.

 

[Bill Williams]

Where did he post this, Bill? (I presume TJMK, but exactly where?)

He is such a ginormous baby. Every time he doesn't get his own way he cries, "You guys are gonna be in so much trouble when Mom finds out about this!!!"

There's a really annoying poster at IIP who reposts the best stuff from the hate sites...

Me, I was glad that something Satanic finally made it back into this case. It hasn't been the same since Comodi threatened to quit the prosecution in 2009 if Mignini took that theory to trial.

Where's Machiavelli when you need him?

 

[anglolawyer]

As part of your experiment I will give this some thought and get back to you. But I would have no problem with an enquiry concerning this case whether it ends in acquittals or guilt. There are definitely flaws in the system which would serve it better were they corrected.

'Flaws in the system' is not quite what I am thinking of but I shall look forward with interest to any future comments of yours.

 

[Diocletus]

This account is from Raffaele's book? I would like to see that report if it is available. And also Mignini's account of the same. Could it be he needed a second opinion?

Between Amanda's and Raffaele's statements and Patrick's cell phone data, these may have been enough for Matteini to still decide the way she did but of that I can't be certain.

How do think she would have decided if she had the dna results, which the prosecution was hiding, which showed that the rapist and dumper were the same guy, and that guy was neither lumumba nor Sollecito?

 

[Strozzi]

Well actually against far more than just logic. They retain this knife without any evidence at all! In fact they retain this knife in spite of numerous highly suspicious circumstances involving its collection, handling, storage, chain of custody, and finally several unacceptable and UN-certified conclusions made about absolutely nothing that was found on the blade.

Well, I think the starch was valid although its origin is impossible to determine. The other samples especially 36b and 36i are completely bogus and were produced by un-certified laboratory procedures including anything to do with the Carabinieri side show in this most recent mockery called a trial in Italy. This proved nothing and was only an attempt to show that not all Italian labs were staffed by complete incompetents. I am unsure that they disproved this though. They did a show test that remains unscientifically sound IMHO. Lets wait to hear what the peer review has to say about it.

The real murder weapon? I suspect that knife could have been found in Lumumbas kitchen drawer. I bet it would have matched the bloody bed sheet imprints perfectly...The question is why did no one think to look there? He was the killer on Nov 6th after all. Or was someone lying to the world when they proclaimed "case closed"? Why no knife taken or tested from Lumumbas?

Well that plus the thousand other questionable and likely corrupt acts of police, prosecution and judiciary now...because to call this a little odd or a bit strange is like calling Hitler a little off.

Randy, in your 3rd paragraph above do you mean Lumumba or did you mean to write Guede??? (You have to keep your Congolese and Ivorians straight. Lumumba, originally from the Congo, was the owner of Le Chic bar. Guede, from the Ivory Coast, was a semi-pro basketball player and sometime burglar.)

My second point -
It would have been interesting, indeed, if Crini had gone into court and told the judges: "I as prosecutor in this case have studied the evidence and find no credible reason to believe, let alone prove, that the two defendants were at the cottage when the crime was committed, and that the large knife seized from Raffaele's kitchen drawer was taken at random without any evidence at the time that it was used in the crime and that DNA tests done on it and other items in this case are lacking in scientific rigor and do not provide credible evidence that the defendants were involved, and that furthermore there is no credible proof presented that the break-in was staged or that there was more than one assailant, Rudy Guede."