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Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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acbytesla said:
These are the kind of remarks that really piss me off. I don't know Raff or Amanda, I've read both their books and neither seems dumb. They are their own individuals. How do you make snap judgments like that Grinder? Do you really think you have enough information to make this kind of call?

My guess is this woman is just another person cashing in on the boutique industry which is the the Meredith Kercher/Amanda Knox story. Ten to one she was paid for this story. She wouldn't be the first.
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Having followed this for far too long it certainly isn't a snap judgment. Yes, I really think I have enough information.

Have you gone to the report? The issue isn't whether or not she is being paid, as was said up-thread it isn't the source that's the issue it's the content.

There seems to be plenty of evidence that some of what she said is true. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if she planned something like this from the beginning and collected all the evidence to have to sell. She seems loony tunes, but you probably think I don't know well enough...oh but you decided she was cashing in without knowing if she was paid...hmmm.

What really pisses me off are fan boys that defend the most ridiculous behavior by either of the kids. Raf is a loose cannon and not a smart one. It would appear that he met her on FB and did propose to her in a very short time.

Even if it turns out to be a complete hoax, which I hope, he has done things that make him not too bright in my eyes.
 
Grinder said:
Having followed this for far too long it certainly isn't a snap judgment. Yes, I really think I have enough information.

Have you gone to the report? The issue isn't whether or not she is being paid, as was said up-thread it isn't the source that's the issue it's the content.

There seems to be plenty of evidence that some of what she said is true. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if she planned something like this from the beginning and collected all the evidence to have to sell. She seems loony tunes, but you probably think I don't know well enough...oh but you decided she was cashing in without knowing if she was paid...hmmm.

What really pisses me off are fan boys that defend the most ridiculous behavior by either of the kids. Raf is a loose cannon and not a smart one. It would appear that he met her on FB and did propose to her in a very short time.

Even if it turns out to be a complete hoax, which I hope, he has done things that make him not too bright in my eyes.
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One, I'm not a fanboy, I just don't buy there is enough information to make these kind of judgments from the cheap seats. Amanda and Raffaele may both be idiots, but there is no way that you or I have even a fraction of the information required to make that call.

I haven't met them and neither have you. And given just how distorted the press can be, either from tabloid fodder or PR puff pieces, is it really fair to come to this conclusion? I certainly think it is massively arrogant to judge people's intellect from what is written in the press.

But hey, that's me. I wait until I have enough information before I start in with the character assassinations. And I don't think you'll ever have enough from the likes of the Daily Mail and Radar Online.
 
codyjuneau said:
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There is also a leaf on the far right of the window ledge as viewed from the inside, and a leaf on the floor somewhere near the waste paper basket.
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I didn't know that, Cody! Do you know where pictures of those or documentation to their presence could be found?
 
Grinder said:
Having followed this for far too long it certainly isn't a snap judgment. Yes, I really think I have enough information.

Have you gone to the report? The issue isn't whether or not she is being paid, as was said up-thread it isn't the source that's the issue it's the content.

There seems to be plenty of evidence that some of what she said is true. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if she planned something like this from the beginning and collected all the evidence to have to sell. She seems loony tunes, but you probably think I don't know well enough...oh but you decided she was cashing in without knowing if she was paid...hmmm.

What really pisses me off are fan boys that defend the most ridiculous behavior by either of the kids. Raf is a loose cannon and not a smart one. It would appear that he met her on FB and did propose to her in a very short time.

Even if it turns out to be a complete hoax, which I hope, he has done things that make him not too bright in my eyes.
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RS " basically marrying you does not protect me by Italians" hmm is there another way to interpret this?
 
Olshaker critiques Vogt

Mark Olshaker on an article by Andrea Vogt: "Fourth, stating as a journalistic fact that, “Instead, he’s considered all the evidence as a whole,” is like saying we lose money on each individual item we sell, but make it up on volume; it makes no sense. The evidence as a whole is clear: Rudy Guede was there and killed Meredith. Amanda and Raffaele had nothing to do with it. So clearly he is not considering all the evidence."
 
codyjuneau said:
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I will dig up the pictures and post them Kaosium. I have posted them previously.
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Thanks! I must have missed those posts. At one time I could say I had read each and every post in these threads, most more than once and some multiple times. However for a while there I stopped being as...dedicated...I guess, and I did miss some months worth of posts.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
Mark Olshaker on an article by Andrea Vogt: "Fourth, stating as a journalistic fact that, “Instead, he’s considered all the evidence as a whole,” is like saying we lose money on each individual item we sell, but make it up on volume; it makes no sense. The evidence as a whole is clear: Rudy Guede was there and killed Meredith. Amanda and Raffaele had nothing to do with it. So clearly he is not considering all the evidence."
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I have a critique, too: Andrea Vogt is a dope.
 
Kaosium said:
Or maybe someone who walked under the sill and then climbed up the wall caused the leaf to be positioned there?
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It's part of the staging. They were too lazy to put scuff marks on the wall and throw grass and dirt all over the place, so they just got a leaf. I'm sure it had Sollecitos dna on it. Or at least it did until they cleaned it off. Isn't that suspicious that Sollecitos dna wasn't found on the leaf? Murderers.
 
Briars said:
Probably the one just out of view that blew the leaves under the sill.
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Or it could have been dragged into the room on the heel of Rudy's shoes.

That's the point Briars, you or me have no idea of knowing how that leaf came to be there. I'd say it is reasonable to think it made it's way into Meredith's bedroom either way.

There simply is no conclusive way to say that the break in was staged. And if the break in wasn't staged, how can you say that Amanda and Raffaele were involved??
 
Grinder said:
Having followed this for far too long it certainly isn't a snap judgment. Yes, I really think I have enough information.

Have you gone to the report? The issue isn't whether or not she is being paid, as was said up-thread it isn't the source that's the issue it's the content.

There seems to be plenty of evidence that some of what she said is true. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if she planned something like this from the beginning and collected all the evidence to have to sell. She seems loony tunes, but you probably think I don't know well enough...oh but you decided she was cashing in without knowing if she was paid...hmmm.

What really pisses me off are fan boys that defend the most ridiculous behavior by either of the kids. Raf is a loose cannon and not a smart one. It would appear that he met her on FB and did propose to her in a very short time.

Even if it turns out to be a complete hoax, which I hope, he has done things that make him not too bright in my eyes.
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Why use weasel words like this?

"Raf is a loose cannon"? What: he's supposed to go live in a monastery?

I suppose I'm a fan boy by simply pointing out that even if this is not a hoax, the "behaviour" is no different than what happens on FB each day. It's like saying that because Raf and AK smoked pot, they must be guilty....

The whole point is that all this sort of extraneous stuff is pulled out of the ether as if it means something..... It's this sort of stuff which has been the problem since the first tabloid excess....

Who cares? Not this fan boy....
 
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Kaosium said:
Or maybe someone who walked under the sill and then climbed up the wall caused the leaf to be positioned there?
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Really , so leaves on sills in the fall is cause for alarm? All those that collect in my eves trough might indicate robbers on my roof as well at my windows.
 
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