Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Grinder]

Who is this girl Kelsey Kay, and what is her agenda?

First of all send yourself to the penalty box for causing me to check into this.

It is clear to me that Raf has never been a very blight bulb. He is much to blame for both of them getting charged. He is a spoiled space cadet.

I used my psycho meter on her and she in fact a psycho according to the meter. I'm sure Eyes4Psychos will run an analysis on her.

One question came to mind: how did Raf get a lawyer and banker in Coeur D’Alene?

 

[Kaosium]

It sounds like the prosecutor's theory was item 2 on my list, that is the rock was thrown from the inside and towards the interior side of the glass. The twist is that to explain the fact that there was glass shards intruding substantially in to the room, the judge/prosecutor theorized the rock somehow bounced off the closed exterior shudder back into the room and this explains both the fact that the rock was in the room and that there were glass shards distributed in the room substantially back from the window?

No, he has them opening the window towards the inside and throwing it through the outer side of the glass towards the interior of the room, just like it had been thrown from the outside. There's more to it as well, the break-in argument is complex as not just the glass pattern in the room needs to be explained, but also the glass along the sill which is probably the glass shards from the bottom frame of the broken window that were plucked out by Rudy and placed on the sill in front of the window, (to facilitate reaching up and in to undo the latch without getting cut) and then he closed the outer shutters behind him causing them (and other particles) to 'line up' along that edge. The prosecution argument is that instead that lined-up glass is 'proof' the outer shutters were closed when the rock was thrown, and the glass there was the result of those shards and particles backspraying' or bouncing off the inner shutter at exactly the precise angle (never demonstrated) which is quite frankly absurd, at least in regard to the shards.

 

[acbytesla]

First of all send yourself to the penalty box for causing me to check into this.

It is clear to me that Raf has never been a very blight bulb. He is much to blame for both of them getting charged. He is a spoiled space cadet.
I used my psycho meter on her and she in fact a psycho according to the meter. I'm sure Eyes4Psychos will run an analysis on her.

One question came to mind: how did Raf get a lawyer and banker in Coeur D’Alene?

These are the kind of remarks that really piss me off. I don't know Raff or Amanda, I've read both their books and neither seems dumb. They are their own individuals. How do you make snap judgments like that Grinder? Do you really think you have enough information to make this kind of call?

My guess is this woman is just another person cashing in on the boutique industry which is the the Meredith Kercher/Amanda Knox story. Ten to one she was paid for this story. She wouldn't be the first.

 

[Kaosium]

They do it both times he raises himself to the ledge, first at 6:30, then at 7:35.

I would like to see a reconstruction of someone climbing the wall, climbing through the broken window, entering and exiting the bedroom, and using the bathroom, without leaving footprints containing dust, dirt, leaves or glass in either of the two rooms or the hall.

Imagine all those people who live in houses who manage to come into their homes having walked on grass, leaves and dirt outside who don't leave perfect trails everywhere they walk in their house each and every time.

Incidentally there's chalky-looking marks the same color as the wall right inside the window where someone might have stepped after climbing in, having gotten that on their shoes as they climbed the wall. There's also glass fragments in the murder room that could have been transferred via Rudy's clothes or shoes from his breaking in that window.

 

[Kaosium]

As for the glass on the ledge, it is lined up because when the rock hit the window and the shutter, they slammed open into the room, against the doors of the closet, which fell open, then swung back shut, lining up the glass on the ledge, then swung back open into the room in their final resting place.

Wrong shutters, it's that they line up with where the outer shutters close that's in question.

If I were a burglar removing shards of glass from a window, I would throw them on the ground, not lay them neatly on the windowsill where I might have to step or climb across them.

Or you could just reach in and undo the latch and then go in the side without the glass. Rudy doesn't have to go in on the same side as the window he broke, that would be kinda stupid actually.

 

[acbytesla]

Imagine all those people who live in houses who manage to come into their homes having walked on grass, leaves and dirt outside who don't leave perfect trails everywhere they walk in their house each and every time.

Incidentally there's chalky-looking marks the same color as the wall right inside the window where someone might have stepped after climbing in having gotten that on their shoes as they climbed the wall. There's also glass fragments in the murder room that could have been transferred via Rudy's clothes or shoes from his breaking in that window.

I've always thought that the idea that there had to be some very obvious evidence of the climb to be absurd.
Locard's exchange principle is i'm sure very correct and that would be fine if the wall was pristine to begin with. However, this is an exterior wall exposed to the elements where dirt, soil and pollen is deposited daily by the wind. How does one differentiate from soil that is wind driven versus something from the toe of Rudy's shoes?

Never the less, the scientific police didn't perform a thorough examination of the wall, this is perfunctory review at best.

This just isn't evidence. It is bull feces.

 

[Diocletus]

Imagine all those people who live in houses who manage to come into their homes having walked on grass, leaves and dirt outside who don't leave perfect trails everywhere they walk in their house each and every time.

Imagine all of the detritus that must be accumulated in guilter houses. Wow.

 

[Kaosium]

I think Batttistelli is conflating the time he reached the cottage's porch (12:59 pm ?) with the time (15+ minutes earlier) when he and his partner first arrived in the vicinity and Battistelli got out of the car to try to figure out where the cottage is, given that they were confused by the change of street names, and his partner then drove off for 15 minutes to circle the neighborhood and come back to where Battistelli was waiting for him. But - CAN YOU TRUST A POLICE OFFICER TO TELL THE TRUTH if he has lied to avoid embarrasement? Battistelli already testified that he did not enter Meredith's room and lift the duvet - even though seeing if he she was alive and if he could save her life would seem to be critical. Marco Altieri is adament that he saw Battistelli enter the room and lift the duvet. Based on Altieri's testimony that he DID see Battistelli enter Meredith's room and lift the duvet, and that it would be natural and critical to see if she is alive and needs critical aid, I believe Battistelli lied in his court testimony and his testimony on everything needs to be treated as tainted or false.

Heh, Massei even notes that Battistelli had problems with his 'memory.'

 

[Kaosium]

Imagine all of the detritus that must be accumulated in guilter houses. Wow.

Yet they don't expect any sort of trail from the rock being procured, isn't that curious?

 

[acbytesla]

Imagine all those people who live in houses who manage to come into their homes having walked on grass, leaves and dirt outside who don't leave perfect trails everywhere they walk in their house each and every time.

Incidentally there's chalky-looking marks the same color as the wall right inside the window where someone might have stepped after climbing in, having gotten that on their shoes as they climbed the wall. There's also glass fragments in the murder room that could have been transferred via Rudy's clothes or shoes from his breaking in that window.

How does one differentiate loose soil that Rudy dragged into the house as opposed to Amanda's, Raffaeles, Filomena's, Giacomo's, Stefano's, Battisteli's and the countless other people that tracked their way in and out of the cottage before everyone had to put on booties?

Tracking blood from one spot to the next is one thing but soil from outside?

Worthless.

 

[anglolawyer]

Heh, Massei even notes that Battistelli had problems with his 'memory.'

He forgot he moved the lamp too.

 

[Diocletus]

He forgot he moved the lamp too.

I fairness to Massei, he seems to have sniffed out that this Battistelli guy is a weasel, and totally ignored him on the following issues:

1. Entering the room
2. The lamp
3. Arriving before the emergency call

 

[Kaosium]

He forgot he moved the lamp too.

Hi Anglo! Good to see you posting again!

As far as I'm concerned that goddamn lamp ought to be shoved so far up his posterior we could flick the switch and his head would light up like a jack-o-lantern.

 

[Grinder]

He forgot he moved the lamp too.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo the lamp is back.

Well at least nothing about police deleted text messages

Welcome back!

 

[Chris_Halkides]

false positive with luminol

From Kaosium's link: "The luminol reaction, like other presumptive tests for blood, can result in false positives (i.e. it is not 100% specific to human hemoglobin). Luminol has been found to react with copper ions, copper compounds, iron compounds, cobalt ions, potassium permanganate, sodium hypochlorite (bleach), plant peroxidases (such as fresh potato juice), metals, some cleaners, soil, and cigarette smoke [11, 32, 33]." Most of these were not new to me, but cigarette smoke is. I also found one reference some time ago that Draino gives a positive reaction.

 

[Kaosium]

I've always thought that the idea that there had to be some very obvious evidence of the climb to be absurd.
Locard's exchange principle is i'm sure very correct and that would be fine if the wall was pristine to begin with. However, this is an exterior wall exposed to the elements where dirt, soil and pollen is deposited daily by the wind. How does one differentiate from soil that is wind driven versus something from the toe of Rudy's shoes?

Never the less, the scientific police didn't perform a thorough examination of the wall, this is perfunctory review at best.

This just isn't evidence. It is bull feces.

Also as Ron Hendry points out and Dan-O has also documented, there are marks on that wall as well as a hole from where a nail might have been that was dislodged due to Rudy's climb.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Well, it sounds like Crini did at least a little homework. That's a pretty bold walk back. What will the headlines say now?

I think the plan is to acquit Raffaele, or convict him of an accessory charge, and convict Amanda who they know is safe in the US. That way they can serve up a big plate of scrumptious guilt with none of the calories.

 

[acbytesla]

I think the plan is to acquit Raffaele, or convict him of an accessory charge, and convict Amanda who they know is safe in the US. That way they can serve up a big plate of scrumptious guilt with none of the calories.

How do they do that exactly? You think Massie's motivation was strange? Think about how they could possible write a motivation that comes to this conclusion Charlie. There is less credible evidence that Amanda is in that bedroom during the murder than Raffaele.

With all due respect Charlie, I couldn't disagree more. This is going either with both Raffaele and Amanda's convictions being exactly the same (with the exception of the callunia charge) or there will be an acquittal.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Italian food

I think the plan is to acquit Raffaele, or convict him of an accessory charge, and convict Amanda who they know is safe in the US. That way they can serve up a big plate of scrumptious guilt with none of the calories.

And sentence Raffaele to time served. Perhaps they will even mutter that he could be guilty, but not BARD.

 

[codyjuneau]

Imagine all those people who live in houses who manage to come into their homes having walked on grass, leaves and dirt outside who don't leave perfect trails everywhere they walk in their house each and every time.

Incidentally there's chalky-looking marks the same color as the wall right inside the window where someone might have stepped after climbing in, having gotten that on their shoes as they climbed the wall. There's also glass fragments in the murder room that could have been transferred via Rudy's clothes or shoes from his breaking in that window.

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There is also a leaf on the far right of the window ledge as viewed from the inside, and a leaf on the floor somewhere near the waste paper basket.
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