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How much time do we really have?

MikeG said:
Thanks for taking the trouble to do that, Brian-M. It's beyond stupid that anyone should have to, but there we are.

I'd just add that this one:

is also a 50/50 chance. They either would or wouldn't re-enter Mecca. Again, this is not even slightly impressive a prediction.

mikeb768......what would impress us much more would be a list of as-yet-unfulfilled predictions, which we could then tick off as they happened. Any chance of that list?

And what about a list of those predictions which have turned out to be outright failures? Don't suppose you have that to hand, do you?
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So I'm guessing that you have been unable to locate the list of "outright failures" which you had previously mentioned?

Also consider the fact that making a prediction which has even a 50/50 chance is quite risky when you consider what is at stake. For example, would a rational person agree place their house, car , wife and kids all on the line based on a coin flip? Well that is pretty much what we have here, wouldn't you agree. The only way such a proposition would make any sense is that the person making the claim already knows the outcome, or they have the ability to change the outcome in their favor.

“How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth...”
― Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
mikeb768 said:
So I'm guessing that you have been unable to locate the list of "outright failures" which you had previously mentioned?

Also consider the fact that making a prediction which has even a 50/50 chance is quite risky when you consider what is at stake. For example, would a rational person agree place their house, car , wife and kids all on the line based on a coin flip? Well that is pretty much what we have here, wouldn't you agree. The only way such a proposition would make any sense is that the person making the claim already knows the outcome, or they have the ability to change the outcome in their favor.

“How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth...”
― Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
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you are quoting the words of a fictional character created by an author who believed fairies are real. I guess that should not come as a surprise.
 
abaddon said:
you are quoting the words of a fictional character created by an author who believed fairies are real. I guess that should not come as a surprise.
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The quote rings true. Also why focus on the quote and not the contents of the post? Is it that you are easily distracted, or is it that you actually agree with what has been put forward.
 
That statement is too long to be a practical bumper sticker, but that's all it is.
"...whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth...”.. may just indicate a failure to research in the proper direction, or more thoroughly.
Stopping when one finds the answer one desires is usual.
The real answer may be more complex, or even simpler!
 
mikeb768 said:
Yes, I remember Pyrts' post. Although he never came back to respond to the question of: "What is the actual crux of the argument being made?"
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That may be because nobody really understands what you want. You post some stuff (your OP) and somebody posts the link to a rebuttal. Which you promptly dismissed based on the most vapid grounds.

I mean ... Do you even care for the stuff that you post? :confused:
 
What makes your magic book of predictions any more accurate than any other magic book of predictions?

As they almost say 'Past Predictions are no guarantee of Future Results'

All magic books claim their predictions are true. Why is yours any better?
 
mikeb768 said:
“How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth...” ― Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
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If more than one thing remains, at best one of them can be the truth.

Have you read the stuff on the Haman "Hoax" yet?
 
mikeb768 said:
So do you have some insight into the Catholic understanding of "Papal infallibility"?
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More than you do obviously.

mikeb768 said:
So the Pope is made to hand over his label of "infallibility" at the time of either death or resignation. Good to know. Is this something which is thought to occur instantaneously or does it take a bit of time to wear off?
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Other than attempting to cover over your previous errors, what meaning is this supposed to have?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
What makes your magic book of predictions any more accurate than any other magic book of predictions?

As they almost say 'Past Predictions are no guarantee of Future Results'

All magic books claim their predictions are true. Why is yours any better?
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I'm only familiar with the the quote you have mentioned being used in reference to financial markets. I highly doubt that it would also apply to the word of God.

Also why is it that you seem to want to associate the Quran with Magic?
 
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Craig B said:
If more than one thing remains, at best one of them can be the truth.

Have you read the stuff on the Haman "Hoax" yet?
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No, but if you have a good understanding of what the actual claim is maybe you would like to share it with the rest of us?
 
mikeb768 said:
I'm only familiar with the the quote you have mentioned being used in reference to financial markets. I highly doubt that it would also apply to the word of God.

Also why is it that you seem to want to associate the Quran with Magic?
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My point is there are lots of books that claim to be the word of some god or other.
They are all full of magic happenings

Prophecies are only ever spotted after the fact in any of these magic books including the one you happen to like.

your book of little stories is no more special than any other.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
My point is there are lots of books that claim to be the word of some god or other.
They are all full of magic happenings

Prophecies are only ever spotted after the fact in any of these magic books including the one you happen to like.

your book of little stories is no more special than any other.
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The definition of a "Prophecy" is a prediction. So how else could a prophecy be spotted besides after the fact?

Straw man
 
mikeb768 said:
The definition of a "Prophecy" is a prediction. So how else could a prophecy be spotted besides after the fact?

Straw man
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Nonsense. Here is a prophecy that could have been spotted as such the very moment it was made. Matthew 24:
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
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That is identifiable as a prophecy immediately. "After the fact" i.e. when said generation had finally all passed away, it could be further identified as a false prophecy.
 
mikeb768 said:
The definition of a "Prophecy" is a prediction. So how else could a prophecy be spotted besides after the fact?

Straw man
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That isn't really a strawman fallacy. What Captain_Swoop is saying is that most "prophecies" are hammered to fit and painted to match a posteriori. Such prophetic claims are made ambiguously enough that they can easily be applied to any number of situations simply by asserting that various vague components of the prediction represent specific events, people or things.
 
Foster Zygote said:
That isn't really a strawman fallacy. What Captain_Swoop is saying is that most "prophecies" are hammered to fit and painted to match a posteriori. Such prophetic claims are made ambiguously enough that they can easily be applied to any number of situations simply by asserting that various vague components of the prediction represent specific events, people or things.
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Yes, everyone is quite aware of the techniques used by so called "Psychics". For Example
(*the female host is completely convinced although Paul Zenon takes it a little to far at the end, also a side note Leigh Catherine the self proclaimed psychic who is sitting next to Mr. Zenon "somewhat" agrees to the take up the James Randi challenge, although to my knowledge she has yet to make schedule an appearance or claim her Million dollar prize.)

Examples such as the one above are not what we are talking about. As the things mentioned in the Quran and highlighted in Green seem pretty specific.

Which of the things that are mentioned in the OP do you feel fall into the category of being forced/misrepresented as you suggest?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
All of them
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You should study your history, you claim to be from the UK (in your profile) but yet you are unaware of the fact that the gathering of Jewish people from among various nations (as in the formation of Israel) was actually part of a British mandate? Are you really from the UK?

You could have at least clicked on the provided link before answering.
 
mikeb768 said:
You should study your history, you claim to be from the UK (in your profile) but yet you are unaware of the fact that the gathering of Jewish people from among various nations (as in the formation of Israel) was actually part of a British mandate? Are you really from the UK?

You could have at least clicked on the provided link before answering.
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Stop being cheeky. Do you mean that Israel was created on the previous Mandatory Territory of Palestine?
 
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