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Depending on the medical staff will cost you some money
depending on angels could cost you your life.
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Does a Belief in Angels Have the Power to Heal? (Dr. Oz show)
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Depending on the medical staff will cost you some money
depending on angels could cost you your life.
tsig
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Invisible beings always get in a snit when you don't believe in them.
(or so I'm told by believers)
Foolmewunz
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So? Did anyone actually catch the show? It shoud have been yesterday afternoon, I believe.
Yeah, did someone take a hit for the team?
Oddly, someone asked me if i had any angel hair recently. And this question was asked completely out of the blue, with no prior correspondences. Like...one month after a prior correspondence, this was the first question asked me.
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Maybe that was figurative manna sent from heaven to feed my soul...to keep me fed with spiritual terms... to help keep my mind on that which is supposed to mean the most to us.
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Maybe that was figurative manna sent from heaven to feed my soul...to keep me fed with spiritual terms... to help keep my mind on that which is supposed to mean the most to us.
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Is it the same thing a duck says?
Actually, I think not in this case. The spirits and fetishes hints at a more religious type of healer that has 'doctor' in his title.
Which Doctor are you talking about?
I am a registered nurse. With all the idiocy I see, I am tempted to start an over the telephone reiki
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It would be great if one day some deep undercover skeptic working as a shaman or psychic went on Dr Oz's show. He could talk all this pseudo-profound spiritual mumbo jumbo about healing and the mind, and Dr Oz does his usual credulous idiot shtick, not being able to resist putting his excited lips on the psychic's rear end.
Then a few days later, the skeptic reveals it was all a big hoax meant to fool Oz and his audience. While I don't think it would cause many true-believers to give up their beliefs, this may help turn the fence-sitters into skeptics.
Then a few days later, the skeptic reveals it was all a big hoax meant to fool Oz and his audience. While I don't think it would cause many true-believers to give up their beliefs, this may help turn the fence-sitters into skeptics.
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Rebecca Rosen; vague, yet "so concrete" and "so accurate"
"Psychic Medium" Rebecca Rosen
I recorded and watched the Dr. Oz Show, Does a Belief in Angels Have the Power to Heal? Original air date: Friday, 17 January 2014. Rebecca Rosen was presented as a "Psychic Medium" and author, including an image of her book, Awaken the Spirit Within. Does a Belief in Angels segment comprised about 13-and-a-half minutes of this one-hour Dr. Oz Show.
Additional segments on this show
The other portions of the show contained a segment about three signs you're aging too fast, a segment on dandruff, a segment about oil of oregano, a segment about a woman named Lakeisha on a 100-day video journey of losing weight and finding self esteem, with the show ending with JANYOUARY (31 days to a better YOU).
Rebecca's intro
Rebecca said she realized she had "this gift" to talk with angels back in college; stated she "slipped into a depression," and "In order to cope...decided to start journaling as a source of therapy." While writing down her thoughts and feelings, a "very strong energy" went through her. Rebecca stated she wrote things only her dad could "validate as true," and "he did." Later in the show, the journal writing was called automatic writing.WP Rosen gave a brief 'demonstration' of automatic writing using Dr. Oz as the subject.
Rosen went on to say her grandmother and guardian angel helped her heal and take care of her health. I believe Rebecca stated that "angels are beings of light," and are "sent to us to help protect, comfort and heal...."
Describing Dr. Oz
Watching this episode, it's clear (to me) that Dr. Oz appears to accept, believe and promote, anecdotal paranormal health/spiritual claims at face value. In this show, Dr. Oz does not follow any scientific methodology. Dr Oz does not provide any scientific evidence that 1) angels exist, 2) angels exist and help us physically and emotionally, or that 3) Rebecca Rosen is a "psychic medium" who can call on angels to help heal and take care of her own (or other people's) health. Dr. Oz does not provide scientific proof that those purported angels are "...specifically interested in our physical well-being" that he "gathered from what" Rebecca Rosen was saying. Rosen followed Dr. Oz's statement with, "Absolutely, angels are all around us. It's almost like a doctor that's on call."
DR. OZ PRESENTS... BRAIN SCANS
Dr. Oz says he's "a scientist primarily" and scientists are "often skeptical," and goes on to say "...issues like these are fascinating, to me personally, so if you want to join me I want to show the audience some fascinating new information about what happens when we actually pray, when we have this faith, that you’re speaking of." Rebecca speaks of angels as existing, her ability (claim) to mediumistic channeling, and angels acting as "conduits" as God's messengers to help us deal with "...any type of health issue be it a physical or mental health condition..."
Dr. Oz and "Psychic Medium" Rebecca Rosen get out of their chairs and walk up to a video wall. Dr. Oz points to two, fMRI (functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging) brain scans. The red color seen in the side-by-side image comparisons is to demonstrate the difference in frontal lobe size, and (high) activity, between a "Baseline" brain and a "Meditation" brain. The "Meditation" brain shows more red, in larger areas.
To me, the order, manner, and context in which the brain scans were presented, was intentionally done to imply a correlation between an increase of frontal lobe brain activity through prayer- and being open to the possibility of letting angels in, to help protect, comfort and heal. I got the impression that the "Meditating" brain image, with it's larger areas of red-colored activity, was due to angel-activity related. No, I don't believe in angels, and no, I don't believe there is any correlation, or cause and effect, of angels on the brain. Note: I'd like to hear your thoughts from someone else who saw the program, to see how you viewed the brain scan presentation .
How Rebecca does the "nitty gritty" (automatic writing)
Dr. Oz is "intrigued by this process" of (supposed) automatic writing and asks Rebecca to see if there's a guardian angel in his life. Rebecca explains that automatic writing is "just a form of channeling...and it's a stream of consciousness that's being channeled through us by a higher energy." Rebecca writes on a lined-paper notebook in able-to-read, cursive writing. She wrote "Yes dear one He is a very important" before telling Dr. Oz she could talk faster, and be more effective, if she put the pen and paper down. So she put the paper down and talked for the rest of the show.
There was no scientific study shown to validate a paranormal connection between Rebecca's writing on a page with thoughts from angels- guess I'm supposed to take her word that her writing is connecting with angels? And, in addition, I'm supposed to believe that what she says, are words from angels?
I got the sense that Dr. Oz believed Rebecca channelled angels when she told him things about his watch.
Rebecca asks if Dr. Oz ever went to Florida. "We do."
Rebecca asks if he knows somebody named Ken or "that's like Ken" who passed on. Dr. Oz said, "Well, his name was Kimmo (spelling?)." Ken? Kimmo? for Dr. Oz "Ken" was a 'hit' or validation that one of Dr. Oz's higher guides was connecting with him.
And the watch battery gone bad was a 'hit.'
Rebecca mentioned (relating to Kimmo) he showed her the number 11, and asked Dr Oz what that means to him. "I was born on the 11th." June "11" 1960 is on the Dr. OzWP wikipedia page.
It appeared to me, that Dr. Oz was impressed by specifics of what Rebecca Rosen told him, the Dr. Oz said, "I thought you were going to be very vague, I didn’t think you were so concrete."
There's more to review, but I'll stop for now
I see my review of this Dr. Oz Show is getting very long, and I haven't written about the rest of the segment with "Psychic Medium" Rebecca Rosen. Ms. Rosen went on to do some 'readings' for audience members. One young man ended up in tears, emotionally sad over statements made by Rosen. I'll write more quotes of what she said, but her statements/questions were vague, although the young man, when asked by Dr. Oz why it was so emotional for him, the man replied, "Um, ‘cause everything is so accurate and it was a very tough loss and uh, it was very comforting to know that uh, she keeps us in mind, and it’s not easy hearing all this, you know."
Iatrogenic effect (detrimental effect, or, harm)
It is my opinion that Dr. Oz does not practice medicine honestly on the Dr. Oz Show; at times, Dr. Oz presents personal, biased, paranormal beliefs instead of science-based fact, and that by doing so, has the potential to cause harm. From what was presented in the Does a Belief in Angels Have the Power to Heal? I see the possibility of iatrogenic effect. Dr. Oz has a very powerful, public platform, through the Dr. Oz Show, and other social media outlets available on the Internet. I find some of Dr. Oz's actions, as well as others, involved with the production, promotion and airing of the Dr. Oz Show, to be despicable.
"Psychic Medium" Rebecca Rosen
I recorded and watched the Dr. Oz Show, Does a Belief in Angels Have the Power to Heal? Original air date: Friday, 17 January 2014. Rebecca Rosen was presented as a "Psychic Medium" and author, including an image of her book, Awaken the Spirit Within. Does a Belief in Angels segment comprised about 13-and-a-half minutes of this one-hour Dr. Oz Show.
Additional segments on this show
The other portions of the show contained a segment about three signs you're aging too fast, a segment on dandruff, a segment about oil of oregano, a segment about a woman named Lakeisha on a 100-day video journey of losing weight and finding self esteem, with the show ending with JANYOUARY (31 days to a better YOU).
Rebecca's intro
Rebecca said she realized she had "this gift" to talk with angels back in college; stated she "slipped into a depression," and "In order to cope...decided to start journaling as a source of therapy." While writing down her thoughts and feelings, a "very strong energy" went through her. Rebecca stated she wrote things only her dad could "validate as true," and "he did." Later in the show, the journal writing was called automatic writing.WP Rosen gave a brief 'demonstration' of automatic writing using Dr. Oz as the subject.
Rosen went on to say her grandmother and guardian angel helped her heal and take care of her health. I believe Rebecca stated that "angels are beings of light," and are "sent to us to help protect, comfort and heal...."
Describing Dr. Oz
Watching this episode, it's clear (to me) that Dr. Oz appears to accept, believe and promote, anecdotal paranormal health/spiritual claims at face value. In this show, Dr. Oz does not follow any scientific methodology. Dr Oz does not provide any scientific evidence that 1) angels exist, 2) angels exist and help us physically and emotionally, or that 3) Rebecca Rosen is a "psychic medium" who can call on angels to help heal and take care of her own (or other people's) health. Dr. Oz does not provide scientific proof that those purported angels are "...specifically interested in our physical well-being" that he "gathered from what" Rebecca Rosen was saying. Rosen followed Dr. Oz's statement with, "Absolutely, angels are all around us. It's almost like a doctor that's on call."
DR. OZ PRESENTS... BRAIN SCANS
Dr. Oz says he's "a scientist primarily" and scientists are "often skeptical," and goes on to say "...issues like these are fascinating, to me personally, so if you want to join me I want to show the audience some fascinating new information about what happens when we actually pray, when we have this faith, that you’re speaking of." Rebecca speaks of angels as existing, her ability (claim) to mediumistic channeling, and angels acting as "conduits" as God's messengers to help us deal with "...any type of health issue be it a physical or mental health condition..."
Dr. Oz and "Psychic Medium" Rebecca Rosen get out of their chairs and walk up to a video wall. Dr. Oz points to two, fMRI (functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging) brain scans. The red color seen in the side-by-side image comparisons is to demonstrate the difference in frontal lobe size, and (high) activity, between a "Baseline" brain and a "Meditation" brain. The "Meditation" brain shows more red, in larger areas.
To me, the order, manner, and context in which the brain scans were presented, was intentionally done to imply a correlation between an increase of frontal lobe brain activity through prayer- and being open to the possibility of letting angels in, to help protect, comfort and heal. I got the impression that the "Meditating" brain image, with it's larger areas of red-colored activity, was due to angel-activity related. No, I don't believe in angels, and no, I don't believe there is any correlation, or cause and effect, of angels on the brain. Note: I'd like to hear your thoughts from someone else who saw the program, to see how you viewed the brain scan presentation .
How Rebecca does the "nitty gritty" (automatic writing)
Dr. Oz is "intrigued by this process" of (supposed) automatic writing and asks Rebecca to see if there's a guardian angel in his life. Rebecca explains that automatic writing is "just a form of channeling...and it's a stream of consciousness that's being channeled through us by a higher energy." Rebecca writes on a lined-paper notebook in able-to-read, cursive writing. She wrote "Yes dear one He is a very important" before telling Dr. Oz she could talk faster, and be more effective, if she put the pen and paper down. So she put the paper down and talked for the rest of the show.
There was no scientific study shown to validate a paranormal connection between Rebecca's writing on a page with thoughts from angels- guess I'm supposed to take her word that her writing is connecting with angels? And, in addition, I'm supposed to believe that what she says, are words from angels?
I got the sense that Dr. Oz believed Rebecca channelled angels when she told him things about his watch.
Rebecca asks if Dr. Oz ever went to Florida. "We do."
Rebecca asks if he knows somebody named Ken or "that's like Ken" who passed on. Dr. Oz said, "Well, his name was Kimmo (spelling?)." Ken? Kimmo? for Dr. Oz "Ken" was a 'hit' or validation that one of Dr. Oz's higher guides was connecting with him.
And the watch battery gone bad was a 'hit.'
Rebecca mentioned (relating to Kimmo) he showed her the number 11, and asked Dr Oz what that means to him. "I was born on the 11th." June "11" 1960 is on the Dr. OzWP wikipedia page.
It appeared to me, that Dr. Oz was impressed by specifics of what Rebecca Rosen told him, the Dr. Oz said, "I thought you were going to be very vague, I didn’t think you were so concrete."
There's more to review, but I'll stop for now
I see my review of this Dr. Oz Show is getting very long, and I haven't written about the rest of the segment with "Psychic Medium" Rebecca Rosen. Ms. Rosen went on to do some 'readings' for audience members. One young man ended up in tears, emotionally sad over statements made by Rosen. I'll write more quotes of what she said, but her statements/questions were vague, although the young man, when asked by Dr. Oz why it was so emotional for him, the man replied, "Um, ‘cause everything is so accurate and it was a very tough loss and uh, it was very comforting to know that uh, she keeps us in mind, and it’s not easy hearing all this, you know."
Iatrogenic effect (detrimental effect, or, harm)
It is my opinion that Dr. Oz does not practice medicine honestly on the Dr. Oz Show; at times, Dr. Oz presents personal, biased, paranormal beliefs instead of science-based fact, and that by doing so, has the potential to cause harm. From what was presented in the Does a Belief in Angels Have the Power to Heal? I see the possibility of iatrogenic effect. Dr. Oz has a very powerful, public platform, through the Dr. Oz Show, and other social media outlets available on the Internet. I find some of Dr. Oz's actions, as well as others, involved with the production, promotion and airing of the Dr. Oz Show, to be despicable.
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Gord_in_Toronto
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So where's my Million? 
Oh. And thank you Ernie M for you work.
Oh. And thank you Ernie M for you work.
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Thanks for taking one for the team, Ernie.
Tricky
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"It's a small town life and I like it
'Cause the bad don't get in your way
There's an angry God gonna strike it
Yeah, that's what we pay him for, that's why we pray
Well I guess the angry God he was a-fishing
When Molly called me up with the news
Within the space of a week
Yeah, a pervert or a sex freak
Let the kids take a peek
That's more than a little cheek
No pun intended"
----Flinty Kind of Woman
----Dar Williams
----Dar Williams
bruto
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In these hard times they have to take second jobs to make ends meet. When the bus ran over you, your guardian angel was busy getting a cat out of a tree.
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I love the irony, either deliberate or accidental.
X 3.
ETA: Was skeptical or scientific rebuttal offered at all?
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Does Dr. Oz prescribe such "therapy" for any of his patients? I'll bet not, since he wouldn't want to get a visit from a review board.
It's the same question that never gets asked: "Doc, would YOU as a doctor advise one of YOUR patients to undergo this procedure??"
It's the same question that never gets asked: "Doc, would YOU as a doctor advise one of YOUR patients to undergo this procedure??"