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How much time do we really have?

OK, so it seems Maurice Bucaille may have made a mistake by not realizing that name Haman is actually found in the Bible.

Sorry, I think it's only been you who made the mistake. "This Haman ..." ;)


(And the infallibily of the pope(s) only pertains to certain issues. I can't recall the exact details ATM.)
 
So do you have some insight into the Catholic understanding of "Papal infallibility"?

Wikipedia:
Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church which states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error[1] "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church".[2]​
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
 
OK, so it seems Maurice Bucaille may have made a mistake by not realizing that name Haman is actually found in the Bible.

Maurice Bucallie has never made the claim that he was infallible. The only person who is infallible is the Pope, as we all know. Although I wonder if the actions of Pope Benedict XVI (who has since resigned as Pope), are still believed to be infallible (post resignation) by some?

But what does all of this have to do with anything?
Buchaille knows as well as anyone else that the name Haman is in the Book of Esther. He is trying to distinguish between the Haman there, who was a servant of Xerxes of Persia, not of any pharaoh of Egypt, from the references in the Quran, which erroneously places Haman in Egypt. Buchaille is trying in effect to claim that the imaginary Quranic Haman is not mentioned in the Bible, ie that there were two such people, one in each country. It's nonsense.
 
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Buchaille knows as well as anyone else that the name Haman is in the Book of Esther. He is trying to distinguish between the Haman there, who was a servant of Xerxes of Persia, not of any pharaoh of Egypt, from the references in the Quran, which erroneously places Haman in Egypt. Buchaille is trying in effect to claim that the imaginary Quranic Haman is not mentioned in the Bible, ie that there were two such people, one in each country. It's nonsense.

At some point you would have to realize the fact that if Buchaille knew of this or not, it actually has no relevance to the current discussion. Link
 
Wikipedia:
Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church which states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error[1] "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church".[2]​
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

So the Pope is made to hand over his label of "infallibility" at the time of either death or resignation. Good to know. Is this something which is thought to occur instantaneously or does it take a bit of time to wear off?
 
So the Pope is made to hand over his label of "infallibility" at the time of either death or resignation. Good to know. Is this something which is thought to occur instantaneously or does it take a bit of time to wear off?
"it actually has no relevance to the current discussion."
 
OK, so it seems Maurice Bucaille may have made a mistake by not realizing that name Haman is actually found in the Bible.

Maurice Bucallie has never made the claim that he was infallible. The only person who is infallible is the Pope, as we all know. Although I wonder if the actions of Pope Benedict XVI (who has since resigned as Pope), are still believed to be infallible (post resignation) by some?

But what does all of this have to do with anything?

I forgot to answer this last, highlighted bit. It's got something to do with this:
Quran correctly identifies a close ally of the Egyptian Pharaoh during the time of Moses, by the name of Haman.
[Quran 28:6, 8, 38; 29:39; 40:24, 36] Link

Pyrts posted a link that addresses this very claim/argument:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9767791&postcount=91

And then ...
 
How does someone "justify a prophecy after the fact"?

Can you provide us with an example?
I'm saying you're in no position to accuse others of placing their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes, and humming loudly to themselves unless you've objectively considered all other points of view. Have you really looked over the rebuttals to your claims with an open mind? Have you thought about why people might resist your attempts to proselytize on these forums? Has it ever occurred to you that people have legitimate reasons to reject the teachings of the Quran?

As for the prophecies, I was referring to what devnull said in post #124.
 
I'm saying you're in no position to accuse others of placing their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes, and humming loudly to themselves unless you've objectively considered all other points of view. Have you really looked over the rebuttals to your claims with an open mind? Have you thought about why people might resist your attempts to proselytize on these forums? Has it ever occurred to you that people have legitimate reasons to reject the teachings of the Quran?

As for the prophecies, I was referring to what devnull said in post #124.

So which of the 9 Green blocks found in the OP are we talking about. It is almost like you and devnull are being intentionally vague with your responses.

Also I'm not even sure that devnull bothered to read past the first sentence in the OP, since he keeps bringing up the issue of "science in the Quran".
 
So which of the 9 Green blocks found in the OP are we talking about. It is almost like you and devnull are being intentionally vague with your responses.

The entirety of the OP is no different from the kinds of crap people have always said. It's really nothing new. Ever hear of confirmation bias? I'd refer you back to post #11.
 
The entirety of the OP is no different from the kinds of crap people have always said. It's really nothing new. Ever hear of confirmation bias? I'd refer you back to post #11.

OK, so you believe everything that "Brian-M" posts? Despite many of the things which he has stated being absolutely off base, and despite him providing absolutely zero evidence for his claims?

Some of the positions he does not even attempt to refute, he only jots a few comments of opinion or speculation about a particular point which has been stated.

Which of his pseudo refutations gave you the highest amount of confidence? Exactly what was so convincing?
 
OK, so you believe everything that "Brian-M" posts? Despite many of the things which he has stated being absolutely off base, and despite him providing absolutely zero evidence for his claims?

Some of the positions he does not even attempt to refute, he only jots a few comments of opinion or speculation about a particular point which has been stated.

Which of his pseudo refutations gave you the highest amount of confidence? Exactly what was so convincing?
Did you miss the part about how all end-of-the-world claims are BS in the first place? That was the focal point of my argument. There's a reason why I linked you to the list of doomsday prophecies that failed. Regardless of what any holy book or religion says, the world just keeps on turning.
 
Did you miss the part about how all end-of-the-world claims are BS in the first place? That was the focal point of my argument. There's a reason why I linked you to the list of doomsday prophecies that failed. Regardless of what any holy book or religion says, the world just keeps on turning.

Well, so far we seem to be on track. I'm not claiming to know any dates or time frames. That's why none have been listed, other than for the events which have already come to pass.

The Book which you do not believe to be sincere and true, then goes on to ask? "Are they waiting for these much larger things to occur?" (paraphrasing)
[Quran 6:158]
 

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