Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Skind]

Fair? Gratuitous remarks to degrade the victim ,Very rape like in fact.We both know it wasn't the reference to pot that was the boundary you crossed.

Only the remarks to illegal pot growing could be considered degrading.

The other remarks would indicate that Meredith was a fairly run-of-the-mill Leeds student who happened to like pot, like a very large number of students.

The only person degrading her is you. By attributing degrading values to Merediths characteristics, you are the one asserting that she was somehow a lesser person for going out pubbing, trying pot, trying anal.

The rest of us? Well, some of us have actually been to Uni in Britain. Meredith wouldn't have stood out at all, especially not in a student city like Leeds.

 

[js202]

What a revolting excuse to smear the victim to " elevate Amanda" , how could you. The depth you have sunk to violate and shame a murdered girl is unforgivable.

By whom, on this internet message board - or the entire WWW, for that matter - should Diocletus expect to be forgiven? Is there some ghost in the machine whom you expect to reach out from behind his screen and deliver him a fine for his would-be insensitivity? Your post is a case-study in the puffed-up, phony, self-congratulatory ire of the PGP cult.

 

[Skind]

You have made your unfortunate position and purpose very clear. All is fair when supporting Amanda. My final comment to you is, hopefully the Kerchers have no idea this site exists. The thought of a family member having to read your sick irrelevant thoughts about her sex life is inhumane.

If you have evidence of any family member visiting this site, then please present the evidence.

Otherwise your last comment is just irrelevant rhetoric.

Meredith was extensively discussed in court, with the family present. They have faced down a heck of a lot more than some guy on the internet purporting that Meredith may have done anal.

They aren't as weak and fragile as you think they are. Have some respect for them.

 

[Strozzi]

All of Machiavelli's comparisons between Meredith and Amanda got me wondering, so I created this chart. I hope this is helpful. I'm working on a powerpoint.

1. Alcohol:

Meredith--Binge Drinker​

Amanda--Normal​

2. Drugs

Meredith--Pot Smoker​

Amanda--Pot Smoker​

3. Boyfriend

Meredith--Criminal (Pot grower)​

Amanda--Harry Potter​

4. Sex

Meredith--Anal​

Amanda--Vibrator​

5. Illegal Activity

Meredith--Conspiracy to grow marijuana​

Amanda--Noise complaint​

6. Grooming/Hygene

Meredith--Brazilian​

Amanda--Skidder in Toilet​

You missed a few. These are mostly based on October 2007 timeframe.

Employment
Meredith--unemployed (student)
Amanda--employed part-time (student)

Favorite Food
Meredith--unleaven pizza
Amanda--tea and biscuits

Boyfriend Type
Meredith--rock drummer
Amanda--nerd

Favorite Music
Meredith--heavy metal, rock
Amanda--accustic guitar

Contraception
Meredith--borrows from friends
Amanda--plans ahead

Favorite Holloween Costume
Meredith--vampire
Amanda--cat

Public Reputation
Meredith--virginal
Amanda--slut

Favorite Package Delivery Service
Meredith--no preference
Amanda--UPS

 

[Briars]

So Briars, in your opinion was Meredith the easy going and friendly girl described by her friends or the puritanical, confrontational clean freak described by the prosecution?

I'd always thought of her as a normal student who liked a good drink and had a healthy attitude to sex and an active and varied sex life. I just can't imagine her getting so angry at the sight of a vibrator and some minor household cleaning problems, that she was driven to confront Amanda in such a way that Amanda was so humiliated that she was driven into a murderous rage?

Nancy as a woman I would have thought you might take offence to the recent horrific post involving the murdered girt.You want to spin it or justify it? We have nothing to share or discuss.

 

[Welshman]

According to Machiavelli the idea of someone being killed walking in on a burglary is unreslistic and can never happen but the following are realistic scenarios :-

* Amanda barely knew Guede and Raffaele did not know Guede at all. Without knowing Guede, without communicating with Guede or having any sort of relationship with Guede Amanda and Raffaele were able to arrange a murder with Guede.

* Amanda spoke only basic Italian and Guede did not speak English. Despite this Amanda and Guede communicate with no problems.

* A woman helps a virtual stranger sexually assault and murder another woman. A scenario with no precedent in the history of crime.

* There is no evidence Amanda and Raffaele have any hatred towards Meredith. Despite this they help a stranger rape and murder Meredith.

* A woman with no previous interest in group sex forces someone to to take part in group sex and kills her over her refusal to take part in an orgy.

* The phones of Amanda and Raffaele are tapped for three days. Amanda and Raffaele go for three days without mentioning someone they have committed a brutal murder and rape with.

 

[Bill Williams]

What a revolting excuse to smear the victim to " elevate Amanda" , how could you. The depth you have sunk to violate and shame a murdered girl is unforgivable.

There is no need to "elevate" Amanda. Both Knox and Kercher were very typical of women their age.

Then again, with your views you must be wild with anger at what Maresca did in court, showing Meredith's dead corpse for all to see....

Oh? You're not? Says all I need to hear about you.

 

[Diocletus]

Nancy as a woman I would have thought you might take offence to the recent horrific post involving the murdered girt.You want to spin it or justify it? We have nothing to share or discuss.

This is not a forum dedicated to the memory of Meredith Kercher. The purpose of this forum is primarily to discuss the guilt/innocence of Knox and Sollecito in the 2007 Perugia murder.

If Amanda Knox's alleged promiscuity, dirtiness, etc. is put forth as a motive for that murder, as has occurred with posters here and elsewhere and by the prosecution and civial parties, then it is legitimate to investigate the allegations of promiscuity, dirtiness, etc. One way of doing that is to compare her to other girls of similar age/circumstances, the most prominent and available being Meredith Kercher. This is particularly relevant, since supporters of the Kerchers, and even the Kerchers themselves, have engaged in comparisons of Knox and Kercher, whereby Kercher is made artificially to look like a saint and Knox a slut.

You cannot use comparison of Knox-Kercher as a sword against Knox, and simultaneously raise a shield against the comparison.

 

[NancyS]

Nancy as a woman I would have thought you might take offence to the recent horrific post involving the murdered girt.You want to spin it or justify it? We have nothing to share or discuss.

I thought you would avoid answering. As a woman I find it offensive that the prosecution and those that support their bizarre theories (fantasies) seem to equate being sexually active with being bad, evil and dirty. All those that insult Amanda are also insulting Meredith as they really weren't that different.

 

[Paninaro]

That story was written by an independent writer, Antonia Hoyles, that who sells the story. PL was paid. She was never sued by him so I believe he said it.

I wrote an e-mail to Hoyle some year or two ago, she answered and once again confirmed that Lumumba said what she wrote in the article. For exact date of the e-mail search my posts.

 

[NancyS]

According to Machiavelli the idea of someone being killed walking in on a burglary is unreslistic
.

This is such nonsense - Guede was known to carry a knife and had previously threatened someone with a knife. Once the knife is out, someone is likely to get seriously hurt, even if there is no initial intent to kill

 

[codyjuneau]

That story was written by an independent writer, Antonia Hoyles, that who sells the story. PL was paid. She was never sued by him so I believe he said it.

.
Was it the Daily Mail article about Amanda's party which Mignini presented in court? If so, did the defense counter with the Daily Mail article about the police beating Lumumba and calling him a dirty black?
.

 

[Briars]

I thought you would avoid answering. As a woman I find it offensive that the prosecution and those that support their bizarre theories (fantasies) seem to equate being sexually active with being bad, evil and dirty. All those that insult Amanda are also insulting Meredith as they really weren't that different.

Nancy speculating about Meredith and her intimate practices is wrong. Giving imagined detail goes way beyond saying both girls were normal and sexually active and you know it.The post was meant to expose and offend and it did. Do you think Meredith's family or friends would approve? Try to answer without mentioning Amanda or her cause.

 

[MDDVS]

You have made your unfortunate position and purpose very clear. All is fair when supporting Amanda. My final comment to you is, hopefully the Kerchers have no idea this site exists. The thought of a family member having to read your sick irrelevant thoughts about her sex life is inhumane.

I think you are confused. Diocletus didn't post any thoughts about Meredith's sex life.

 

[MDDVS]

Just to expand a bit: if you think that there's something wrong in having a boyfriend, having anal sex or having a brazilian wax, that is your problem and reflects badly on you if anything. Just stating these as facts is neither degrading or insulting to Meredith. It appers to me that she was just a normal girl.

Sex is not wrong, is not dirty and is not a sin.

 

[Skind]

Nancy speculating about Meredith and her intimate practices is wrong.

No it isn't. The police had no problem doing it, and I've yet to see any guilter complain about the police speculations, including you. That says a lot.

Context matters a lot. Discussing her intimate practices is not wrong if we were looking at possible reasons why she may have been killed and who by, nor is it wrong if we are discussing comparisons with another individual where those comparisons were initiated by the police and prosecution, and perpetuated by pro-guilt people, likely including yourself. I've never seen you complain about these comparisons when they were negative towards Knox, only when they weren't.

That.
Says.
A.
Lot.

Giving imagined detail goes way beyond saying both girls were normal and sexually active and you know it.

It's factually false to assert that anybody has given 'imagined detail'.

All that happened is that someone reminded people that she may have engaged in anal sex.

The post was meant to expose and offend and it did.

No, they were meant as commentary on a pre-existing trend for comparison. You have never complained before when these comparisons were negative towards Knox.

That. Says. A. Lot.

 

[Diocletus]

Do you think Meredith's family or friends would approve? Try to answer without mentioning Amanda or her cause.

Relevance?

 

[Dougm]

Nancy speculating about Meredith and her intimate practices is wrong. Giving imagined detail goes way beyond saying both girls were normal and sexually active and you know it.The post was meant to expose and offend and it did. Do you think Meredith's family or friends would approve? Try to answer without mentioning Amanda or her cause.

I normally have no interest talking about the personal habits of either Amanda or Meredith, since both are irrelevant to the murder case (the habits of neither of them were any different than those of millions of other college girls worldwide).

However, I thought it might be interesting to note that the part of the "list" post considered most offensive to pro-guilt audiences was disclosed to the public by none other than Barbie Nadeau, in her book, Angel Face. Nadaeu, the hero journalist to the pro-guilt crowd, is the reason we know this factoid about Meredith's personal life. Why Nadeau thought it was something we needed to know, I have no idea.

 

[MDDVS]

Briars, the real question is: can you explain how Meredith still had all her last meal inside her stomach when she died?

I think most PGP fail to understand how powerful this piece of evidence is. It makes it almost impossible for Meredith to have died after 9:30 AND this is supported by many other pieces of evidence already discussed extensively in this forum (clothes still on, unopened books on top of bed, no more phone calls, etc.). I mean, for all intents and purposes Meredith disappeared to the outside world after she got home: no phone calls, but also no internet activity, no witnesses. Except Guede who said she died at around 9:30.

The there are those unusual connections to a far way mobile phone tower. further evidence she was aready dead by 10:15 or so.

Compared with this you have: luminol blobs that may or may not be blood and may or may not be connected with the crime, subjective opinion but no prove that the break in was staged. And I think that's it, because obviously stuff like Amanda was eating pizza, a coerced confused statement, and discredited DNA evidence don't really count.

 

[Strozzi]

Briars, the real question is: can you explain how Meredith still had all her last meal inside her stomach when she died?

I think most PGP fail to understand how powerful this piece of evidence is. It makes it almost impossible for Meredith to have died after 9:30 AND this is supported by many other pieces of evidence already discussed extensively in this forum (clothes still on, unopened books on top of bed, no more phone calls, etc.). I mean, for all intents and purposes Meredith disappeared to the outside world after she got home: no phone calls, but also no internet activity, no witnesses. Except Guede who said she died at around 9:30.

The there are those unusual connections to a far way mobile phone tower. further evidence she was aready dead by 10:15 or so.

Compared with this you have: luminol blobs that may or may not be blood and may or may not be connected with the crime, subjective opinion but no prove that the break in was staged. And I think that's it, because obviously stuff like Amanda was eating pizza, a coerced confused statement, and discredited DNA evidence don't really count.

One more real fact:
Rudy Guede, trying to explain away his presence in Meredith's flat in an innocent way, said he was in the toilet and heard Meredith scream so loudly he thought (feared) anyone on the street could have heard it. He said the scream occurred at about 9:20 pm. Video evidence shows that Meredith approached her front door at about 9 pm and it has been calculated that she would have actually entered at about 9:04 pm.