Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[AmyStrange]

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I agree 100 percent and I'm not sure why I would find that insulting.

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It seemed to me that you took umbrage with my finding it interesting. Besides, even with all the contortions you have to take to believe Rudy's story, I still think his original story may have been true, just not all that probable that it was.

Rudy would have helped his case more if he had at least tried to call 911 (or whatever it is in Italy) and then stayed until the cops or at least the ambulance came, but once he leaves that house and Meredith to die. that's when him and his story begins to really stink to high heaven.

In short, before you even look at the evidence, his story just doesn't sound right and that's being nice,

d

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[Grinder]

If Rudy broke in it is a lie that he had a date, it is that simple.

You don't seem to fluent in Italian dating protocol. When one makes a date on Halloween for the next night it proper to break-in as the 'trick' and be waiting for your date sitting on the toilet.

Now thinking in your way, there are two obvious ways that the window could have been broken if Rudy had a date with Meredith.

One, someone else could have broken in while Rudy sat on the pot (I get to say he was incorrect about the doorbell because of the i-Pod) or two, he could have thrown the rock after killing her because he feared that she had shared their date arrangement and he felt he would be targeted.

I look at these ideas as low probabilities but possibles.

 

[AmyStrange]

You don't seem to fluent in Italian dating protocol. When one makes a date on Halloween for the next night it proper to break-in as the 'trick' and be waiting for your date sitting on the toilet.

Now thinking in your way, there are two obvious ways that the window could have been broken if Rudy had a date with Meredith.

One, someone else could have broken in while Rudy sat on the pot (I get to say he was incorrect about the doorbell because of the i-Pod) or two, he could have thrown the rock after killing her because he feared that she had shared their date arrangement and he felt he would be targeted.

I look at these ideas as low probabilities but possibles.

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That's what I was thinking also and with him being an experienced crook it makes sense that he would think that way. I just find the breaking in and surprising Meredith more believable overall.

Like I said earlier, he could have helped his case more if he had stayed and called 911 (or whatever it is in Italy) and stayed with Meredith, unless you believe that he had a date with her and killed her because he couldn't get sex. I find that scenario difficult to swallow, but what makes it probable is his actions while Meredith was dying, callous and selfish, but it just doesn't fit right with the rest of the overall scenario, at least in my mind anyway.

There's just something missing like Rudy's history of violent disregard for human life, I still believe Rudy killed her by accident, but that's just me,

d

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[michellesings]

I'm not saying it isn't John Kercher and if John Kercher is Harry Rag, I don't mind if Doug Bremner or anyone goes after him with both barrels (figuratively, not literally) I also don't care if Doug doesn't provide the proof michelle.

IMHO, I think it is a mistake to say to disclose that Harry Rag is one of the Kerchers without providing the proof along with the evidence. Yes, everyone and his brother unfairly accuses Amanda and Raffaele with anything and everything without proof and the world gives them a free pass. That is wrong. But just because it is wrong, I think we can expect it to continue.

And if there was ironclad proof that one of the Kerchers were Harry Rag, I think that should be sung to the rooftop, but it must include the proof and not just the accusation.

I can't speak for Doug, but for Steve, he was trying to say he knows (it's been talked about from people in the know) and also trying to explain why he is this way...mean and full of hate. If you read Steve's blog you can understand him more and try to be more compassionate.

However, he's thumbing in our noses know. We've been nice. But if he wants to go this route, we'll do what we have to (even if we didn't want to). He's being quite the jerk and he is on a mission...what they don't know if how foolish they're coming off by the amount of spam they are sending to any and every journalist. I kind of feel sorry for the amount of desperation in what he thinks is for his sister. If you think about it it's terribly sad. But there's no excuse good enough for him to be an ass to us...especially when we could have been...

 

[LondonJohn]

I can't speak for Doug, but for Steve, he was trying to say he knows (it's been talked about from people in the know) and also trying to explain why he is this way...mean and full of hate. If you read Steve's blog you can understand him more and try to be more compassionate.

However, he's thumbing in our noses know. We've been nice. But if he wants to go this route, we'll do what we have to (even if we didn't want to). He's being quite the jerk and he is on a mission...what they don't know if how foolish they're coming off by the amount of spam they are sending to any and every journalist. I kind of feel sorry for the amount of desperation in what he thinks is for his sister. If you think about it it's terribly sad. But there's no excuse good enough for him to be an ass to us...especially when we could have been...

Michelle: Just to be clear, are you saying that Steve has solid, reliable information to support the conclusion that HarryRag/Machine is John Kercher Jr?

If so, can I ask whether you also know what this supporting proof consists of (I am not asking that you share the information itself, though that would be the ideal scenario)?

Because if there indeed is proof (for want of a better word) of that link, it would be of immense interest regarding the "battle for hearts and minds" that has long surrounded this case.

 

[Grinder]

Michelle: Just to be clear, are you saying that Steve has solid, reliable information to support the conclusion that HarryRag/Machine is John Kercher Jr?

If so, can I ask whether you also know what this supporting proof consists of (I am not asking that you share the information itself, though that would be the ideal scenario)?

Because if there indeed is proof (for want of a better word) of that link, it would be of immense interest regarding the "battle for hearts and minds" that has long surrounded this case.

I second this request and add that if the FOA or other pro-Amanda people or groups have evidence of harassment in the form of emails, snail mail, phone messages etc. those too should be made public. This on-going bullying should be exposed and the behavior of these zealots made clear to all.

Making references to inside knowledge, secret sources etc. is bs.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

"As we remember Bongiorno closed the first trial with a question. "Are we sure the blood downstairs was from the cat?"

Now she developed that argument showing the pictures of the large stains of blood in the apartment downstairs, recalling that even Giobbi was surprised that a cat could have so much blood.

And she found one of the blood tests from downstairs that says "human blood".

So the others that say "cat blood" could be wrong, and the story of via della Pergola could be different, involving people other than "Sollecito" "


If not Guede's blood then whose?

Have you looked at the video shot in the downstairs apt.? The pattern of bloodstains fits an injured pet more than it does a person who was dripping with blood. I can't see a scenario where Guede (or anyone) would go down there and drip blood on a mattress, on the sofa, and on the bathroom floor, but not do anything else or leave any other sign of his presence. It may be an interesting theory, but there is no solid, reliable evidence that anything like that happened.

I have learned two important general truths in following crime stories:

1. A lot of what is reported in the media turns out to be distorted or outright false.

2. Police investigations routinely turn up unexplained details or coincidences that seem unusual, but turn out not to be connected to the crime.

The method of thinking that has served me well is to focus on the most relevant evidence and ask myself what really happened. I don't try to account for every detail or give equal weight to every possibility. In this case, certain points can only be related to the crime:

- the broken window
- Meredith's body and the disturbance in the room
- the bloody hand print
- the bloody shoe prints
- Meredith's blood in the small bathroom
- Guede's DNA in the dirty toilet and the murder room, identified before he became a suspect.

That's the evidence that shows what really happened, a simple, brutal, straightforward homicide. But the authorities pitched a fable before they had it figured out. Then they tried to prop up their fable with luminol, oddball results from the crime lab, witnesses with no credibility... crap that shows up in any major investigation and is normally filtered out.

That encourages the public to free their imaginations and look for a deeper plot, whether it involves Amanda and Raffaele or an Albanian drug cartel. But this crime only happened one way.

 

[Strozzi]

If Rudy broke in it is a lie that he had a date, it is that simple.[/QUOTE]

If Rudy was there, as he claimed, as a real guest of Meredith and had been in the toilet when she was attacked, and then tried to assist her his shoeprints in blood would have shown a different pattern of movement around the room than that of the assailant. There would have been two different sets of shoeprint tracks - the assailant's shoeprints and then Rudy's shoeprints. There was only one person's shoeprints.

Rudy's story is that he came rushing out of the toilet when he heard Meredith scream (9:20 pm) and struggled briefly with the assailant as the assailant passed him going for the door. If that were true, there would have been a clear and different trail of Rudy's shoeprints after rushing to Meredith's room to aid her and unavoidably having stepped in blood. An innocent Rudy would have left a bloody shoeprint trail from her side, to her bathroom where he claims to have fetched towels, and back to her side where he would have knelt down to aid her. Such a trail did not exist. (there is no evidence of a cleanup - no cleanup swirls - in spite of the prosecutor's bald and wishful allegation.)

The explanation why there were no shoeprints in blood from Meredith's room to the bathroom is that Rudy, with blood on one shoe, sat on Meredith's bed, removed that shoe (setting the knife down on the bedsheet), and then walked with one shoe on and one shoe off to the bathroom, where he rinsed his pant leg and shoe, and stepped on the bathmat with his wet foot. That is what the actual footprint evidence shows.

A true rescuer would have had both shoes on. He would have left sufficient prints in the hallway and bathroom to show the path of his innocent movement aiding Meredith.

Let me suggest the reader read the following article summarizing some of Ron Handry's comments: http://www.examiner.com/article/forensic-expert-says-a-single-attacker-killed-meredith-kercher-explains-why

 

[Kaosium]

It would absolutely astonish me to find out The Machine/Harry Rag was a member of the family. However it would not surprise me at all to find that The Machine/Harry Rag was in contact with and/or sometimes that name was used when someone from the family (or Maresca's office) spewed forth their bilge, as often that moniker has been used for 'compilation' posts and I know that others (Such As a bunny with lawyerly pretensions) have assisted The Machine in generating those lists that got spammed to the seven heavens the past six or so years.

 

[andreajo]

If Rudy broke in it is a lie that he had a date, it is that simple.

If Rudy was there, as he claimed, as a real guest of Meredith and had been in the toilet when she was attacked, and then tried to assist her his shoeprints in blood would have shown a different pattern of movement around the room than that of the assailant. There would have been two different sets of shoeprint tracks - the assailant's shoeprints and then Rudy's shoeprints. There was only one person's shoeprints.

Rudy's story is that he came rushing out of the toilet when he heard Meredith scream (9:20 pm) and struggled briefly with the assailant as the assailant passed him going for the door. If that were true, there would have been a clear and different trail of Rudy's shoeprints after rushing to Meredith's room to aid her and unavoidably having stepped in blood. An innocent Rudy would have left a bloody shoeprint trail from her side, to her bathroom where he claims to have fetched towels, and back to her side where he would have knelt down to aid her. Such a trail did not exist. (there is no evidence of a cleanup - no cleanup swirls - in spite of the prosecutor's bald and wishful allegation.)

The explanation why there were no shoeprints in blood from Meredith's room to the bathroom is that Rudy, with blood on one shoe, sat on Meredith's bed, removed that shoe (setting the knife down on the bedsheet), and then walked with one shoe on and one shoe off to the bathroom, where he rinsed his pant leg and shoe, and stepped on the bathmat with his wet foot. That is what the actual footprint evidence shows.

A true rescuer would have had both shoes on. He would have left sufficient prints in the hallway and bathroom to show the path of his innocent movement aiding Meredith.

Let me suggest the reader read the following article summarizing some of Ron Handry's comments: http://www.examiner.com/article/for...attacker-killed-meredith-kercher-explains-why

A true guest would have been directed to the correct bathroom.

 

[Samson]

You don't seem to fluent in Italian dating protocol. When one makes a date on Halloween for the next night it proper to break-in as the 'trick' and be waiting for your date sitting on the toilet.

Now thinking in your way, there are two obvious ways that the window could have been broken if Rudy had a date with Meredith.

One, someone else could have broken in while Rudy sat on the pot (I get to say he was incorrect about the doorbell because of the i-Pod) or two, he could have thrown the rock after killing her because he feared that she had shared their date arrangement and he felt he would be targeted.

I look at these ideas as low probabilities but possibles.

Nice work Grinder, I see Amanda is fortunately still missing from the script, but point well made about logical possibilities concerning Rudy and the window.
Of course they are nonsense, but unfortunately Bongiorno was atrocious, that lawyer visually makes the climb look impossible.

For those who haven't read Frank Sfarzo

"As for the “simulated break-in,” Bongiorno projected the picture of the lawyer, of whom she didn’t even remember the name, climbing it. Nencini: “I just see a guy hanging from a window, that doesn’t say anything to me. Don’t you have the video?” "

 

[js202]

It would absolutely astonish me to find out The Machine/Harry Rag was a member of the family. However it would not surprise me at all to find that The Machine/Harry Rag was in contact with and/or sometimes that name was used when someone from the family (or Maresca's office) spewed forth their bilge, as often that moniker has been used for 'compilation' posts and I know that others (Such As a bunny with lawyerly pretensions) have assisted The Machine in generating those lists that got spammed to the seven heavens the past six or so years.

And yet the guy is tweeting his bile, nonsense and lies at a fever pitch in these waning days. The individual behind the persona is without question mentally unbalanced and/or deeply personally invested in the outcome.

Someone posted that they presume Harry Rag to be an older person; lots of spare time, plus he makes a reference to the Kinks song that leads off their great record Something Else. What if he simply has an undemanding position like a career desk job at the BBC, and his *father* is of the generation to have been directly affected by UK bands like the Kinks?

Is it too much of a stretch to presume that Bremner reached out, say, to an ex-FBI man like Steve Moore, who contacted a connected IT guy who was in turn able to hack Rag's IP address? Bremner and Moore have both put themselves out there; to the guilters chagrin, these are two pretty credentialed and serious guys. I'm inclined to believe them.

 

[acbytesla]

Seriously can you read? Perhaps you can't peruse but only scan. There is his own Skype admission that he had a date and was there when she died. You choose to believe everything that fits your theory but not anything that doesn't. Sounds like a PGP approach.

Now try to understand that Meredith and her friends may well have been totally drunk that night and could easily have completely forgotten hours of activity. It is also possible that Rudy convinced himself that he had made an arrangement.

There is no confirmation for all kinds of things that you claim and then after some period of time reclaim but you never prove. Sorry but one true crime novelist doesn't count just like one newspaper story about a cocaine dealer on Amanda's phone doesn't count

Huh??? Not sure what that highlighted crap means so I'll ignore that.

Please excuse me Grinder, but I don't consider Rudy's statement as evidence. I think he pulled that story out of his backside while he was sitting on Filomena' toilet.

As for Meredith and her friends being so totally drunk that they totally forgot the previous night's activity, I don't buy that either. Not that they weren't totally drunk, but they forgot everything that happened that night.

 

[acbytesla]

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It seemed to me that you took umbrage with my finding it interesting. Besides, even with all the contortions you have to take to believe Rudy's story, I still think his original story may have been true, just not all that probable that it was.

Rudy would have helped his case more if he had at least tried to call 911 (or whatever it is in Italy) and then stayed until the cops or at least the ambulance came, but once he leaves that house and Meredith to die. that's when him and his story begins to really stink to high heaven.

In short, before you even look at the evidence, his story just doesn't sound right and that's being nice,

d

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I never take umbrage Amy. People can call me anything as long as it isn't late for dinner.

You right, Rudy probably would have helped his case if had called 911 for about 5 minutes. But with the Skype story, he still would have been arrested and convicted. One thing for sure, Amanda and Raffaele wouldn't have been in this mess if he did.

 

[acbytesla]

I second this request and add that if the FOA or other pro-Amanda people or groups have evidence of harassment in the form of emails, snail mail, phone messages etc. those too should be made public. This on-going bullying should be exposed and the behavior of these zealots made clear to all.

Making references to inside knowledge, secret sources etc. is bs.

Wow!!! We agree on something. Unsubstantiated rumors look exactly like that, unsubstantiated.

 

[Kaosium]

And yet the guy is tweeting his bile, nonsense and lies at a fever pitch in these waning days. The individual behind the persona is without question mentally unbalanced and/or deeply personally invested in the outcome.

Someone posted that they presume Harry Rag to be an older person; lots of spare time, plus he makes a reference to the Kinks song that leads off their great record Something Else. What if he simply has an undemanding position like a career desk job at the BBC, and his *father* is of the generation to have been directly affected by UK bands like the Kinks?

Is it too much of a stretch to presume that Bremner reached out, say, to an ex-FBI man like Steve Moore, who contacted a connected IT guy who was in turn able to hack Rag's IP address? Bremner and Moore have both put themselves out there; to the guilters chagrin, these are two pretty credentialed and serious guys. I'm inclined to believe them.

Let me clarify:

I believe that The Machine is Harry Rag because several years ago The Machine acknowledged that he created that name when he was barred from Candace Dempsey's site. I have good reason to believe The Machine made most of the posts done by Harry Rag up until about two years ago (I've paid little attention to their antics since) but that Harry Rag was also a name put onto the work of others, notably compilations with one or more additional contributors (those interminable lists) which has continued as I noticed in my last post (before today) about a month ago or so.

However it would not surprise me terribly to find out that a member of the Kercher family contributed to posts signed 'Harry Rag' or even posted under that name the last couple years. I just find it doubtful that was the case the entire six year period.

 

[Strozzi]

Rudy's Basketball Past - Any Videos?

Has anyone ever located videos of Rudy playing basketball? I'd like to see him in action jumping up and down, charging his opponent with his arms outstretched, leaping up and grabbing the rim and pulling himself up by his arms.

I found the following brief information about Rudy as a basketball player at a sports website at http://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/Italy/Liomatic_Perugia/2060?Page=4

• Rudy Hermann Guede,
• 180 cm, 5'11",
• born 1980,
• Guard.
• Nationality Ivorian-Italian.
• It says he was previously with Liomatic-Perugia, and more recently with Adriatica (Italy) in 2008-2009 which is wrong as he was in prison beginning Nov 2007.

A diffferent article (below) said Rudy played basketball for a Perugia team in 2004-2005. (Yet another reference said Rudy played The for the ‘UISP Pallacanestro Perugia’ basketball team in Italy’s C1 third division until the 2004-05 season.)

The Guardian had an article on Nov 19 2007 which says:

"Five years ago he was knifed during a fight over drugs, the newspaper wrote. It said Guede relocated to Milan, but had returned to Perugia a few days before Kercher's death.

A local barman confirmed seeing Guede walking in Perugia on October 31, the night before her death. Police have been showing a photograph of Guede around Perugia bars in recent days.

Pasquale Alessi, the co-owner of the city's Merlin pub, said Guede was a frequent visitor to the Domus nightclub in Perugia, where Kercher danced the night before she was killed.

Press reports described Guede as a keen basketball player. Perugia basketball team lists a Rudy Hermann Guede as having played guard for the team from 2004 to 2005.
A Rudy Hermann Guede is also listed on the social networking website Facebook with the same date of birth as that indicated on his photo identity card, which was published by Italian newspapers. On the website entry, Guede shows photographs of himself in bars in Perugia and lists his interests as "arts, computers, basketball and girls".

Corriere della Sera reported that Guede regularly played basketball at the open air court in Piazza Grimana, metres from the cottage that Kercher shared with Knox and two Italian women, and on the route that Kercher used to reach home the night of her death.

You may see the full Guardian article at http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/nov/19/italy.internationalcrime

 

[acbytesla]

Has anyone ever located videos of Rudy playing basketball? I'd like to see him in action jumping up and down, charging his opponent with his arms outstretched, leaping up and grabbing the rim and pulling himself up by his arms.

I found the following brief information about Rudy as a basketball player at a sports website at http://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/Italy/Liomatic_Perugia/2060?Page=4

• Rudy Hermann Guede,
• 180 cm, 5'11",
• born 1980,
• Guard.
• Nationality Ivorian-Italian.
• It says he was previously with Liomatic-Perugia, and more recently with Adriatica (Italy) in 2008-2009 which is wrong as he was in prison beginning Nov 2007.

A diffferent article (below) said Rudy played basketball for a Perugia team in 2004-2005. (Yet another reference said Rudy played The for the ‘UISP Pallacanestro Perugia’ basketball team in Italy’s C1 third division until the 2004-05 season.)

The Guardian had an article on Nov 19 2007 which says:

"Five years ago he was knifed during a fight over drugs, the newspaper wrote. It said Guede relocated to Milan, but had returned to Perugia a few days before Kercher's death.

A local barman confirmed seeing Guede walking in Perugia on October 31, the night before her death. Police have been showing a photograph of Guede around Perugia bars in recent days.

Pasquale Alessi, the co-owner of the city's Merlin pub, said Guede was a frequent visitor to the Domus nightclub in Perugia, where Kercher danced the night before she was killed.

Press reports described Guede as a keen basketball player. Perugia basketball team lists a Rudy Hermann Guede as having played guard for the team from 2004 to 2005.
A Rudy Hermann Guede is also listed on the social networking website Facebook with the same date of birth as that indicated on his photo identity card, which was published by Italian newspapers. On the website entry, Guede shows photographs of himself in bars in Perugia and lists his interests as "arts, computers, basketball and girls".

Corriere della Sera reported that Guede regularly played basketball at the open air court in Piazza Grimana, metres from the cottage that Kercher shared with Knox and two Italian women, and on the route that Kercher used to reach home the night of her death.

You may see the full Guardian article at http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/nov/19/italy.internationalcrime

I'm amazed too that we haven't seen any videos of Rudy playing basketball. After all there have been for a considerable amount of time of just about every high school basketball game played in the US. There must be video of one of the semi-professional games that Rudy played.

Surely there is footage of Rudy playing ball somewhere

 

[RandyN]

Have you looked at the video shot in the downstairs apt.? The pattern of bloodstains fits an injured pet more than it does a person who was dripping with blood. I can't see a scenario where Guede (or anyone) would go down there and drip blood on a mattress, on the sofa, and on the bathroom floor, but not do anything else or leave any other sign of his presence. It may be an interesting theory, but there is no solid, reliable evidence that anything like that happened.

I have learned two important general truths in following crime stories:

1. A lot of what is reported in the media turns out to be distorted or outright false.

2. Police investigations routinely turn up unexplained details or coincidences that seem unusual, but turn out not to be connected to the crime.

The method of thinking that has served me well is to focus on the most relevant evidence and ask myself what really happened. I don't try to account for every detail or give equal weight to every possibility. In this case, certain points can only be related to the crime:

- the broken window
- Meredith's body and the disturbance in the room
- the bloody hand print
- the bloody shoe prints
- Meredith's blood in the small bathroom
- Guede's DNA in the dirty toilet and the murder room, identified before he became a suspect.

That's the evidence that shows what really happened, a simple, brutal, straightforward homicide. But the authorities pitched a fable before they had it figured out. Then they tried to prop up their fable with luminol, oddball results from the crime lab, witnesses with no credibility... crap that shows up in any major investigation and is normally filtered out.

That encourages the public to free their imaginations and look for a deeper plot, whether it involves Amanda and Raffaele or an Albanian drug cartel. But this crime only happened one way.

While I agree in general with your take on the points of the case and that other points may or may not be related and thus are not important.... This case is rather foolishly being misrepresented by fact-less supposition that there are multiple assailants when there appears to be zero facts to back that claim up. None the less we have judicial morons... way up the power ladder certifying that multiple attackers are responsible...and I am still waiting for one shred of proof.

So, if there are wet flip flops, blood, plus missing egrams and or tests from downstairs plus I don't have the whole factual case about this injured cat...Was the cat bleeding? Was that documented? Seems quite important but also easy to do relatively speaking. Did the cat tear up the bed too? Make the light switch bloody with his little paw when he turned off the light at night? I have unanswered questions about what could be highly related evidence that appears UN-investigated and unexplained at least realistically. If there are missing data and DNA tests then I have enough circumstantial evidence to indicate possible other assailants or corruption. Is there human blood? Who is this blood from? Unknown? Where are the missing tests? Lost in that same garage with the control data sheets?

Sure we all know that the logical and factual case points to Guede alone robbing, raping, and murdering Miss Kercher. We can easily craft a time line that fits facts perfectly and matches every point of physical evidence and yet...6 years later this sham of a case still has life in it.

Meanwhile the prosecution and even the PGP will not because they can not present a time line showing guilt of RS and AK that fits facts and proves guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. And yet the case is being debated in a supposed legitimate judicial system. WTF am I missing here? I feel that it is necessary for the prosecutor to show exactly how the crime proceeded and how he proves that with the facts he presents...so far there seems to be a real disconnect in this prosecutors burden. Huge gaping holes made even deeper with suspicious DNA data, burned computers, missing interrogation tapes, denial of legally guaranteed rights, corrupt attempts with sub-related cases to silence protesters or even jail defenders. This is not a confusing case...rather it is quite clear what has to be going on here.

A few years ago we did a test in this thread IIRC and the task took the PG side and attempted to create a time line for the prosecution and the PGP. I seem to recall that Kaosium did the best job but even that attempt was more baffle than brilliance.

The lawyers are failing miserably. The staged break-in was not disproved with a simple video taped climb and entry. The multiple attacker evidence was not picked apart when that was such a simple task...thousands of murders have tons more wounds or lack of wounds if that is the point they try to infer...yet the court hears nothing...including the SC.

A miserable 6 year long failure to attack the most ridiculous case on earth. Maybe you cant fix stupid...I see no reason to pander to it though.

 

[Mary_H]

A true guest would have been directed to the correct bathroom.

If I allowed an acquaintance to use the bathroom, and I were going to my bedroom, I would direct the acquaintance to the bathroom furthest from my bedroom.