Time for some TRAFFIC!

stanfr said:
I predict this scandal will snowball immensely. Because now that the cat is out of the bag, everyone who was affected is either currently or about to confer with the gathering hordes of attorneys to see how much money can be squeezed out of those who were involved. So it will be self-perpetuating, because the more media attention the lawyers generate, the higher the potential payoff. And to top it off, it seems highly unlikely Christie wasn't aware since his top aides certainly were.
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If it turns out real damaged occurred, they have a reason to sue. Let's wait and see what real damaged occurred before dismissing claims as money chasers.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
If it turns out real damaged occurred, they have a reason to sue. Let's wait and see what real damaged occurred before dismissing claims as money chasers.
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What's your idea of real damage? Tens of thousands of people couldn't get to work on time, and buses full of children couldn't get to school. And reports are already coming out about police and ambulances who couldn't get to emergencies promptly. It might be hard to identify a specific party to sue, but this is really serious business. And if it wasn't Christie's idea to start with, he's sure as hell responsible for allowing it to go on for four days.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-new-jersey-bridge-death-20140108,0,2864014.story
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/08/politics/christie-bridge/
 
Puppycow said:
A low-level flunky could order several lanes of the George Washington Bridge closed for days?
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You'd be surprised at the administrative behavior of NJ. I was. Such things wouldn't stick, but the pain would have to percolate up a few days before something happened.

Having said that, I still, from the various emails and such, get the impression that Christie isn't clean on this. That wouldn't surprise me, either.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's hard to believe you would have that kind of crap in a political office if the atmosphere wasn't conducive.
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Atmosphere? The atmosphere is that which pervades New Jersey. Nothing surprising there.

Don't much like Christie, but this is much more of the same-o-same-o for New Jersey.
 
Some day, we should talk about the NJ DMV and their new computer systems, or anything to do with Newark or Jersey City, OR Woodbridge. Note: While I say the right low-level flunky could have gotten away with this, that does not appear to be the case here.
 
Bob001 said:
What's your idea of real damage? Tens of thousands of people couldn't get to work on time, and buses full of children couldn't get to school. And reports are already coming out about police and ambulances who couldn't get to emergencies promptly.
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Yeah. I can think off the top of my head of several ways this could have really screwed things up for businesses those days. Once people start adding up what this cost them in dollars, Christie's lame "I am outraged" defense isn't going to hold up.

Bob001 said:
And if it wasn't Christie's idea to start with, he's sure as hell responsible for allowing it to go on for four days.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-new-jersey-bridge-death-20140108,0,2864014.story
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/08/politics/christie-bridge/
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Exactly. If he truly had no idea, that paints him in a bad light too. He had this weird thing going on, thousands of unhappy people in his state, the Port Authority providing no answers, and he just did nothing. Then when the guys at the PA who were involved resign, he doesn't clue in to it. With reporters asking questions, people close to him (campaign manager, deputy chief of staff) continue to keep him in the dark. His defense is that he's a bumbling, clueless figurehead who can't get answers out of anyone.
 
hgc said:
There is so much here that Christie has to answer for, it's dizzying.

- He mocked reporters for asking him about it, saying sarcastically that he himself was out there with the traffic cones.
- He claimed (along with the perpetrators) that this was a traffic study. This is after it was already in the public record that the most direct perpetrator (Wildstein) has explicitly instructed Port Authority underlings to NOT inform Fort Lee officials that lanes would be closed (contrary to usual procedure) and that department of the PA that does traffic studies knew nothing about the lane closures.
- When his other political appointee to the PA, Wildstein's direct superior, abruptly resigned, Christie said he had long planned that official's departure.

At best, he's been lying and spinning like crazy.
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No at best his so called inner circle lied to him and he did not know.
At worst he knew from the beginning.
Almost as bad he knew after it happened but lied about it.
 
MattusMaximus said:
I agree. His political career won't necessarily be over, but it could hurt his chances for higher office. Already with the Newsmax article above, we can see that his opponents on the right are starting to pile on.
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If he knew I believe his career is over and rightfully so. If he knew before it happened or ordered it I think there should be some sort of criminal charges.
 
eeyore1954 said:
If he knew I believe his career is over and rightfully so. If he knew before it happened or ordered it I think there should be some sort of criminal charges.
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Scenarios from best case to worst case:

- He had absolutely no idea it happened and his staff lied to him.
- He knew about it after the fact and handled it privately, denying it publicly.
- He knew about it after the fact and didn't do anything.
- He knew about it during the fact, and put a stop to it.
- He knew about it during the fact and did nothing.
- He knew about it beforehand.
- He told his staffers to do it.

Even the best case scenario doesn't put him in a particularly good light. IMO, the last three would be something worthy of resignation or impeachment. The last one is flat out criminal.
 
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If he knew and he is actually held responsible for it, it would be a breath of fresh air. The wealthy and powerful just aren't held to account for their actions these days.
 
bonzombiekitty said:
Scenarios from best case to worst case:

- He had absolutely no idea it happened and his staff lied to him.
- He knew about it after the fact and handled it privately, denying it publicly.
- He knew about it after the fact and didn't do anything.
- He knew about it during the fact, and put a stop to it.
- He knew about it during the fact and did nothing.
- He knew about it beforehand.
- He told his staffers to do it.

Even the best case scenario doesn't put him in a particularly good light. IMO, the last three would be something worthy of resignation or impeachment. The last one is flat out criminal.
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Minor quibble: The last two are almost identical and both criminal.
 
Watching Christie's presser right now and his excuse boils down to "Mistakes were made, and I will doggedly investigate myself until I get to the bottom of how I was wronged by myself".
 
I keep waiting for him to say "And we're going to keep that puppy...".:)

Ok, so Christie hires stupid people and wants to be president. Now what?
 
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