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Time for some TRAFFIC!

hgc said:
I'll briefly answer here what I said to your post in the other thread: If Christie had anything to do with this, he will be out of office and his political career over. Even if he didn't, I can't imagine him making it past New Hampshire in 2016.
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I am tempted to take the bet, but there are too many other variables that could prevent him from getting past New Hampshire. Some have speculated that his working with Obama is enough to prevent him from getting past N.H.

With the never-compromise-with-the-enemy electorate, this thing is nothing. The only question is then how many people fall into that category.
 
Ladewig said:
I am tempted to take the bet, but there are too many other variables that could prevent him from getting past New Hampshire. Some have speculated that his working with Obama is enough to prevent him from getting past N.H.



With the never-compromise-with-the-enemy electorate, this thing is nothing. The only question is then how many people fall into that category.
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Agreed.

Where this could REALLY hurt him is with swing voters and independents. Assuming, of course, that he survives the GOP primaries.
 
hgc said:
I'll briefly answer here what I said to your post in the other thread: If Christie had anything to do with this, he will be out of office and his political career over. Even if he didn't, I can't imagine him making it past New Hampshire in 2016.
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I guess that is a possible outcome, but I would recommend waiting 48 hours before making dire pronouncements about careers ending.
 
Conservatives fell in love with him when he pulled that alpha-male horse-**** at townhall meetings, but in fairness to the crazies, they did display real hatred and loathing during in the wake of Christie's whirlwind love-affair with the President. They've been down on him for at least a year.
 
Cain said:
Conservatives fell in love with him when he pulled that alpha-male horse-**** at townhall meetings, but in fairness to the crazies, they did display real hatred and loathing during in the wake of Christie's whirlwind love-affair with the President. They've been down on him for at least a year.
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They are rather quick to eat their own, aren't they? It's almost as if the GOP is having an internal political crisis or something...
 
I remain dumbfounded at the amateur way he/his staff handled this mess. Regardless of if he gave the order himself or if he had no idea about it at all, the only proper response to media scrutiny would have been to blame it on the unauthorized actions of a low level political appointee who "on his own initiative, took revenge for a perceived slight."

Firing that (sacrificial) person and distancing himself from the situation was the only safe bet. Instead, Christie doubled down on stupid and publicly denied involvement.
 
Ladewig said:
I guess that is a possible outcome, but I would recommend waiting 48 hours before making dire pronouncements about careers ending.
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Wait before making predictions? Are you new here? :D
 
Unabogie said:
And here's what's coming next. Allegedly, he's got a long history of retaliating against people who don't carry his water politically. Up until now, he could just wave that off as people being his political enemies. Even NewsMax is piling on.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Christie-Bridgegate-foes-New-Jersey/2013/12/24/id/543733

But now, every allegation will fit the narrative: "Chris Christie uses his power to get back at people who don't please him". Every new accusation has the air of plausibility, even if its total ********. This scandal has tainted him as a bully. And a bully who ********** with people trying to do their work as first responders and ordinary folk trying to get to work. And once you're tainted, you have to do a lot of work to get clean. What does a person do in this instance to clear his name, if people are going to come out of the woodwork to claim that he did the same thing to them?
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I posted this in the presidential primaries thread, but since discussion has moved here, here's two articles on that worth reading:

Ezra Klein has some interesting observations:
Chris Christie’s problem is that he’s really, truly a bully


He also links to this NY Times article from December:

Stories Add Up as Bully Image Trails Christie

Several stories here. Seems to add up to a pattern
 
Robrob said:
I remain dumbfounded at the amateur way he/his staff handled this mess. Regardless of if he gave the order himself or if he had no idea about it at all, the only proper response to media scrutiny would have been to blame it on the unauthorized actions of a low level political appointee who "on his own initiative, took revenge for a perceived slight."

Firing that (sacrificial) person and distancing himself from the situation was the only safe bet. Instead, Christie doubled down on stupid and publicly denied involvement.
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This sort of thing can't be done by a single low-level flunky. It requires planning and coordination and the involvement of multiple people with actual power.
 
I predict this scandal will snowball immensely. Because now that the cat is out of the bag, everyone who was affected is either currently or about to confer with the gathering hordes of attorneys to see how much money can be squeezed out of those who were involved. So it will be self-perpetuating, because the more media attention the lawyers generate, the higher the potential payoff. And to top it off, it seems highly unlikely Christie wasn't aware since his top aides certainly were.
 
Puppycow said:
This sort of thing can't be done by a single low-level flunky. It requires planning and coordination and the involvement of multiple people with actual power.
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Actually, having lived in NJ for quite a while, I suspect some low-level flunkies could do it. That, of course, does not excuse the information that has come out.

Anyhow, traffic, you said?
 
jj said:
Actually, having lived in NJ for quite a while, I suspect some low-level flunkies could do it. That, of course, does not excuse the information that has come out.
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A low-level flunky could order several lanes of the George Washington Bridge closed for days?
 
I don't think this will hurt Christie's chances in 2016, because he never had any.
 
Dera Roseanne Rosannadanna,
Last September I tried to get to work and the traffic was terrible. I was late four days in a row and my boss was really angry. Now I hear that the governor closed the George Washington bridge for no reason.
Will he write a note so my boss won't fire me? Why is that guy so fat anyway? Is Chris short for Christopher? Did George Washington build that bridge? Did he really have wooden teeth? How could you chew meat with wooden teeth?

Signed,
Mr. Richard Feder
Fort Lee, New Jersey
 
jj said:
Actually, having lived in NJ for quite a while, I suspect some low-level flunkies could do it. That, of course, does not excuse the information that has come out....
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Nope, not a low level flunky.
Emails and texts revealed that a top aide had ordered the closings to punish the town’s mayor after he did not endorse the governor for re-election.

“Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee,” Bridget Anne Kelly, a deputy chief of staff to Mr. Christie, emailed David Wildstein, a high school friend of the governor who worked at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs the bridge.
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