Retired NASA "expert" Inspires Balsamo Fraud?

[Boone 870]

Why does Balsamo make up fake Vg diagrams? What is a Vg diagram and how does it relate to Deets? Who cares ...

Balsamo, the leader of p4t delusions, uses "experts" to increase DVD sales, spread the same old moronic delusions and mislead people with his paranoid anti-intellectual, anti-American illogical conspiracy theories. Balsamo continues with the do nothing no evidence stand with his lie, "we do not offer theory". By using an "expert's" opinion, Balsamo deceives the gullible followers with secondhand failed opinions as evidence. Balsamo insulates himself from being the one who by using hearsay and opinions from Deets, for instance. Balsamo does not make the moronic claims, he makes them dumber. Balsamo uses what Deets says to support his theories, theories which he claims he does not offer.

Captain Bob and Dwain Deets had a falling out a couple of months ago because Deets was lecturing about CD at the twin towers during some 9/11 truth conference instead of speaking about aviation.

It's fun to watch Bobby rip into his own "experts" when they wander off the reservation and prove they're not really experts, but they're just conspiracy theorist who are full of ****.

Same thing happened with the so-called "FDR expert" Dennis Cimino a few years ago after he went full on no-planer.

 

[Pinch]

Where is Cap't Bob hanging out these days? He seems to have abandoned his PfT with the exception of a few drive-by postings now and then. The place has turned into pretty much a place for any wild conspiracy theory to be touted. Recently there was a claim that Chic Burlingame's daughter was killed (assassinated?) because Chic actually "contacted" her.

Just today there is a claim that the Sandy Hook Elementary School where the shootings and killings occurred a while back because the shootings never happened...nobody was ever killed....there were no bullet holes or damage to the school...the demolition teams had to be sworn to secrecy because they would know these "facts".

That's the only reason I go back to read that page...just to see what crazy moronic thing they come up with next.

 

[cjnewson88]

I think cap't bob just hides most of these days.

More relative to the thread, while explaining pft's failed understanding of Vmo to somebody today, I came across this thread over at pprune;

http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/282962-vmo-absolute-aerodynamic-limit.html

Seems Mr Lear's reputation is indeed far and wide

 

[George 152]

I think cap't bob just hides most of these days.

More relative to the thread, while explaining pft's failed understanding of Vmo to somebody today, I came across this thread over at pprune;

http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/282962-vmo-absolute-aerodynamic-limit.html

Seems Mr Lear's reputation is indeed far and wide

Interesting site

 

[Pinch]

Interesting site

That PPRuNe site handed Balsamo his rear end in a bag when he tried to take his moronic idiocy there...in his various socks and aliases. They would have nothing of his sort of crap. Home-made Vg diagrams, claims of excessive speed, airplanes breaking apart at one knot over their "design speed"...matters none what BS he brought, it was slapped down in no uncertain terms by real professional pilots.

 

[weedwhacker]

Long time, no see.

Just peeked into this thread to reminisce a bit. Have oft wondered if it was a waste of my time at ATS, posting against the woo-woo. All-in-all, I think it was worth it. What else for a retired airline pilot to do? (rhetorical)...

TJ

 

[cjnewson88]

Funny to see you around weedwhacker, I was reading through an old ATS thread just the other day enjoying some of your posts.

Nice to meet you

 

[fitzgibbon]

Long time, no see.

Just peeked into this thread to reminisce a bit. Have oft wondered if it was a waste of my time at ATS, posting against the woo-woo. All-in-all, I think it was worth it. What else for a retired airline pilot to do? (rhetorical)...

TJ

Hey WW! I admire your forbearance there. God knows, I wouldn't have stuck it out as long as you have; come to think of it, I didn't

Fitz

 

[beachnut]

11.2g math expert, is in reruns

Not sure when Balsamo decided to become a fake "engineer" and publish his own fake Vg diagrams.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3611382/2/

Then he tried to get real pilots to support his woo.
http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/425355-757-767-v-g-diagram.html

He is pushing his fake Vg diagram again to advertise his delusions on 911.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/180784-skygate-911-w-39-a.html
and
http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/125737-pentagon-national-security-alert-34.html

A repeat of the fake Vg diagram, three years, and Balsamo is recycling his delusions.


A Balsamo disciple of woo, who can't figure out 911 after 12 years wallowing in woo, posts some idiotic video that claims Structural Failure is at 425 KEAS.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/180784-skygate-911-w-39-a.html
Onesliceshort, a great name for a pusher of woo (a whole loaf short is more likely), says aircraft fall apart at 425. Proved wrong on 911 by video, RADAR, FDR, etc, he is not the sharpest tool in the Balsamo box of dumb rocks. He is a true believer in woo - a Balsamo follower.


This is the future of 911 truth, recycle woo, sell DVD packs of 5 for 50 bucks. Lies on DVD, for the gullible.

The best Balsamo has was the 11.2g stuff.
http://www.cesura17.net/~will/Ephemera/Sept11/Balsamo/balsamo2.html
Why can't 911 truth do math? Poor Balsamo, thinks his Vg diagram is real. A delusional fantasy, or a snake-oil sales fraud. The fake Vg diagram is the work of kindergarten student, Balsamo can't get up to this level. Which kid did this for him? Fess up Balsamo, who did your work for you? Graphs are way past your skill set.

 

[ozeco41]

I've been posting a bit on DebatePolitics - a couple of old colleagues there occasionally.

Generally not high intellect stuff - dominated by 3trolls and 1 poe plus a few "helper trolls".

The "debunker" side content to play "whack-a-mole" against repetitive trolling.

BUT two "Pilots" characters came there recently. Looks like they wanted an easy playing field. Same game as T Sz has been doing - staying away from anyone capable of demolishing their idiocies. Both of them limited intelligence and very quick on the personal insults if questioned.

I've called them a couple of times on logic but generally I ignore them. Low level bottom feeding scum.

You don't even need to be an aviation person to know that their "over Vmo == break up" crap is.....crap. It is only an example of overload probability v risk managed safety levels v "one exceedance wont kill it" stuff. Standard across many fields of engineering.

 

[jaydeehess]

So Vg diagrams all look similar but each diagram is specific for aircraft type and for weight and altitude.
I note that cruising speed for a 767 is listed as 470 knots at 35,000 feet. That alone is well over the never exceed limit Balsamo states is 420 knots which indicates that something in this diagram is missing.
So he plots Va on this graph, but is that Va for sea level(it could go w/o saying but sea level to 5K feet would not change matters much, let alone at 1K feet, the approx level of impact).
But Vne would also change with altitude and weight would it not?

Then again this is all air speeds and iirc flight 175 was coming at the towers downwind to avoid the smoke from tower 1. Wind speed would have to be subtracted from radar indicated ground speed to get air speed. Now winds were light , about 10 knots but that should be taken into consideration as well as what the winds were at any level at which the plane's velocity is an issue.
So question is out there, where can we find a Vg diagram for a Boeing 767 at sea level and with weight approx that of a half full aircraft?

Flight 175 did not do much manouvering until near the tower. Its quite possible that the plane was suffering permanent structural bending in the final manouvering. Of course "permanent" in an aircraft being deliberately flown into a steel building is not that long a time frame. Its also possible that in the last second this aircraft was about to come apart. Moot point as it was about to very definately come apart.

One opinion expressed is that the pilots would never have stressed this aircraft so much because it would threaten the successful completion of their mission. However success is measured in stages. Just getting control of the aircraft ensured minimum success. Even if the plane ahd been prevented from taking off after the hijackers were on board that would also be success. just kill as many passengers as you can before the plane gets stormed by police.
Certainly managing to crash ANYWHERE in NYC would count as success. manging to crash into primary target, full success.
Hell, getting your hijacked plane shot down would have been even better in as far as the hijackers would be concerned. Bonus points for requiring your enemy to kill his own people.

another opinion expressed online is that aerodynamic pressure would preclude the aircraft even getting to 500 knots. I call b.s. on that since apparently flight crews have to specifically manage air speed to avoid overspeed during descent with a 767. It is quite a 'slick' machine.

One PFT video makes quite a bit about the supposed perpetrators modifying this 767 to allow it to go faster so that it will arrive on target before fighters show up. Again b.s., even in its own video it is mentioned that flight 175 slowed down as it approached NYC. In order to get there quickly all they needed to do was stay fast while on approach to the city rather than require the plane to be modified so go even faster in the last minute.

 

[ozeco41]

I haven't studied the Pentagon event in much detail. I am aware of the P4T organisation and that it is more overtly dishonest than AE911.

But from what I see of its advocates none of them prepared to enter real discussion, to be clear as to their claims or to support claims with reasoned logic.

Their primary attack mode is denigration of opponents and misrepresentation of discussion. So at least two grades "dirtier" than Gage et al. Gage limit his dishonesty to the technical factors.

I don't engage with trolls and rarely if ever give attention to personal attacks...

Since all the technical stuff that P4T like to argue is irrelevant in the absence of a claim and a context...no point going there.

If the planes ended up where the evidence shows that they ended up AND P4T finds one or more bits of technology based data that says otherwise - THEN that technology based data is wrong.

So they could legitimately discuss why the technology was wrong.

But they cannot legitimately take it as correct UNTIL they disprove where the relevant plane ended up.

Same arse about logic problem we see with WTC collapses. ThermXte is irrelevant until someone proves CD.

NOT the other way round - thermXte proves CD therefore all the other evidence is wrong.

I know I'm nearly alone in that stand - most debunkers enjoy proving "no thermXte". So be it - their enjoyment but not mine most of the time.

 

[catsmate]

Didn't at least one of the 747s that went supersonic re-enter service?

 

[weedwhacker]

Howdy beachnut!

Speaking of "Cap'n" Rob (Balsamo)...looks like he's back at it with a vengeance, again. Must be needing to sell more DVDs.

I stumbled on a newish (29 December, 2013) thread at the ole' ATS (I don't bother with them anymore, so finding this was serendipity) started by a user named
'NewAgeMan'. The style is vintage Bob, the "Swoop In And Drop A Load Of Garbage" tactic, then repeat, rinse, repeat ad nauseum.

Guessing based on previous observations, especially when talking ATS, since he's been banned there at least 20 times (yeah, one day I was bored, and counted them, gave up at 20...). He uses the "carpet bombing" tactic because he knows he will be found out by the 'Overlord'. BTW, Bill made his appearance in the thread on page 20, sometime yesterday (6 January 2014).

So 'NewAgeMan' is likely "Gone Man" by mañana

 

[JSanderO]

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Then again this is all air speeds and iirc flight 175 was coming at the towers downwind to avoid the smoke from tower 1. Wind speed would have to be subtracted from radar indicated ground speed to get air speed. Now winds were light , about 10 knots but that should be taken into consideration as well as what the winds were at any level at which the plane's velocity is an issue...

You have no idea why 175 chose the flight path it did. You're just guessing. One could easily argue (speculate) that the south (east) approach put 2wtc in a clear position to be struck as it was just 120 or so feet SE of 1wtc.

Perhaps a path further to the east would find JFK flights as something to avoid (distraction making for more difficult high speed maneuvering??) We don't even know if the plane was manually piloted or driven by an autopilot following GPS coordinates. If so changes in velocity by the pilot in the course of a turn would cause the plane's control surface to adjust to maintain course to destination. Didn't the plane bank at the last moment? Was that a due to a correction because the pilot had gunned the throttle... as had it not the plane would have flown past the tower to the east.

Also I think you are wrong about the wind speeds. I believe they were about 20 knots from the NW and maybe higher aloft. The trail of smoke coming from the towers indicates a wind of more than 10 knots.

 

[beachnut]

Howdy beachnut!

Speaking of "Cap'n" Rob (Balsamo)...looks like he's back at it with a vengeance, again. Must be needing to sell more DVDs.

I stumbled on a newish (29 December, 2013) thread at the ole' ATS (I don't bother with them anymore, so finding this was serendipity) started by a user named
'NewAgeMan'. The style is vintage Bob, the "Swoop In And Drop A Load Of Garbage" tactic, then repeat, rinse, repeat ad nauseum.

Guessing based on previous observations, especially when talking ATS, since he's been banned there at least 20 times (yeah, one day I was bored, and counted them, gave up at 20...). He uses the "carpet bombing" tactic because he knows he will be found out by the 'Overlord'. BTW, Bill made his appearance in the thread on page 20, sometime yesterday (6 January 2014).

So 'NewAgeMan' is likely "Gone Man" by mañana

He showed up at DebatePolitics, as talked above. He was suspended there tonight/this morning for calling a mod a name, when the mod said, moved the stupid CTs to the CT area... and the CT moved was not a 911 issue.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...onist-agents-us-go-public.html#post1062762894


DVDs sales down, Balsamo and his 11.2 g pops up.

 

[ozeco41]

He showed up at DebatePolitics, as talked above. He was suspended there tonight/this morning for calling a mod a name, when the mod said, moved the stupid CTs to the CT area... and the CT moved was not a 911 issue....

He brought a new low to the practice of obnoxious trolling by personal denigration and near zero "address the relevant topic" discussion.

Got his arse handed to him by a relatively new member "Sunzi" who clearly knows his stuff and presents it clearly with a distinctive writing style.

 

[jaydeehess]

You have no idea why 175 chose the flight path it did. You're just guessing. One could easily argue (speculate) that the south (east) approach put 2wtc in a clear position to be struck as it was just 120 or so feet SE of 1wtc.

Perhaps a path further to the east would find JFK flights as something to avoid (distraction making for more difficult high speed maneuvering??) We don't even know if the plane was manually piloted or driven by an autopilot following GPS coordinates. If so changes in velocity by the pilot in the course of a turn would cause the plane's control surface to adjust to maintain course to destination. Didn't the plane bank at the last moment? Was that a due to a correction because the pilot had gunned the throttle... as had it not the plane would have flown past the tower to the east.

Also I think you are wrong about the wind speeds. I believe they were about 20 knots from the NW and maybe higher aloft. The trail of smoke coming from the towers indicates a wind of more than 10 knots.

Flight 175 was, iirc, not equiped with GPS

 

[beachnut]

He brought a new low to the practice of obnoxious trolling by personal denigration and near zero "address the relevant topic" discussion.

Got his arse handed to him by a relatively new member "Sunzi" who clearly knows his stuff and presents it clearly with a distinctive writing style.

how many beers is that going to cost

 

[ozeco41]

how many beers is that going to cost

My shout next time you are in Sydney.