Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[acbytesla]

Does anyone know what John Kercher Jr job actually is within the BBC?

I thought I saw Raffaele on a BBC News programme (hard talk) last summer.

How do I know for example that Piers Morgan isn’t Harry Rag, he was the editor of the Daily Mirror, one of the newspaper John Kercher Sr worked for.

I sincerely doubt that HarryRag is Piers Morgan. He would have to be much more media savvy and undoubtedly write better than Harry. As for John Kercher Jr, I think that is much more possible, although I don't know.

And while I think it is possible and not necessarily surprising, I can't see how Doug Bremner could actually know. He doesn't explain how he has come to this conclusion, he just makes it.

I also agree with the other posters about the horrible formatting on Bremner's blog. But I do understand how it ends up looking that way. I have to fight with my blog to keep it readable. The blog programs often do weird things, which is unfortunate. Never the less, you would think he would choose a better base format being a photographer. White and red text on a black background and tiny little fonts..... Horrible.

 

[Kevin_Lowe]

Thank you.

Not as such, no. I don't see any reasonable doubt that Knox and Sollecito had nothing at all to do with it. Meredith was killed around 9.20 pm, and they have an alibi for that time. There is no reason at all to drag them into it in the first place. None of the talking points of the "guilters" stands up to any serious scrutiny.

Rolfe.

Just to support what Rolfe is saying, I think this case is one of the unusual ones that does yield a definitive answer. In this particular case I believe we can say with a very high degree of confidence that there is proof that Knox and Sollecito are completely innocent.

I wouldn't say that there is proof that the Chamberlains are innocent of the murder of Azaria Chamberlain, for example. There's just proof that a dingo attack explains all the forensic evidence perfectly well, some evidence that Azaria was in fact carried off by a dingo, and the fact that the prosecution theory is batty. There's no case to answer in court, but I can't prove they didn't murder the baby and somehow dump her jacket near a dingo den long after the event.

Whereas in this case we can prove that Meredith Kercher died at a time when Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were definitely at home. At that point their involvement becomes an impossibility and while it's fun to pick at the rest of the prosecution case to see how it unravels it isn't strictly necessary.

 

[Samson]

I don't know Doug Bremner at all, but his sister, Anne, has been shamelessly vilified for her role in FOA. My assumption is that none of the Bremner's would say such things without being sure - but then that is rank speculation, and perhaps even bias, on my part.

I hope Bruce Fischer doesn't mind me porting over to here what he said on this at IIP:



If Harry Rag were a member of the family, that would simply put this at a whole new level of sadness. If HR is not, then an apology all around needs to be forthcoming.

I do know the following, as The Machine he specifically denied this rumour on PMF in the last day or two.
Secondly, a few months ago he posted on a general comment thread somewhere as HarryRag that he planned to be sipping champagne with friends as the guilty verdict for this trial is announced, and they are sentenced to life imprisonment.
This sounds inconsistent with being a member of the victim's family, but consistent with being deranged.

Conversely I would be unsurprised for people here to be sipping champagne if they are declared innocent, and not regard them as being deranged, a bit of asymmetry perhaps.

 

[Kevin_Lowe]

I sincerely doubt that HarryRag is Piers Morgan. He would have to be much more media savvy and undoubtedly write better than Harry. As for John Kercher Jr, I think that is much more possible, although I don't know.

And while I think it is possible and not necessarily surprising, I can't see how Doug Bremner could actually know. He doesn't explain how he has come to this conclusion, he just makes it.

It's a very plausible claim that HarryRag is John Kercher Jr., or possibly a combination of JK Jr and JK Sr.

However just because it's very plausible doesn't mean it's true. I too hope Bremner has ironclad evidence and publishes it, of if not that he retracts the accusation.

Whoever he is, HarryRag is to my mind by far the most morally loathsome of the pro-guilt posters. An utterly unashamed liar and a deeply horrible human being.

 

[Grinder]

Doug says many things in that piece that are not verified as far as I know. If he has been harassed at work by these people, I wished he would post their names and emails. Too bad Emory isn't a public institution or a public records request could be made.

I thought he was channeling BW and Tesla

 

[acbytesla]

Doug says many things in that piece that are not verified as far as I know. If he has been harassed at work by these people, I wished he would post their names and emails. Too bad Emory isn't a public institution or a public records request could be made.

I thought he was channeling BW and Tesla

Is that a shot??? Do I need to get out my gun too???

 

[Bill Williams]

He has been the most tenacious of guilters, posting his cut-and-paste screeds on every news comment board on the Internet for lo these many years.

He is not central to the guilter phenomenon. Similar groups have formed to vilify suspects in other controversial cases.

He has had some impact, in that his intransigence and hostility helped to galvanize support for Amanda and Raffaele, especially among reporters. From a media relations POV, he was almost too good to be true, to the point where a couple of reporters wondered if I might be Harry Rag. But I'm not. I don't know who he is, and I question whether Doug Bremner does either.

This is a good point. Whereas Harry Rag/The Machine can only been seen as having minimal to no impact on the trial(s), probably in the main he has driven more people into the innocence camp than convinced folk of guilt.

The way to "convert" people in these sorts of things is to offer a consistent message without seeming to be strange or eccentric....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_influence

Once undecided people catch on that Rag is simply cutting and pasting from old theories, and simply does not address much past the prosecution's case at the Massei trial, he just seems stranger and more eccentric. His overuse of such claims as, "the abundant DNA found on the clasp and on the knife," simply does not hold scrutiny.

I wonder if Doug Bremner is Harry Rag, doing a false flag operation! Still, TM/HR could most certainly use some PR advice from Gogerty-Marriott.... just saying.

 

[Bill Williams]

Is that a shot??? Do I need to get out my gun too???

Grinder is shooting blanks.

 

[acbytesla]

It's a very plausible claim that HarryRag is John Kercher Jr., or possibly a combination of JK Jr and JK Sr.

However just because it's very plausible doesn't mean it's true. I too hope Bremner has ironclad evidence and publishes it, of if not that he retracts the accusation.

Whoever he is, HarryRag is to my mind by far the most morally loathsome of the pro-guilt posters. An utterly unashamed liar and a deeply horrible human being.

I admit, in a way, I'd love it if we found out that HarryRag was one of the Kerchers. It would explain so much. I might even be able to understand and sympathize to some degree.

Many of us have speculated that Harry had to be a family member or someone close to the Kerchers given the avalanche of comments by HarryRag everywhere since almost day one.

But I think it is a huge mistake for Doug Bremner to post this without an explanation and some kind of evidence trail. Everyone knows that Anne Bremner has been significantly involved in publicly defending Amanda. For her husband to do this without evidence would be spectacularly irresponsible. And if I was Anne, I would slap him upside the head...or at least make him sleep on the couch for a few days.

 

[acbytesla]

Grinder is shooting blanks.

So that explains him being childless???


(Only kidding Grinder...)

 

[Rolfe]

The date on that post is nearly a week ago, though. Surely John Kercher knows about it. How long does it take to get a solicitor to send a letter, if there is absolutely no substance to the allegation?

Rolfe.

 

[Grinder]

Is that a shot??? Do I need to get out my gun too???

Grinder is shooting blanks.

Why would you both take it as shots? Do you think there is something wrong with what he writes?

The particular part I was thinking of was the psychic.

 

[Grinder]

The date on that post is nearly a week ago, though. Surely John Kercher knows about it. How long does it take to get a solicitor to send a letter, if there is absolutely no substance to the allegation?

Rolfe.

I'm sure LJ will let us know but I think that they can't do much as long as he isn't in britain. I would think they would ignore it anyway.

 

[acbytesla]

This is a good point. Whereas Harry Rag/The Machine can only been seen as having minimal to no impact on the trial(s), probably in the main he has driven more people into the innocence camp than convinced folk of guilt.

The way to "convert" people in these sorts of things is to offer a consistent message without seeming to be strange or eccentric....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_influence

Once undecided people catch on that Rag is simply cutting and pasting from old theories, and simply does not address much past the prosecution's case at the Massei trial, he just seems stranger and more eccentric. His overuse of such claims as, "the abundant DNA found on the clasp and on the knife," simply does not hold scrutiny.

I wonder if Doug Bremner is Harry Rag, doing a false flag operation! Still, TM/HR could most certainly use some PR advice from Gogerty-Marriott.... just saying.

Boy do I agree with you on this Bill. I think there was a time where Harry was effective, but that was very long ago.

Today, there are too many PIP posters that post great rebuttals to his nonsense. And Harry has always been ill equipped to deal with them. He just cuts and paste and never addresses the holes that get ripped through his comments.

So now, he serves the purpose of the PIP by showing both the weakness and the insanity of the guilters and the prosecution case.

 

[acbytesla]

Why would you both take it as shots? Do you think there is something wrong with what he writes?

The particular part I was thinking of was the psychic.

Don't be coy Grinder. It sure seemed like a shot. I think Bremner is making a huge mistake and being publicly stupid. My guess by your comments is that you think so too.

And given our history where we have both taken aim at each other for one reason or another, we know you are not above firing one at me.

BTW, I don't take it personally.

 

[Strozzi]

If John Kercher, Jr. is not posting as Harry Rag and brings suit for liable, he may have to prove he is not the Rag. He may find himself in the unusual positon of having to prove his innocence. He will learn how difficult it is to prove a negative.

Hope the police don't fry his computer. That may be the only evidence to clear his name.

 

[Mary_H]

I'm a bit put off by Rolfe's "blindingly obvious" comment if only because it's rarely so cut and dried. I remember when this thread started, it seemed that most people leaned towards guilt. Of course, back then I was a wee lad, and hamburgers cost 16 cents.

Could someone give a short summary of the reason why this "consensus" has changed, for those of us not interested in reading eight monstrous threads ?

Those who continue to believe in guilt stopped posting here for the most part. Hence, the make-up of the population has changed, which changes the consensus.

 

[AmyStrange]

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If John Kercher, Jr. is not posting as Harry Rag and brings suit for liable, he may have to prove he is not the Rag. He may find himself in the unusual positon of having to prove his innocence. He will learn how difficult it is to prove a negative.

Hope the police don't fry his computer. That may be the only evidence to clear his name.

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He'd also have to prove he was affected or damaged by the accusation. I wonder how that would go?

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[Mary_H]

I do know the following, as The Machine he specifically denied this rumour on PMF in the last day or two.
Secondly, a few months ago he posted on a general comment thread somewhere as HarryRag that he planned to be sipping champagne with friends as the guilty verdict for this trial is announced, and they are sentenced to life imprisonment.
This sounds inconsistent with being a member of the victim's family, but consistent with being deranged.<snip>

I agree. The name HarryRag began appearing within months of the death. I can't see a family member having the energy to fight the way HarryRag has, at least not for 6 years.

I have not been able to read the article yet, but if HarryRag hasn't broken any laws, then I don't see how there is any defamation in connecting his activities to anyone else.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

a mountain of missing evidence

So, reasonable doubt, then.

Besides the evidence with respect to an early TOD, there is a lack of evidence that should be there if AK and RS were guilty. There is no CCTV footage of them outside. There is no electronic contact between RG and the pair. There are no bloody clothes of theirs or bloody shoe prints of theirs in Meredith's room. There is no DNA on Meredith's body (there well might be if the pair restrained her or choked her). It is difficult to put an exact weight on the missing evidence, but it is problematic.