Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

[rickps]

This thread has risen from the dead!!!! I thought it was nailed down. Or did those nails float away as well?

 

[Parsman]

Well obviously this isn't really happening. We all died in the World War that happened before the London Olympics in 2012 and because we didn't believe in Ama we were sentenced to hell. And this is hell. To relive this thread over and over again for eternity. The stupid, it burns!

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Just out of curiosity, which St James found the nail in Paris?

In the original text, http://aristean.org/pahayag082.htm , it says San Tiago, or in English, Saint James. Most likely, it is the apostle James, the son of Zebedee and the brother of the apostle John. Saint James might have been to his way to Spain to spread the teachings of Jesus. Paris is between Israel and Spain.

Pontius Pilate is a contemporary of Jesus and might have died during the first century AD.

 

[abaddon]

In the original text, http://aristean.org/pahayag082.htm , it says San Tiago, or in English, Saint James. Most likely, it is the apostle James, the son of Zebedee and the brother of the apostle John. Saint James might have been to his way to Spain to spread the teachings of Jesus. Paris is between Israel and Spain.

Pontius Pilate is a contemporary of Jesus and might have died during the first century AD.

No, Paris is not between Israel and Spain.

 

[Craig B]

... Pontius Pilate is a contemporary of Jesus and might have died during the first century AD.

He almost certainly did, but not in Judaea. He was not a Judaean, but very probably an Italian, possibly a Samnite. He was recalled to Rome in 36 AD and ceased to be governor of Judaea.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

How did the Pharisees get hold of Pilate's remains? ( Enc. Brit.) What then happened is not known, but he certainly didn't go back to Judaea. So did the Pharisees get his body back from Rome and mummify it in case they needed it to quell a storm? Or if he was still unburied, where on earth did this all happen? Pharisees were probably not encouraged to wander about Italy throwing the unburied remains of Roman aristocrats into the sea.

Please see timeline during the time of Jesus at http://aristean.org/wp055.htm .

Pontius Pilate was a golem, created by Jesus when He was 12 years old. He became the adopted son of Emperor Tiberius Caesar who reigned from 20 BC to 2 AD. During the reign of Tiberius Caesar, he appointed his adopted son, Pontius Pilate, as Governor of Judea, who reigned for ten years from 6 BC to 4 AD. Jesus was crucified on 1 BC during their reigns.

How did the Pharisees get hold of Pilates remains? I do not know but he must have died in Israel for the Pharisees to get hold of his remains.

 

[Dissolution]

Pontius Pilate was a golem, created by Jesus when He was 12 years old.

And nobody noticed that he was made out of clay?
Also makes your claims about him dying and leaving a corpse rather a large contradiction, doesn't it?

 

[Mojo]

Please see timeline during the time of Jesus at http://aristean.org/wp055.htm .

Pontius Pilate was a golem, created by Jesus when He was 12 years old. He became the adopted son of Emperor Tiberius Caesar who reigned from 20 BC to 2 AD. During the reign of Tiberius Caesar, he appointed his adopted son, Pontius Pilate, as Governor of Judea, who reigned for ten years from 6 BC to 4 AD. Jesus was crucified on 1 BC during their reigns.

You only have the word of a demonstrably fallible prophet for any of this, and it is contradicted by all the historical (and even biblical) sources. ETA: and it's patently nonsense.

How did the Pharisees get hold of Pilates remains?

They didn't.

I do not know but he must have died in Israel for the Pharisees to get hold of his remains.

Just as World War III must have happened in 2012 to have prevented the 2012 Olympics being held.

 

[halleyscomet]

I too have been speaking with the spirit of Ama. Many secrets have been revealed to me.

"Death undertakes incredible timelessness"

"Infinity grows through exponential acceptance"

"The Higgs boson illuminates the doorway to opportunities"

This web site is a secret means of distributing Ama's wisdom to skeptics: http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/

 

[abaddon]

Please see timeline during the time of Jesus at http://aristean.org/wp055.htm .

Already done the last time you presented this malarkey. It's still wrong.

Pontius Pilate was a golem,

Wrong.

created by Jesus when He was 12 years old.

Wrong.

He became the adopted son of Emperor Tiberius Caesar

Wrong.

who reigned from 20 BC to 2 AD.
During the reign of Tiberius Caesar, he appointed his adopted son, Pontius Pilate, as Governor of Judea,

Wrong.

who reigned for ten years from 6 BC to 4 AD.

Wrong.

Jesus was crucified on 1 BC during their reigns.

Wrong.

How did the Pharisees get hold of Pilates remains? I do not know but he must have died in Israel for the Pharisees to get hold of his remains.

After his time in Judea he was recalled to Rome, so wrong yet again.

Everything you posted is wrong. It was wrong the last time you posted it, it is wrong this time, it will continue to be wrong no matter how often you post it.

 

[Craig B]

... Pontius Pilate was a golem, created by Jesus when He was 12 years old.

No evidence for this most improbable occurrence is to be found in the New Testament.

He became the adopted son of Emperor Tiberius Caesar who reigned from 20 BC to 2 AD.

14 - 37 AD in fact.

During the reign of Tiberius Caesar, he appointed his adopted son, Pontius Pilate, as Governor of Judea, who reigned for ten years from 6 BC to 4 AD.

Dismissed from office 36 AD.

How did the Pharisees get hold of Pilates remains? I do not know but he must have died in Israel for the Pharisees to get hold of his remains.

How about, he didn't die in Judaea (there was no "Israel" at that time) and they didn't get hold of his remains?

 

[Wolrab]

When the three wise men gazed upon the baby Jebus, the Lord spoke to them and proclaimed the war to end all wars would start on a Wednesday. One of their camels overheard and was granted immortality so he could proclaim to the world,"Mike Mike Mike Mike! What day is it? HUMPDAY!" And so it came to pass, amen.

 

[HighRiser]

The nail that floated in the sea is found in http://aristean.org/pahayag082.htm in the original Filipino text. The transcription came from tape k15b, 13:32-15:16.

That nail that floated went to Paris, France is called Clavo Santo or Holy Nail. When Pontius Pilate died and was to be buried, the storm, earthquake, and flooding did not stop. What the Pharisees did was threw the corpse of Pontius Pilate into the sea but the storm, earthquake, and flooding even became intense. What they did was threw one of the nails into the sea and the weather calmed down. The nail floated to Paris and was found by Saint James. There, it was praised because there is no nail that can float.

In the original text, http://aristean.org/pahayag082.htm , it says San Tiago, or in English, Saint James. Most likely, it is the apostle James, the son of Zebedee and the brother of the apostle John. Saint James might have been to his way to Spain to spread the teachings of Jesus. Paris is between Israel and Spain.

Pontius Pilate is a contemporary of Jesus and might have died during the first century AD.

Please see timeline during the time of Jesus at http://aristean.org/wp055.htm .

Pontius Pilate was a golem, created by Jesus when He was 12 years old. He became the adopted son of Emperor Tiberius Caesar who reigned from 20 BC to 2 AD. During the reign of Tiberius Caesar, he appointed his adopted son, Pontius Pilate, as Governor of Judea, who reigned for ten years from 6 BC to 4 AD. Jesus was crucified on 1 BC during their reigns.

How did the Pharisees get hold of Pilates remains? I do not know but he must have died in Israel for the Pharisees to get hold of his remains.

Bringing logical progression into this discussion is like trying to teach your water polo pony to use a football bat.

I wish I had the imagination to respond to these ridiculous premises with even more ridiculous rebuttals. But, alas...

 

[Astreja]

If you wish to hear the audio, they can be uploaded in Yahoo since only 5 MB max (about 5 minutes) can be uploaded at a time.

Aristeo, I just said that the sound quality of your other recordings is too poor to properly analyze and that I wasn't interested in hearing any more.

Regarding ‘any corroborating documents for your “floating nails” hypothesis’, I think there is none other than what the spirit of Ama said.

Just as I suspected -- The only "evidence" you have is what some false prophet in the Philippines told you. In other words, you have nothing that meets our standard of evidence.

 

[alanvegas]

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A spirit revealed that four nails were used for the hands and feet of Jesus when He was crucified. The nails were eight-sided, “octobado”. They had been retrieved from Jerusalem by Saint Helena, the mother of Emperor Constantine. It is incredible because the nails made of steel floated on the water and were brought to different places – Karpentas, Rome, Milan, and Paris.

Do I believe this? The story is also found at “Awit at salaysay ng Pasiong Mahal” (in Filipino) read and sang during Holy Week in the Philippines. Any comments?

Oh man I'm way late to this party, how does this 'spirit' speak? Does it have vocal cords or is it all done with some crazy cosmic telepathy?

 

[Wolrab]

Oh man I'm way late to this party, how does this 'spirit' speak? Does it have vocal cords or is it all done with some crazy cosmic telepathy?

The old blind woman's voice changes into Jesus'. We all know it is impossible to change ones voice. Miracle!

Good for ol' Ka Apaz. How else is an old blind lady going to make a comfortable life for herself and her family?

 

[svenax]

Oh man I'm way late to this party, how does this 'spirit' speak? Does it have vocal cords or is it all done with some crazy cosmic telepathy?

The spirit enters her head through the fontanel, which is clearly heard as a whistling sound in some of the recordings. Then it speaks with pretty much the same voice as the old woman normally uses. See, proof positive that Ama/Ka Apaz are legit. Right?

 

[TjW]

This fairy tale is bull ****. Nails don't float, except in silly made-up stories. Nobody buys the crap your false prophet is making up.

It's easy to make a nail float: A nail, two scoops of vanilla ice cream and 7-up.
Although, to make it easier to swallow, I suppose it should be made with more Dom.
More Dom, please!

 

[Akhenaten]

The nail that floated in the sea is found in http://aristean.org/pahayag082.htm in the original Filipino text.

No, that's just where the silly story is found. The nails aren't to be found anywhere.

This point can't possibly be hammered home enough.

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The transcription came from tape k15b, 13:32-15:16.

It might just as well come from a big, black monolith orbiting Jupiter.


In fact, that would be more believable.

That nail that floated went to Paris, France is called Clavo Santo or Holy Nail.

By whom?

I realise that argumentum ad googlum isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but I can't help noticing that the only search result for "Clavo Santo" that reflects your story is, in fact, your story in this thread.

That would be a fail, I'm afraid.

When Pontius Pilate died and was to be buried, the storm, earthquake, and flooding did not stop.

What storm, earthquake, and flooding?

Met records please!

What the Pharisees did was threw the corpse of Pontius Pilate into the sea but the storm, earthquake, and flooding even became intense.

A group of Jewish political agitators threw the body of a Roman procurator into the sea???

I'll tell you what that would have intensified, PeaceCrusader, and it wouldn't have had anything to do with the bloody weather.

What they did was threw one of the nails into the sea and the weather calmed down.

Because the Pharisees have always been famous for their veneration of all things Jesusy, haven't they?

Isis wept, PeaceCrusader. Have you put any thought into this at all?

The nail floated to Paris and was found by Saint James.

This would be Saint James, son of Zebedee, who never went north of the Pyrenees would it?

Please explain.

There, it was praised because there is no nail that can float.

No dissonance there for you? Nothing setting off the alarm bells of suspicion?

Iron nails mysteriously floating between two inland cities that are thousands of kilometres apart is all good with you, is it?

 

[alanvegas]

The old blind woman's voice changes into Jesus'. We all know it is impossible to change ones voice. Miracle!

Good for ol' Ka Apaz. How else is an old blind lady going to make a comfortable life for herself and her family?

Ol' Ka Apaz you lucky lucky thing!

So, logically speaking, and in my opinion, we are in dark days when the best use of it's powers that the god of the Hebrews can come up with is making one of it's intangible minions (a) manipulate an old lady's vocal cords and (b) keep it from falling straight thru the center of the earth at the same time!

has it been covered already that we know this 'spirit' definitely is one of the Hebrew god's minions and not batting for, uh, the other team? or not one of the other pantheons of gods doing it to make Yahweh's followers look like buffoons?