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The Ozone hole is monitored closely and some progress has been made in mitigating ...and if you think it's a laughing matter I suggest strongly you stay out of Australia "mate"...they don't suffer fools...

What Damage Can Ozone Depletion Do?
Ozone depletion allows more ultraviolet radiation through to the earth. Ultraviolet radiation can damage humans, plants and animals. It can interfere with photosynthesis in plants and cause eye problems and skin cancer in humans and animals.

Skin cancer is already a disease of epidemic proportions in Australia which now affects two thirds of all Australians. Skin cancer is a worse problem in Australia than in other parts of the world because many Australians have fair skins and yet Australia is so close to the tropics. Skin cancer is about 10 times more common amongst Australians than it is amongst other fair skinned people in Northern Europe.
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http://www.uow.edu.au/~sharonb/HoleStory/intro/intro4.html
 
macdoc said:
The Ozone hole is monitored closely and some progress has been made in mitigating ...and if you think it's a laughing matter I suggest strongly you stay out of Australia "mate"...they don't suffer fools...
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I agree 100%. I know all about Australia: I watched all the "Mad Max" movies, I have petted a Kangaroo at the zoo, and I once met Greg Norman on a Golf Course! You people got it tough!

BTW...do you still let the Road Warrior drive his Supercharged Ford as he cruises outback hunting down Australia's free-range Perverts and Psychopaths, or do you insist he drive something more environmentally friendly like a Toyota Prius...or a freakin' Tesla?

Anyways...I hope things get better for your country soon.
 
lionking said:
Oh dear. Please read some of the links above. The weather may have turned cold where you are (but not here), but the climate decidedly hasn't.
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One point I was making is that your buddy Al Gore showed (in his film) a solitary Polar Bear drifting on a tiny ice flow .... and stated that all the ice was melting in the arctic .... and by 2014 most of the ice would be gone.

And I am here to tell you there are more Polar Bears than ever before (just since 1998 a 9000 increase) ... the Hudson's Bay has frozen over much earlier than normal and the bears are all out on the (huge) icepack hunting seals.

Al Gore was wrong .... and so was his science .... the same science many folks still adhere to.

He never fooled me ... and I have followed the scam closely for many years ... I even attended Al Gore's Propaganda tour when it came to Regina Saskatchewan university ... we fueled his 747 with 25,000 liters of JetA ... he demanded $100,000 up front for his "speech" .... he demanded 5 stretch limos for his "entourage" .... left them running all day to keep warm .... and demanded 5 star accommodations in the best hotel

All the while telling the audience they were burning too much fuel ...

By the way I drove there in a VW diesel that gets 55-62 mpg.
 
DC .... you have not answered my earlier question .... why was the propaganda changed from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" ... ?
 
My buddy Al Gore? Please show me anywhere on this whole forum where I have referred to him? Otherwise, save the straw for something useful, like mulching your garden to protect it against rising temperatures.
 
Arnold Martin said:
DC .... you have not answered my earlier question .... why was the propaganda changed from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" ... ?
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Global warming is the underlying trend, climate change (which includes for example changes in rainfall amount and distribution) is the result of that trend. Both terms are, and always have been, in constant use in the scientific literature. The IPCC was formed in 1988, that's 25 years ago. It was not originally called the IPGW, and did not subsequently change its name.

In other words your question is nonsense, like everything else you've seen on denier sites and quoted here without doing the minimum checking necessary to prevent you making an utter fool of yourself.
 
lionking said:
It allows politicians to use weasel words (climate change) to pretend they care.
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Indeed. As has been pointed out, the only people who tried to get the term climate change used more generally in preference to global warming were deniers, who thought it sounded less alarming.
 
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macdoc said:
What prediction was that about the Ice Age ...you mean the Time cover??? Care to share.?
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Actually, I heard about it through a local newspaper. Specifically, it was a University of East Anglia expert making the claim that the earth was on a long-term cooling trend and not on the verge of an ice-age like some climate alarmists suggested.

Yep...those were the days when the East Anglia University climate research people were still honest and didn't engage in alarmism. Couldn't find the newspaper I took at the time, but I did find another newspaper that had the article: http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...ew ice age coming hubert lamb&pg=4365,2786655

It's always something with you Climate Alarmists. First there's an Ice Age a-comming....then there's the Great Ozone Hole from Outer Space....and now there is the haunting spectre of Global Warming. What's your next panic?
 
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Arnold Martin said:
DC .... you have not answered my earlier question .... why was the propaganda changed from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" ... ?
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when do you think it was changed? i know both have been used since decades.

i showed you when and why the deniers changed it.
 
I see - you base your knowledge on "something you heard" through a local newspaper. :rolleyes:

Well indeed the earth was on a long term cooling trend towards the next ice age until we came along. It's called Milankovich cycles.

From the Wiki Commons Holocene temperature graph
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and global dimming mechanism > SO2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming
may yet be used as a last ditch geo-engineering effort to offset C02 impact.

Weighing the pros and cons of stratospheric geoengineering | Ars ...

arstechnica.com/.../weighing-the-pros-and-cons-of-stratospheric...‎
by Jeremy Jacquot - in 58 Google+ circles
Oct 22, 2009 - They found that, while stratospheric geoengineering would slow ... from natural and human activities, such as sulfur dioxide (SO2) and dimethyl .
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Indeed the same particulate over East Asia in the last decade has reduced incoming solar to China by 25% over some cities and regions.

Doesn't change reality....it's getting warmer...we're responsible - time to move on to carbon neutral instead of dancing to the fossil fuel fiddles.
 
Jules Galen said:
Actually, I heard about it through a local newspaper. Specifically, it was a University of East Anglia expert making the claim that the earth was on a long-term cooling trend and not on the verge of an ice-age like some climate alarmists suggested.

Yep...those were the days when the East Anglia University climate research people were still honest and didn't engage in alarmism. Couldn't find the newspaper I took at the time, but I did find another newspaper that had the article: http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...ew ice age coming hubert lamb&pg=4365,2786655

It's always something with you Climate Alarmists. First there's an Ice Age a-comming....then there's the Great Ozone Hole from Outer Space....and now there is the haunting spectre of Global Warming. What's your next panic?
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1.st according to the natural forcings, we should be heading towards the next glacial period. as the PAGES reconstruction recently showed, we were in a long time cooling trend that started some 2 millenia ago.
and in the 40's - 60's the world was cooling. so some scientists had indeed concluded we would continue to cool. but even back then most scientists in the relevant field were convinced the CO2 warming will overcome the cooling. and so it did.

the ozone hole is still there, but since we phased out CFC's the hole is slowly recovering.

today its not a question if there is global warming or not, the question is how much warming will our CO2 cause.
 
That was in TIME magazine. TIME magazine is not a scientific publication. This stupid argument has been answered countless times.
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it wasn't Time specifically ( tho Time and Newsweeks had articles discussing the issue )...that circulating cover about the Coming Ice Age that the deniers like to trot out was a complete fabrication by the usual suspects
http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2...th-and-time-magazine-covers-by-david-kirtley/
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Indeed tho - had the Acid Rain - Clean Air campaign not been undertaken and the growth of S02 emissions left unchecked it would have had far reaching impacts on the climate.
 
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