Is Australia screwed?

[a_unique_person]

It was snowing in the Victorian Alps 10 days ago.

Was that a record? I have been reporting records.

Actually the comparison is not too far fetched. Many make a belief in AGW central to their existence and impacts on everything they do.

Evidence.

And here you almost confirm it is a religion saying (effectively) that "John has his religion, why can't others have theirs".

Because this about the findings of scientific research. Not some fairy story about father christmas. Faith has nothing to do with it. As for comparing science to religion, Howard is a grade a moron, his essay is so riddled with errors it beggars belief, he just believes every simple minded lie about global warming without even questioning it.


When were these occasions?[/quote]

Let me google that for you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2975862.stm

http://io9.com/5501565/extinction-events-that-almost-wiped-out-humans

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Evidence.

Happily. Once you start and consistently do so yourself. Goose, sauce, gander and all that, what?

Let me google that for you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2975862.stm

http://io9.com/5501565/extinction-events-that-almost-wiped-out-humans

I got the impression you meant recently. That aside, it appears that we do have the ability to adapt don't we? Why? Because we are not extinct. Point proven, methinks.

 

[a_unique_person]

Happily. Once you start and consistently do so yourself. Goose, sauce, gander and all that, what?



I got the impression you meant recently. That aside, it appears that we do have the ability to adapt don't we? Why? Because we are not extinct. Point proven, methinks.

Lol. I am not dead yet, therefore I am immortal.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Lol. I am not dead yet, therefore I am immortal.

Er... therefor you are adaptable. Remember, this was about being nearly extinct - we are not. Why? Because we are adaptable, this has not changed and is further enhanced due to technology etc.

 

[a_unique_person]

Er... therefor you are adaptable. Remember, this was about being nearly extinct - we are not. Why? Because we are adaptable, this has not changed and is further enhanced due to technology etc.

Howard claimed infinitely adaptable. I am not immortal, we are not infinitely adaptable. Howard's feeble minded ignorance beggars belief, but it is not infinite.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Howard claimed infinitely adaptable. I am not immortal, we are not infinitely adaptable.

So far so good.

 

[a_unique_person]

So far so good.

That's what the guy said who jumped off the cliff.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

That's what the guy said who jumped off the cliff.

Yeah, but he was a climate change alarmist trying to get away from the falling sky. The sensible people remain at the top ........... adapting.

 

[a_unique_person]

Yeah, but he was a climate change alarmist trying to get away from the falling sky. The sensible people remain at the top ........... adapting.

Too bad for the other species that inhabit Australia. Have you passed on the word to them? A lot of them are already living on the margins of temperature that they can live in. AGW is going to be doing a lot of damage to them, there are species that are at risk.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

I think they'll manage - they are staying at the top of the cliff and not jumping - adaptable.
At any rate you have moved the goalposts, we were talking about adaptability of the human race.

 

[a_unique_person]

I think they'll manage - they are staying at the top of the cliff and not jumping - adaptable.
At any rate you have moved the goalposts, we were talking about adaptability of the human race.

Your opinion is not evidence, this is a sceptics forum, evidence is required. I have provided evidence of all the record temperatures and other matters referred to.

Howard has asserted we have an 'infinite' ability to adapt. He has provided no evidence of this claim, there is no evidence we have an infinite capacity for anything. Howard ignores the fact that Australia is not just inhabited by the human species, we are but one of a multitude.

http://theconversation.com/climate-...-bush-and-well-have-to-think-big-to-cope-9665

The risk of extinction

The total number of species becoming extinct and at risk of extinction is likely to be considerably greater in the future.
With limited resources and many threatened species, it may be more beneficial overall to prioritise effort on species that have greater likelihood of surviving, rather than the most vulnerable. Naturally, this raises questions about society’s value of particular species that will need to be discussed.
People also value living landscapes for their aesthetic, cultural and production values. Future conservation objectives will need to address how to conserve these values as ecosystems and land uses change in response to the climate.
Current biodiversity management strategies largely assume low levels of species loss, relatively high levels of knowledge about threats and the state of biodiversity, and relatively static environments. These strategies will be less effective as high levels of change occur and uncertainty increases.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Your opinion is not evidence, this is a sceptics forum, evidence is required.

Will you mind when I quote that back at you?

I have provided evidence of all the record temperatures and other matters referred to.

And snow in December?

Howard has asserted we have an 'infinite' ability to adapt. He has provided no evidence of this claim,

Except we are still here.

 

[a_unique_person]

Will you mind when I quote that back at you?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that is all it is. Without evidence, it means little. I am talking about scientific facts here. Exceptional temperature records, an exceptional drought.

And snow in December?
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Hardly exceptional, or a record. Not the usual summer event, though. However from December last year.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-05/summer-snow-storm-at-falls-creek/4408722

It is officially the fifth day of summer, but it snowed overnight at Falls Creek, in Victoria's north-east.
The ski resort received up to six centimetres of snow.
Resident photographer Chris Hocking says the wind chill took apparent temperatures to minus 6 degrees Celsius at times and the ground has turned white.
"We've probably seen four to six centimetres on the ground [and] a little more up high," he said.
"Temps are in sort of mid-winter chill and [it's] just amazing to see the ground turn pretty much white all around the resort."
Mount Baw Baw and Mount Hotham have also had snow.

http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/a-snowy-dusting-in-victorias-summer/13262

A snowy dusting in Victoria's summer

Sam Terry, Friday December 11, 2009 - 18:12 EDT Most people consider summer a time to wear shorts and thongs wherever one pleases, with little thought of ski jackets or snowboards. However Victoria's Mount Baw Baw saw a light dusting of snow, and it's already two weeks into summer. A cold front crossed the nation's southeast during Thursday, bringing gusty winds and some good falls to southern Victoria.

Except we are still here.

Which is no indication at all of 'infinite'. All you are giving me is a finite boundary.

 

[lionking]

And snow in December?

Show how this contradicts the fact that we have had the warmest year on record?

 

[a_unique_person]

Show how this contradicts the fact that we have had the warmest year on record?

correct, we have had snow in December before, but not these record high temperatures.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

A few short points:

Given the world is warming (save that we have stopped in the last 15 years or so against all predictions by the alarmists and climate modeling), of course we have high temperatures.

I was also led to believe by warmists that temperature wasn't climate. Seems that it is now.

The irony of my December snow falls was missed.

I would also point the incongruity that the earth is warming at and to record levels yet we still have the same (as you claim) cold temperatures as we always did.

Finally, please don't respond to these points made, this isn't an S&T discussion it is politics, and I will not be drawn into off topic chat any further. Can we stay on topic please?

 

[lionking]

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Given the world is warming (save that we have stopped in the last 15 years or so against all predictions by the alarmists and climate modeling), of course we have high temperatures.

Wrong.

 

[a_unique_person]

Yeah, about that warming pause.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astr...ming_new_study_shows_pause_doesn_t_exist.html

If you’ve been paying any attention at all to the ongoing noise about global warming, then you’ve heard of the so-called pause. This is the idea that the planet hasn’t actually been warming for the past 15 years or so.

However, this is baloney. First off, the plot used by people who would deny the Earth is warming up (and that humans are behind it) only shows the temperature of the air over land and ocean. But our atmosphere (pardon the weird metaphor) doesn’t exist in a vacuum; the extra heat retained by our planet is also warming the oceans. In fact, most of that heat is going into deep ocean waters.

Second, if you look at temperatures historically, we see ups and down like this every few decades; you have to look at the overall multidecade trend and not focus on some short (and cherry-picked) time frame.

And now we have something else to add to that list: The “pause” may not exist at all.

A new study shows that the temperatures over the past 15 years are still on the rise. The problem, say the authors, is that the global surface temperatures have been based on incomplete data, with some regions left out (most notably over Africa, the Arctic, and Antarctica). The most northerly latitudes have been warming faster on average than other spots on Earth since the late 1990s, so if you leave them out you see a somewhat cooler global average than you should.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Politics old son, politics.

 

[a_unique_person]

Sure, take our own Australian Dolt.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...to_a_pause_in_warming_they_refused_to_report/

Fascinating. ABC warming preachers, present and ex, are finally acknowledging a fact the ABC largely refused to even report - that the world has not been warming for 15 years.
Take Jonathan Holmes, who as Media Watch host attacked sceptics of apocalyptic man-made warming:

Six years ago, Rudd won government, at least in part, by portraying John Howard as yesterday’s man on climate change. Now neither party wants to mention the phrase, because voters have stopped caring.

What’s changed? A lot of things… The climate itself hasn’t changed enough: global atmospheric temperatures have remained stubbornly stable for more than a decade and a half.
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ABC Radio National Breakfast presenter Fran Kelly:

How do these record [Australian] temperatures fit in with the hiatus or slow down in rising global mean surface temperatures over the past 15 years?
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Why did the ABC for 14 years refuse to report on a puzzling pause in global warming and demonise those who did? Why only in the 15th year refer to it, and then only in passing?

Errm, how did they know 14 years ago the supposed pause was even happening? The Dolt can't even make a reasonable political case against global warming. In fact, the Murdoch Media are caught red handed peddling utter nonsense.

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3854782.htm

Yes it’s official at last ... those stupid scientists on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change got it wrong


Chris Smith: ... in what amounts to the most embarrassing self-assessment in world science, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has basically fessed up. It’s admitted that its computer drastically overestimated rising temperatures. Wouldn’t you know it, eh? ...

Instead of warming at a rate of .2 degrees Celsius per decade, which was always a total con, we’ve only warmed .1 of a degree per decade since 1951.

— 2GB, Breakfast Show with Chris Smith, 16th September, 2013

Well, that’s a relief. And how do we know it’s true?

Because Chris Smith read it on the front page of last Monday’s Australian newspaper.

And when it comes to rubbishing the dangers of man-made global warming the shock jocks certainly know who we can trust.


The Australian

Graham Lloyd Environment Editor

We got it wrong on warming, says IPCC

— 2GB, The Australian, 16th September, 2013

As the Australian revealed , the world’s climate experts had got their figures terribly wrong.

In a leaked final draft of their latest climate report, due out later this week, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change or IPCC was set to admit:


... its computer drastically overestimated rising temperatures, and over the past 60 years the world has in fact been warming at half the rate claimed in the previous IPCC report in 2007.

— 2GB, The Australian, 16th September, 2013

Ah. That damn computer. It’s been giving so much trouble.

Not surprisingly, the boffins were running for cover and getting ready for the fall out.

Although of course they would not admit it.


Last week the IPCC was forced to deny it was locked in crisis talks ...

— 2GB, The Australian, 16th September, 2013

Graham Lloyd hadn’t apparently seen the leaked IPCC report, but he really didn’t need to.

Because he’d read all about it the previous day in Britain’s raucous Mail on Sunday .


THE GREAT GREEN CON

World’s top climate scientists confess: global warming is half what we said.

— 2GB, The Mail on Sunday (UK), 15th September, 2013

As the Mail revealed, it was an ‘astonishing new admission’, a ‘staggering mixture of confusion and ignorance’ and a ‘massive cut in the speed of global warming’.

But there was one small problem. It wasn’t the scientists who got their figures wrong. It was the Mail on Sunday.