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Windows 8: how did so much suck happen?

Travis

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I just got a new computer. As is to be expected it came with Windows 8.

And boy do I hate it.

I mean my reaction can be summed up as: why did they change this? Why did they do that? Have they not heard of multitasking? Did they think everyone just loved the clunky interfaces of smart phones? Who possibly thought any of this was a good idea?


So many things I used to do on Vista (itself notorious for being clunky) are now harder. How did this happen?
 
There was a thread about this long ago.
To sum up:
Your side, complains about stupid Windows 8 changes
Other side, says quit complaining, the changes are superficial

Let us know how you cope with workarounds...
 
MS wanted to create a single, seamless user experience across three distinct platforms: The desktop, tablets, and phones. They eventually wanted to extend that to their web-based interfaces as well (hotmail, bing, etc.). Anyone that tried to tell them this was a bad idea was shown to the door (or had to duck a few chairs).

Then they looked at Apple's OS's, couldn't really understand why people loved them so much (well, some people) and took home the wrong conclusions. They came up with the Metro user interface: all elements are buttons (except the identical looking ones that aren't), and no extraneous, distracting, information is on the screen (also, no additional useful info). Options you didn't need were hidden (and you had no way to find out where they were). Adequate for phones with limited space and limited uses.

After the beta release, they started to see the problems (with desktop systems), but the internal MS politics wouldn't let them change directions in any massive fashion (saying the boss was wrong -> flying chairs). They put the desktop back, but you had to hunt for it. The start menu still didn't exist (except for a third-party add-on (that this was one of the most downloaded apps for Win8 shows how much people wanted it)). Apps were either for the desktop, or for the new Metro interface (which they are now trying to claim they never called "The Metro Interface", an that the OS wasn't specifically designed to use it), and would automatically switch between them when you started one (even inadvertently).

They still failed to understand why people were having trouble: everyone they sat down and taught to use it had no problem (with the things they'd been taught). It worked great with touchscreens. They kept saying "This looks just like Apple's OS's! Why won't people love us?". So several of these problems were still present when they actually released MS Win8.

Of course, many MS fanboys kept saying how there weren't any problems. When asked, though (often repeatedly), they eventually admit that they bypassed metro, installed the third-party Start menu app, and generally had to do a lot of 'fixing' to make it useable (a sub-variant of the fanboy will then chide you for 'trying to use the tablet options on a desktop', heedless of the default installation options). These are all things that the average user wouldn't even know was possible to do, let alone know how to do.
 
I get the impression they projected their market share with their previous windows approach versus the mobile and competitor approach, got scared, and figured if they didn't change something, they were toast. And that the new OS is not really so much meant to please current and past windows users, but to attract the new generations. It's a risk (and one that seems to equate to 'suck' with the old guard) but one they felt they couldn't avoid.
 
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Of course, many MS fanboys kept saying how there weren't any problems. When asked, though (often repeatedly), they eventually admit that they bypassed metro, installed the third-party Start menu app, and generally had to do a lot of 'fixing' to make it useable (a sub-variant of the fanboy will then chide you for 'trying to use the tablet options on a desktop', heedless of the default installation options). These are all things that the average user wouldn't even know was possible to do, let alone know how to do.

I use whatever works best for me and, right now, the OS that works best for me is Windows 8.1. No Start Menu app, no 'fixing', no 'chiding'. I haven't enjoyed an OS this much since the days of the Atari ST and Amiga machines. Does that make me a fanboy?
 
Have they not heard of multitasking?

What are you talking about?

The desktop interface has the exact same multitasking it always had, with I think better multiple screen support.

The touch interface multitasking is worlds above anything offered by iOS and Android.
 
MS wanted to create a single, seamless user experience across three distinct platforms: The desktop, tablets, and phones. They eventually wanted to extend that to their web-based interfaces as well (hotmail, bing, etc.). Anyone that tried to tell them this was a bad idea was shown to the door (or had to duck a few chairs).

Four - XBox as well.

Then they looked at Apple's OS's, couldn't really understand why people loved them so much (well, some people) and took home the wrong conclusions. They came up with the Metro user interface: all elements are buttons (except the identical looking ones that aren't), and no extraneous, distracting, information is on the screen (also, no additional useful info).

I have no idea what you are talking about here.

After the beta release, they started to see the problems (with desktop systems), but the internal MS politics wouldn't let them change directions in any massive fashion (saying the boss was wrong -> flying chairs). They put the desktop back, but you had to hunt for it.

What a load of revisionist rubbish. The desktop was never gone, and was always a major menu item on the start screen.

The start menu still didn't exist (except for a third-party add-on (that this was one of the most downloaded apps for Win8 shows how much people wanted it)).

Start menu always existed - it just went fullscreen.

Apps were either for the desktop, or for the new Metro interface (which they are now trying to claim they never called "The Metro Interface", an that the OS wasn't specifically designed to use it), and would automatically switch between them when you started one (even inadvertently).

Where are they claiming they never called it the "metro" interface? They've explicitly acknowledgede that was the name they used during development. Do you just make this stuff up? They dropped it after an in-family trademark dispute with a major reseller, Metro AG in Germany

Of course, many MS fanboys kept saying how there weren't any problems. When asked, though (often repeatedly), they eventually admit that they bypassed metro, installed the third-party Start menu app, and generally had to do a lot of 'fixing' to make it useable (a sub-variant of the fanboy will then chide you for 'trying to use the tablet options on a desktop', heedless of the default installation options). These are all things that the average user wouldn't even know was possible to do, let alone know how to do.

I've defended W8 on this forum. I never installed a 3rd party start menu app and love the full screen start menu. The default installation options were always dumb for desktop users and I've said that from the start. Guess I'm not one of the "fanboys" then. :cool:
 
Of course, many MS fanboys kept saying how there weren't any problems. When asked, though (often repeatedly), they eventually admit that they bypassed metro, installed the third-party Start menu app, and generally had to do a lot of 'fixing' to make it useable (a sub-variant of the fanboy will then chide you for 'trying to use the tablet options on a desktop', heedless of the default installation options). These are all things that the average user wouldn't even know was possible to do, let alone know how to do.
I also would like to know whether I'm a fanboy. I did indeed bypass Metro (or Modern), but didn't need to install a third-party start menu, since I didn't need one. Nobody that I know (in real life) has installed a third-party start menu.

If users can't work out to click the 'Desktop' icon to get to their desktop, then either I wouldn't call them 'average users', or the average is considerably lower than I would hope or expect.
 
I like Windows 8. The only problem with it is you have to change a few things at first (such as default programs for opening picture, video and music files) if you don't want it to be extremely annoying. But this is not hard to do.
 
I like Windows 8. The only problem with it is you have to change a few things at first (such as default programs for opening picture, video and music files) if you don't want it to be extremely annoying. But this is not hard to do.

This was also fixed in 8.1
 
I gave up on Windows ages ago. There are other operating systems available if you don't like it.

It doesn't even have to cost you any money to check out the alternatives. I went the free route and tried out several different versions of Linux and BSD until I found one I liked. I'm now running Xubuntu on my desktop. You can download it for free here if you're interested.

(Just make sure to backup your important files before installing a new OS, to be on the safe side.)
 
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You see what I mean. Some don't like it and state their reasons, others think those reasons are stupid and imply the user must be stupid as well.
 
What are you talking about?

The desktop interface has the exact same multitasking it always had, with I think better multiple screen support.

The touch interface multitasking is worlds above anything offered by iOS and Android.

Take Skype for instance. It used to be that I could just run it in the background and if something happened I would get an exclamation icon in the notification area that would stay there until I finally checked it. Now there is no icon.....anywhere and if I want to see if someone has left a message I actually have to go to the damned tile interface and click on it. If I don't do this periodically I might miss out on an entire series of posts without knowing it.

Another complaint is with Skype itself, though that is a third party issue, where in the Windows 8 version I have no ability to even view my profile settings let alone change them. I guess I'd better hope I was happy with all the info I inputted back with the old version!

Another complaint would be with music. I can only play one song at a time now because there is no "play all" button and I can't pick a new song without completely leaving the desktop.
 
Take Skype for instance. It used to be that I could just run it in the background and if something happened I would get an exclamation icon in the notification area that would stay there until I finally checked it. Now there is no icon.....anywhere and if I want to see if someone has left a message I actually have to go to the damned tile interface and click on it. If I don't do this periodically I might miss out on an entire series of posts without knowing it.

Another complaint is with Skype itself, though that is a third party issue, where in the Windows 8 version I have no ability to even view my profile settings let alone change them. I guess I'd better hope I was happy with all the info I inputted back with the old version!

Uninstall the version of skype you're using, then go here to get the version designed for desktop: http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-windows/

Another complaint would be with music. I can only play one song at a time now because there is no "play all" button and I can't pick a new song without completely leaving the desktop.

Open the Default Programs folder and click "set your default programs". Scroll down till you see Windows Media Player and click on it. Click "set this program as default". Do the same for Windows Photo Viewer.
 
You can tweak it and get it to the point where it is as serviceable as XP. But, yeah, you have to deal with a lot of nuisance changes that have no value. It's Microsoft.
 

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