Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Briars]

KMA - unless you start doing the same (making some sense and providing cites).

Thought so.

 

[Grinder]

Had Meredith's body been moved some time (hours) after her death, then this of course would constitute a certain amount of evidence against Knox (and possibly Sollecito), since it's obviously easier to conceive of Knox (with or without Sollecito) having the means and the motivation to do such an act, as opposed to Guede.

Why would this misdirection evidence point to the kids? It is in line with the bath mat print having to be Rudy's or Raf's. The kids left no evidence in the murder room and so could have another accomplice of Rudy.

Why would Amanda want to stage the body? She knew Rudy had fingered her and maybe more by leaving semen on the pillow.

Rudy could in his insanity returned in the middle of the night because of some afterthought. Everyone had the means since the door was open and it would have been no problem for him to get anyway.

If it were proven beyond any doubt that the scene was staged, I don't believe any PIP here would change their minds. If one will not accept the bra clasp this whole staging means nothing.

 

[Grinder]

I believe the glass pieces lineup because the rock was thrown from the inside with the shutter closed. The closed shutter stopped the glass in a line ,or soldiered on the sill if you will.The break in was staged to point away from entry through the front door.

Where is the damage to the inside of the outside shutter?

What would have stopped the glass from flying out when that huge 9 lb rock smashed through the glass and then the hit the shutters?

 

[Supernaut]

Do most intruders worry that they haven't left a shred of outside debris in the room . Do they have to worry that the glass pattern of the break-in looks like an inside job? Have you not understood that while trying to recreate a typical break they look like amateur stagers? Are you bright?

Please clarify;

Do you / did you actually believe that gaining entry to the flat was accomplished by climbing through the window-frame itself?

No one has demonstrated how anyone could get in through the broken broken glass opening without leaving a fibre or speck of dirt anywhere.

Simple question.

 

[Supernaut]

Yet again - this incessant pollution from "Briars" doesn't explicitly breach the TOS, so no mod can see any reason to give him/her the boot?

FTS.

 

[acbytesla]

I believe the glass pieces lineup because the rock was thrown from the inside with the shutter closed. The closed shutter stopped the glass in a line ,or soldiered on the sill if you will.The break in was staged to point away from entry through the front door.

Thank you Briars, You have made me get even more clear about how this proves that the rock was thrown from the outside.

You need to think about this Briars. Really think about it. The glass is scattered through out that room. Agreed? That alone proves that the rock was thrown through the window from the outside. It put a dent on the outside of the inside shutters.

In your scenario, more glass would have ended up outside and you can be sure that the 9 pound rock would have ended up outside. It would have blown open the outside shutters which would have kept some of the glass on the window directly below the wind as you are imagining. But the chip would have been on the inside of the outside shutters.

No, it's pretty clear those shards were pulled out of the window and placed. NOT the result of that glass falling so neatly from the window above. And how is that most likely to have happened? The burglar Rudy pulled them out of the window one by one while standing on the window grate from outside the window.

 

[acbytesla]

Where is the damage to the inside of the outside shutter?

What would have stopped the glass from flying out when that huge 9 lb rock smashed through the glass and then the hit the shutters?

We were thinking the same thing.

 

[Briars]

Where is the damage to the inside of the outside shutter?

What would have stopped the glass from flying out when that huge 9 lb rock smashed through the glass and then the hit the shutters?

Latching the inside shutter contained the throw, there is a chip of paint on the inner shutter visible in one of the photos. A point of the rock hit the closed shutter 5 inch or so a way from the glass windows leaving the chip before falling on the floor.

 

[Supernaut]

Time and time again, these "pro-guilt" trolls/liars please themselves for weeks, even months at a time, often posting 100's of times a week (sometimes a day!), reducing this so-called discussion to farce.

"Fulcanelli", "Dr Tesla" and others - these freaks rock up on a regular basis and get away with it (as I say) for weeks and months at a time.

But hey - there's no 'Term of Service' that forbids malign, bare-faced lying and trolling, right?

(Actually, I've had to point out that the TOS DOES actually forbid "thread flooding" AT LEAST twice in the past few years)

Carry on!

 

[Supernaut]

Briars;

Do you maintain that entry to the flat required, and was gained by climbing through the broken window-frame itself?

IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION, GOD DAMN IT!

 

[acbytesla]

Latching the inside shutter contained the throw, there is a chip of paint on the inner shutter visible in one of the photos. A point of the rock hit the closed shutter 5 inch or so a way from the glass windows leaving the chip before falling on the floor.

It's not going to contain the throw of a 9 pound rock Briars. And the glass is not going to scatter throughout the room as it did. Glass was found everywhere in that room. In fact all the way across the room. It also doesn't explain the chip out of the outside of the inside shutter. Or the lack of any damage to the inside of the outside shutter.

Please. Be honest with yourself and watch the channel 5 documentary and read Ron Hendry.

 

[el buscador]

Latching the inside shutter contained the throw, there is a chip of paint on the inner shutter visible in one of the photos. A point of the rock hit the closed shutter 5 inch or so a way from the glass windows leaving the chip before falling on the floor.

So the rock bounced off the inside of the outer shutters without leaving a nick then hit the outside of the inner shutter hard enough to leave a nick?

 

[Briars]

Briars;

Do you maintain that entry to the flat required, and was gained by climbing through the broken window-frame itself?

IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION, GOD DAMN IT!

Of course not they are Italian windows that open like shutters. There still should be evidence on the outside wall , sill ,and not just undisturbed glass.Glass which should have some prints or evidence if painstakenly removed by hand.Normally I don't bother with impolite posts.. So just this once.

 

[Briars]

So the rock bounced off the inside of the outer shutters without leaving a nick then hit the outside of the inner shutter hard enough to leave a nick?

No the rock went through the window then left a nick visible on the latched inside of the outside shutter.

 

[Supernaut]

Briars;

Do you maintain that entry to the flat required, and was gained by climbing through the broken window-frame itself?

IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION, GOD DAMN IT!

Of course not they are Italian windows that open like shutters. There still should be evidence on the outside wall , sill ,and not just undisturbed glass.Glass which should have some prints or evidence if painstakenly removed by hand.Normally I don't bother with impolite posts.. So just this once.

They are Italian windows!

They open like shutters!

Dear God!

Mods!!

WTF!!!

 

[kwill]

BTW, Briars, I meant to ask you something;

When you stated that;

"... No one has demonstrated how anyone could get in through the broken broken glass opening without leaving a fibre or speck of dirt anywhere",

I assumed you were being, erm, disingenuous, and attempting to maintain the pro-prosecution pretence that anything about the break-in is difficult or "unlikely".

I mean, it's pretty obvious that in most B&E's in which a pane of glass is broken, it's done in order to allow the intruder to reach in and open that window or door. Most people are aware of this.

Also, there was debris left inside Filomena's room. See Hendry's work, part 2, item #5. The problem -- again! -- is that the police didn't take the need to gather the evidence seriously.

 

[el buscador]

No the rock went through the window then left a nick visible on the latched inside of the outside shutter.

Do you have a photo?

 

[Briars]

Take your own advice and be honest .Have you ever dropped a small water glass pieces or splinters can be found across the room.

 

[Grinder]

Latching the inside shutter contained the throw, there is a chip of paint on the inner shutter visible in one of the photos. A point of the rock hit the closed shutter 5 inch or so a way from the glass windows leaving the chip before falling on the floor.

Latching the inside shutters in what way? Are you saying that they threw the rock with the window open and the inside shutters closed? Then the glass wouldn't be on the sill.

 

[Supernaut]

Briars;

Once again;

you stated that;

"... No one has demonstrated how anyone could get in through the broken broken glass opening without leaving a fibre or speck of dirt anywhere.."

Do you maintain that entry to the flat required, and was gained by climbing through the broken window-frame itself?