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Dr Phil promotes "Satanic Ritual Abuse" conspiracy theory

Altus said:
I think it is worth noting, Orphia, that Fran Keller has just been released from a TX prison after spending 21 years in jail for accusations of Satanic Ritual Abuse.

Of note from the media coverage:

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local/fran-keller-to-be-freed-in-satanic-abuse-case/nb5S2/
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Is anyone still following the statesman.com article? Pamela Noblitt stopped by, and sanity is prevailing - she does not have a receptive audience. Good to see that cases like this are being exposed, false convictions overturned, and judging by the commentary, people are starting to see the SRA conspiracy for exactly what it is.
 
Dismember said:
Is anyone still following the statesman.com article? Pamela Noblitt stopped by, and sanity is prevailing - she does not have a receptive audience. Good to see that cases like this are being exposed, false convictions overturned, and judging by the commentary, people are starting to see the SRA conspiracy for exactly what it is.
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Thanks for drawing our attention to that.

The article says, "The appeal also attacked a prosecution witness who testified about patterns of ritual abuse at the Fran and Dan Day Care Center, saying time has shown clinical psychologist Randy Noblitt to be a charlatan and a crackpot."

:D :D :D

Guess that just burns rabuster / Pamela up. :D
 
For anyone following the Amazon goings-on, Felicity Lee has officially outed herself as Pat Goodwin. (Archived here, should the other link stop working)

Felicity/Pat is currently having a meltdown over reports of the recent release of the Kellers and the San Antonio Four (Screenshot of Pat's comment here, in case she deletes it)

Excerpt:

Felicity Lee said:
You say, "as well as those wrongfully imprisoned because of your hysteria - 6 were just released in the past week or so after more than 120 years combined."

SIX!!!!???? Did you just say SIX????!!! You are raving this badly because SIX in the entire world - six wrongfully imprisoned of what? Rape, child abuse, Satanic Ritual Abused? What? Spit it out. Yell and scream and terrorize the survivors of child abuse, call us liars - and, for gosh sakes scream and yell about those poor innocent abusers imprisoned - maybe SIX will be 'wrongfully imprisoned' - because - hey - don't we all know that there is no such thing as child abuse or child abuse victims - the abusers are all innocent!!!!!!

So, get on your soapbox and start defending those child abusers - run over to the FMSF and get out those attorneys and expert witnesses to protect them - use those old 'false memory' schemes - the therapists did it, the accusers are liars, the abusers are saints. And, YOU - whoever you are - take it to someone or somewhere who cares - like God know - who defends child abusers and is so vindictive toward survivors. [...]
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Also, for levity:

Gordon_bydand said:
I'll use small words and Hulk-speak, so that Patty Goodwin, "Survivor" TM can follow:
Byington make claim. Claim false. Byington lie.
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(Gordon_bydand's 1 star review can be read here.)
 
Umm, what exactly is Felicity's/Pat's point, that it's OK for six to be wrongly imprisoned because what's six in the great scheme of things when you're trying to keep child molesters off the streets? I'm afraid I don't quite get it, and my previous attempt to engage Felicity/Pat in the past on the Amazon boards pretty much ended in (reasonably civil, at least) failure.
 
Stellafane said:
Umm, what exactly is Felicity's/Pat's point, that it's OK for six to be wrongly imprisoned because what's six in the great scheme of things when you're trying to keep child molesters off the streets? I'm afraid I don't quite get it, and my previous attempt to engage Felicity/Pat in the past on the Amazon boards pretty much ended in (reasonably civil, at least) failure.
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Yes, that IS her point, as far as I can tell. I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt, but I don't see any other way to interpret her words.

What I meant to mention in my previous post, too, is that her "outing" herself as Pat Goodwin was done in the context of her holding a conference in Seattle. Yes, Felicity Lee is holding a conference -- a conference in which registrants will (naturally) be giving her their money and other sensitive information. This comes on the heels of learning that she divulged Jenny Hill's private contact information to a very deranged man who had already had restraining orders against him (and apparently now has another one), and that man did in fact contact Jenny Hill, during which Felicity directed him in how to handle the situation.

These are but a few of the personal security risks one assumes when they keep company with (or runs afoul of) these "advocates".
 
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Why are those accusers still on the streets ?
They have done so much harm to innocent people with their lies and faux science.
They should have to at least do the same jail time
 
Dismember said:
Yes, that IS her point, as far as I can tell. I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt, but I don't see any other way to interpret her words.

What I meant to mention in my previous post, too, is that her "outing" herself as Pat Goodwin was done in the context of her holding a conference in Seattle. Yes, Felicity Lee is holding a conference -- a conference in which registrants will (naturally) be giving her their money and other sensitive information. This comes on the heels of learning that she divulged Jenny Hill's private contact information to a very deranged man who had already had restraining orders against him (and apparently now has another one), and that man did in fact contact Jenny Hill, during which Felicity directed him in how to handle the situation.

These are but a few of the personal security risks one assumes when they keep company with (or runs afoul of) these "advocates".
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What is the conference and when is it going to take place?
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
What is the conference and when is it going to take place?
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I'd think twice about giving her any publicity by posting such information on JREF. These charlatans are trolling for suggestible people to fleece and would like nothing better than to have their marketing efforts picked up by search engines.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
What is the conference and when is it going to take place?
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Well, the website posted above (the *wordpress* website, that is) does have some info, but there's a message there explaining that the conference information is now hosted on Goodwin's personal page, and to "disregard" the information on the wordpress page.

I suspect she's trying to move it all to her page so she can capture IP addresses, but I could very well be wrong about. Either way, I am loathe to give her website more hits so I don't know the current info. What I *do* know is that it's open to "survivors and professionals", and that Goodwin is, or at least was trying to offer Continuing Education credits with some of the workshops. So, in other words, something similar to the recent ISSTD conference, except that the ISSTD conference caters primarily to professional mental health care workers.

Altus, you're probably right about not offering her any free advertising, but on the other hand, if someone finds the information here (as opposed to some other public website), at least they'll also see it presented in a realistic light, so...
 
Dismember said:
Well, the website posted above (the *wordpress* website, that is) does have some info, but there's a message there explaining that the conference information is now hosted on Goodwin's personal page, and to "disregard" the information on the wordpress page.

I suspect she's trying to move it all to her page so she can capture IP addresses, but I could very well be wrong about. Either way, I am loathe to give her website more hits so I don't know the current info. What I *do* know is that it's open to "survivors and professionals", and that Goodwin is, or at least was trying to offer Continuing Education credits with some of the workshops. So, in other words, something similar to the recent ISSTD conference, except that the ISSTD conference caters primarily to professional mental health care workers.

Altus, you're probably right about not offering her any free advertising, but on the other hand, if someone finds the information here (as opposed to some other public website), at least they'll also see it presented in a realistic light, so...
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Can she really offer workshops that count toward the CE requirements of licensed mental health professionals? Who is the body that accredits such garbage?
 
Altus said:
I'd think twice about giving her any publicity by posting such information on JREF. These charlatans are trolling for suggestible people to fleece and would like nothing better than to have their marketing efforts picked up by search engines.
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You are right that they are looking to make money off the vulnerable; and the generally supportive and unquestioning nature of abuse support groups and organizations sadly make them very easy to take advantage of in this fashion.

Still, I believe this charlatanry constitutes its own insular corner of the abuse survivor "community", really, and isn't any kind of mainstream. I don't seem to find ads or notices about events, conferences, or talks focusing on "ritual abuse" in the couple of abuse survivor support forums I'm a member of. One of these forums is run by an organization which operates annual conferences and regular workshops for survivors, and "ritual abuse" (and related topics) have never been on the posted agendas of these, to my knowledge.
 
Dismember said:
Well, the website posted above (the *wordpress* website, that is) does have some info, but there's a message there explaining that the conference information is now hosted on Goodwin's personal page, and to "disregard" the information on the wordpress page.

I suspect she's trying to move it all to her page so she can capture IP addresses, but I could very well be wrong about. Either way, I am loathe to give her website more hits so I don't know the current info. What I *do* know is that it's open to "survivors and professionals", and that Goodwin is, or at least was trying to offer Continuing Education credits with some of the workshops. So, in other words, something similar to the recent ISSTD conference, except that the ISSTD conference caters primarily to professional mental health care workers.

Altus, you're probably right about not offering her any free advertising, but on the other hand, if someone finds the information here (as opposed to some other public website), at least they'll also see it presented in a realistic light, so...
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If you do wish to link to someone questionable, use http://www.donotlink.com/ . They will still get the hits but at least being posted to a high traffic site like the JREF forums will not contribute toward their Google Ranking. In fact, if you can still edit your post, I would suggest that you edit your post to make the link you have look like the one I edited where I quote you above (where I link to http://www.donotlink.com/www.isst-d.org/default.asp?contentID=57 ) because, every time they are linked from JREF, ISSTD is given credibility (as far as the Google search engine is concerned) and nudged upwards in their search results.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
Can she really offer workshops that count toward the CE requirements of licensed mental health professionals? Who is the body that accredits such garbage?
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It's my understanding that each state has its own requirements with regard to CE credits. In CA, it's the Board of Behavioral Sciences that approved Survivorship's (hosted by Neil Brick) "webinars", for which attendees could get CECs. There's little to no accountability or oversight with regard to these things, and even filing a formal complaint seems to make no difference. (Not that I'm discouraging anyone from doing so - in fact, if you're so inclined, if more people are filing complaints the licensing boards may decide to take action)

cosmicaug, thanks so much for the http://www.donotlink.com/ suggestion. I think you may have even posted that here before, and it completely slipped my mind. I'll make sure I use it in the future if I'm linking to a questionable site.
 
Dismember said:
It's my understanding that each state has its own requirements with regard to CE credits. In CA, it's the Board of Behavioral Sciences that approved Survivorship's (hosted by Neil Brick) "webinars", for which attendees could get CECs. There's little to no accountability or oversight with regard to these things, and even filing a formal complaint seems to make no difference. (Not that I'm discouraging anyone from doing so - in fact, if you're so inclined, if more people are filing complaints the licensing boards may decide to take action)

cosmicaug, thanks so much for the http://www.donotlink.com/ suggestion. I think you may have even posted that here before, and it completely slipped my mind. I'll make sure I use it in the future if I'm linking to a questionable site.
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Bad science flourishes in an environment where real science has yet to make much progress...
 
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