Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[acbytesla]

The risks of staging sometime in the night are not the same as smashing a window during the dinner hour 8:45 with foot traffic The staging involved breaking the window from the inside with the shutters closed to the noise. The risk of not staging sometime in the night meant someone let Guede in with a key so the defendants had no choice. The choice of bedrooms excluded Amanda's or Meredith's for obvious reasons.

You're over thinking this. Burglaries happen at all hours of the day. But with no cars in the parking lot and no one answering the door, the house looks empty. Easy pickings at that moment. There is no real evidence of any kind of staging just speculation.

 

[Skind]

The upper window bars are actually a hindrance to the climb we saw on Channel 5. You obviously have not watched the whole piece.

Pretty much like all the pro-guilt people at websleuths.

 

[Briars]

Irrelevant.

The risks of smashing a window at 8:45 with imaginary foot traffic can be mitigated by smashing the window and then hiding in any one of the numerous hiding spot available to see if any one comes.

Whoever has said he ever "searched" Filomena's room? It was an entry point, not the object of the aborted burglary. He probably went straight to Laura's bathroom.

Amanda had alerted Filomena to the break in and everything thrown all over. She would know having helped wrap a gift and no doubt knew Filomena's habits.
Are you suggesting Guede didn't throw things around while looking for cash?

 

[Skind]

Throwing things around whilst searching is very tiring and noisy, as well as a disorganised searching technique.

Systematic searching is much better.

Having things 'thrown around' is a tell tale sign of staging btw. Real burglars avoid that. Real burglars tend to leave the scene looking much like Filomenas room looked like.

Stagers are inexpert burglars and rely on cultural depictions, which are usually of the room being dramatically trashed.

 

[Bill Williams]

Amanda had alerted Filomena to the break in and everything thrown all over. She would know having helped wrap a gift and no doubt knew Filomena's habits.
Are you suggesting Guede didn't throw things around while looking for cash?

What i am suggesting is that there is no evidence suggesting a staging... and Rudy's not talking, and has done very well by not talking.

What no one has other than assertions is evidence that there was no break in and no evidence of a staging. If you had any you'd show it rather than simply assert it.

 

[Briars]

Irrelevant.

The risks of smashing a window at 8:45 with imaginary foot traffic can be mitigated by smashing the window and then hiding in any one of the numerous hiding spot available to see if any one comes.

You're over thinking this. Burglaries happen at all hours of the day. But with no cars in the parking lot and no one answering the door, the house looks empty. Easy pickings at that moment. There is no real evidence of any kind of staging just speculation.

You are not addressing the possibility of being seen climbing by a passer by. As well a burglary is one thing but to taunt torture and move the victim takes the crime to a whole different level. The young man not only had no thought of being noticed he also had no worry that Amanda could walk in?




shortly after

 

[Grinder]

Does someone have a picture of the lawyer's office that Rudy stole the laptop from? I'm sure similar ridiculous arguments could also be made about the lawyer's office that was burglarized.

 

[codyjuneau]

When you stop and think about it, it's really quite extraordinary that the cops just shrugged-off the fact that Guede was intending to walk around with a large knife on him.

In fact, I recall that he actually told them that he took it because he was "afraid for his safety", IOW, he admitted he intended to use it as a weapon.

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What is the most remarkable to me is how some people who follow this case shrug off Rudy's very recent burglaries, and how closely his method of burglarizing matches the crime scene at Meredith's cottage, as if all that is irrelevant.

I understand the general public not getting this, because they barely know Rudy exists, thanks to mostly meek, inept, and/or toady and non existent investigative reporting by the media.
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[andreajo]

You are not addressing the possibility of being seen climbing by a passer by. As well a burglary is one thing but to taunt torture and move the victim takes the crime to a whole different level. The young man not only had no thought of being noticed he also had no worry that Amanda could walk in?

You are not addressing the possibility that Rudy Guede is a careless burglar. That maybe he gets off on risk. That he might have been high. There is nothing about the break-in that appears out of character from him based on his prior behavior. It fits.

 

[Briars]

Whoever has said he ever "searched" Filomena's room? It was an entry point, not the object of the aborted burglary. He probably went straight to Laura's bathroom.

You are saying here Guede did not search the room and throw things about. You suggest he went straight to the bathroom. Amanda said the room was trashed. I understand you need to fit all the his necessary actions in before Meredith's return by nine.

 

[Briars]

You are not addressing the possibility that Rudy Guede is a careless burglar. That maybe he gets off on risk. That he might have been high. There is nothing about the break-in that appears out of character from him based on his prior behavior. It fits.

Stealing might fit but torturing and murdering doesn't

 

[andreajo]

Stealing might fit but torturing and murdering doesn't

And yet his bloody palm print is on the pillow, and his DNA is on her bra and in or around her genitals in a big and unmistakeable way. This is apparently a new behavior for Rudy. We see that it must be so because of the physical evidence.

 

[acbytesla]

Amanda had alerted Filomena to the break in and everything thrown all over. She would know having helped wrap a gift and no doubt knew Filomena's habits.
Are you suggesting Guede didn't throw things around while looking for cash?

He didn't do that at the nursery. Did he?
Whoever burglarized Rudy's next door neighbor Madu Diaz's home on October 23 spent the time feasting in the kitchen. This is actually not uncommon among burglaries.

It is more than distinctly possible that Rudy entered the cottage through Filomena's room and then casually started to look around, then went and took his dump and then Meredith came home.

Police will tell you that there are different kind of burglars. There are casual burglars who actually will hang out while inside his victims residence. It's clear that Rudy did this at the nursery and probably was the person who broke into Mrs. Diaz's home and took her gold watch and set fire to her home.

Trying to GUESS what happened inside that cottage on November 1, 2007 is just that, GUESSING. You don't know, I don't know, no one knows but Rudy.

The big hole in your guessing is that Amanda and Raffale don't know Rudy. A couple of sentences between Amanda and Rudy while being surrounded by the guys downstairs hardly qualifies as developing any kind of relationship. Would you really commit a murder with someone you just met and hardly can communicate with? I doubt it. Why would you think Amanda would do this?
Don't you think that would be monumentally stupid? And while you might not think that Amanda is the smartest person, I doubt you actually believe that she is stupid.

 

[davefoc]

I realize the topic has moved on from here but I would like to add another point about pedestrian traffic on San Antonio. Pedestrians exiting from the car park both from the lower and upper park are directly across from the cottage gate. It is a strategic point to cross and enter the park .Further along either way there is no shoulder and crossing the winding road is difficult. Filomena's window is visible from the gate. This choice for a break-in around 8:40 makes no sense. Rudy would have no idea who was going to exit the car park heading into town precisely as he smashed the window or was making one or two climbs. People crossing the road would look in either direction it is a dangerous stretch,the white wall of the cottage stands out even at night. Rudy had no way of timing his climb and be certain no one leaving or returning to the garage could see him.

Have you considered that if you were right that the broken window is not where a non-burglar such as yourself would have chosen to enter the residence then the non-burglars AK & RS would have made a similar judgment and chosen some place else to stage a break-in? Why would they choose this window to stage a break-in if it was so supposedly inappropriate for a break-in as judged by the non-burglar, briars? They would have had to have made a guess that somebody could even climb in the window. Why not stage a break-in through the patio window or some other window that would strike briars and presumably themselves as more logical?

Your argument, that it was an unlikely location for Guede, an individual known to have made a similar break-in is unlikely to be right to say the least. But even if you were right that it would be an unlikely selection for Guede it would be an even more unlikely window for AK & RS to chose.

 

[Grinder]

The upper window bars are actually a hindrance to the climb we saw on Channel 5. You obviously have not watched the whole piece.

Just rewatched it and the bars on the upper window are definitely a help.

The climber stands on the bottom of the lower window and reaches the upper window sill moves his feet to the top of the lower window and then pulls himself up using the upper window bars.

The biggest thing the video shows is that he can reach the sill from the bottom of the lower window. Assuming F lied about closing the shutters Rudy would be able to reach the sill easily and then would have needed to unlatch the window which might require some time and effort. With gloves on he would avoid cuts and if leather no much in the way of material left behind.

The climb and entry would not have been as easy as portrayed but clearly possible.

 

[Supernaut]

No one has demonstrated how anyone could get in through the broken broken glass opening without leaving a fibre or speck of dirt anywhere.The only clue was Amanda's DNA mixed with the victim's blood. I'm not the dense one here.

This, of course, is a gratuitous and clumsy attempt on your part to bamboozle 'the gallery' .

The purpose of breaking the window was to allow him to reach inside and open it. Duh.

Next.

 

[Bill Williams]

You are not addressing the possibility of being seen climbing by a passer by. As well a burglary is one thing but to taunt torture and move the victim takes the crime to a whole different level. The young man not only had no thought of being noticed he also had no worry that Amanda could walk in?




shortly after

There's always a possibility of being spotted. The issue is choosing and entry where you can do something about it. Filomena's window affords the immediate solution of jumping down into darkness and seclusion. For tje balcony there's no place to go. The balcony is wide open to the road and illuminated by a street light.

What do you think about Mignini facing abuse of office trial in January.

 

[Supernaut]

Just rewatched it and the bars on the upper window are definitely a help.

The climber stands on the bottom of the lower window and reaches the upper window sill moves his feet to the top of the lower window and then pulls himself up using the upper window bars.

BS. This has been gone through before.

The bars impede placing the forearms/elbows on the ledge for the final stage of the climb.

In the video the climber ascends both with (1st time) and without using the bars as a handhold.

<shakes head>

 

[Supernaut]

Just rewatched it and the bars on the upper window are definitely a help.

The climber stands on the bottom of the lower window and reaches the upper window sill moves his feet to the top of the lower window and then pulls himself up using the upper window bars.

The biggest thing the video shows is that he can reach the sill from the bottom of the lower window. Assuming F lied about closing the shutters Rudy would be able to reach the sill easily and then would have needed to unlatch the window which might require some time and effort. With gloves on he would avoid cuts and if leather no much in the way of material left behind.

The climb and entry would not have been as easy as portrayed but clearly possible.

BS. It was (to use Brit colloquialism) a piece of piss.

 

[Supernaut]

I guess some us climbed trees and what-not in our mis-spent youth, and others didn't, looking on at our dare-devilry.