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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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How does any of that prove MMR causes Autism and Asthma?

How does that prove vaccinations are having an impact on evolution?

How does that show US children have a US specific form of Autism?
 
Clayton Moore said:
http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/truth-in-media-vaccine-court-and-autism/67463
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From Clayton Moore's 32 questions ignored for 273 days!
Clayton Moore: Cite the studies showing the links between the MMR jab and autism.
First asked 4 March 2013 - 273 days and counting!
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Clayton Moore, Have you any idea what a citation to the scientific literature is?
Your continued citations of crank web sites says no!
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The cases in the vaccine court established by the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act are not scientific studies.
Spreading the lies about vaccination and autism on that web page is not good idea, Clayton Moore :jaw-dropp!

http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/truth-in-media-vaccine-court-and-autism/67463
the federal government has quietly awarded families of autistic children damages as a result of vaccine injuries.
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Since that time, despite the official ruling that there is no link between vaccines and autism, there have been at least 83 cases of autism among those compensated for vaccine-induced brain damage.
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is a lie. The vaccine court has never ordered compensation for a case of autism.

Vaccine court
From 1988 until 8 January 2008, 5,263 claims relating to autism, and 2,865 non-autism claims, were made to the VICP. 925 of these claims, one autism-related (see previous rulings), were compensated, with 1,158 non-autism and 350 autism claims dismissed; awards (including attorney's fees) totaled $847 million.[6]
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In 2008 the federal government agreed to award damages to the family of Hannah Poling, a girl who developed autistic-like symptoms after receiving a series of vaccines in a single day.[12] The vaccines given were DTaP, Hib, MMR, varicella, and inactivated polio. Poling was diagnosed months later with encephalopathy (brain disease) caused by a mitochondrial enzyme deficit, a mitochondrial disorder; it is not unusual for children with such deficits to develop neurologic signs between their first and second years.[11]
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(my emphasis added)

P.S.
Anecdotes are not evidence, Clayton Moore (think about the millions of unreported anecdotes by parents whose children do not have autism!).
A retracted study is not evidence.
Ignoring the evidence that the vaccines have no significant relationship to autism is not evidence.
Irrelevant YouTube videos are not evidence.
 
If you read the table you'll see what it covers. What it doesn't cover, obviously, is claims of vaccine-induced autism. That's what the article is complaining about. It also says Jenny McCarthy thinks autism isn't caused by vaccines, so I'm not going to bother fact-finding any more on this one.
 
Blog article from Respectful Insolence: A rebuke to the antivaccine movement: A hundred million cases of disease prevented and millions of lives saved by vaccines
Over the Thanksgiving long weekend here in the US, there appeared a study that simply emphasizes once again that vaccines work. More importantly, it estimates how well they work. I’ve frequently said that vaccines are the medical intervention that have saved more lives than any other, and this study by investigators at the University of Pittsburgh’s graduate school of public health, published on Thanksgiving Day in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) and showing up on the news the day before provides yet more evidence to support my assertion.
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Bingowings said:
If you read the table you'll see what it covers.
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That is the table used for the "on table" claims which are basically automatically granted compensation. The autism (and other) claims are "off table". The article is about the complaints of Mark Blaxill: "Blaxill is part of a group called the Canary Party, a coalition of parents who are pushing for changes to the system through political means". The Canary Party want autism to be placed "on table" despite the scientific evidence that vaccines do not cause autism. Blaxill expresses some paranoia and ignorance -
the imaginary "83 cases of autism" compensated,
the accusations of a cover up,
the inability to understand that hearing each of the 5000 autism petitions placed in 2002 would be ridiculous,
the implication that the special masters in the Omnibus Autism Proceeding somehow selected the weakest test cases to base their decisions on (and that the lawyers allowed this) :eek:!
 
Bingowings said:
If you read the table you'll see what it covers. What it doesn't cover, obviously, is claims of vaccine-induced autism. That's what the article is complaining about. It also says Jenny McCarthy thinks autism isn't caused by vaccines, so I'm not going to bother fact-finding any more on this one.
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The claims that autism is caused by vaccines have been completely disproven, right? We have all heard that claim, maybe most famously by actress and model Jenny McCarthy.
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If someone can't comprehend maybe they should recuse themselves.
 
clayton

the evidence that MMR causes autism - none so far
the evidence that vaccines cause asthma - none so far
the evidence that vaccines are impacting on evolution - none so far
the evidence that US children have a specific US version of Autism - none so far
 
Dcdrac said:
clayton

the evidence that MMR causes autism - none so far
the evidence that vaccines cause asthma - none so far
the evidence that vaccines are impacting on evolution - none so far
the evidence that US children have a specific US version of Autism - none so far
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Probably the greatest proof that vaccines cause autism and a plethora of chronic unexplained maladies is that y'all blather there is no proof.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Probably the greatest proof that vaccines cause autism and a plethora of chronic unexplained maladies is that y'all blather there is no proof.
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clayton that is not evidence so


the evidence that MMR causes autism - none so far
the evidence that vaccines cause asthma - none so far
the evidence that vaccines are impacting on evolution - none so far
the evidence that US children have a specific US version of Autism - none so far
 
Clayton Moore said:
Probably the greatest proof that vaccines cause autism and a plethora of chronic unexplained maladies is that y'all blather there is no proof.
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Perhaps the greatest proof that gibberish exists in the world is that statement, Clayton Moore :rolleyes:!

Seriously though, the best proof in this thread that vaccines do not cause autism or a plethora of chronic unexplained maladies is your inability to produce any evidence that they do this, Clayton Moore:
Clayton Moore: Cite the studies showing the links between the MMR jab and autism.
First asked 4 March 2013 - 273 days and counting!
Clayton Moore, Please cite the scientific evidence for levels of carcinogens in vaccines enough to affect the vaccinated.
First asked 8 April 2013 - many days and counting
Clayton Moore, Cite your evidence that vaccines cause allergies.
First asked 10 April 2013 - many days and counting
Clayton Moore, Cite your evidence that vaccines cause cancer.
First asked 10 April 2013 - many days and counting
Clayton Moore, Cite your evidence that vaccines cause MS.
First asked 10 April 2013 - many days and counting
Clayton Moore, Cite the evidence that Al in vaccines increases Alzheimer’s Disease
First asked 14 June 2013 - many days and counting

The actual evidence that vaccines do not cause autism is the scientific papers that show that they do not, e.g. from 2002: A Population-Based Study of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination and Autism studied 537,303 Danish children.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Probably the greatest proof that vaccines cause autism and a plethora of chronic unexplained maladies is that y'all blather there is no proof.
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I see that you have decided to implement the "vaccine in the gaps" argument.

Or, continue to, as the case may be.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Probably the greatest proof that vaccines cause autism and a plethora of chronic unexplained maladies is that y'all blather there is no proof.
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And before vaccinations, what was the occurrence of chronic unexplained maladies?

You know, like polio, small pox, measles, tuberculosis, rubella, etc...?
:rolleyes:
 
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Robrob said:
And before vaccinations, what was the occurrence of chronic unexplained maladies?

You know, like polio, small pox, measles, tuberculosis, rubella, etc...?
:rolleyes:
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in claytons world they were helping to improve the gene pool by killing people
 
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