Nailed: Ten Christian Myths that show Jesus never existed

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marplots said:
You agnostics. Pfft. When will you embrace the true light of atheism? I shall not-pray with you in mind, hoping that the random forces of a chaotic universe will set you straight. :D
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Agnostics are the only true non-religious. :D
 
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tsig said:
Assuming that the stories of Jesus were told by eyewitness of Jesus begs the question of his existence.
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By using the analogy of witnesses to a crime, I wasn't implying that the gospels and letters were written by eye-witnesses - now that is a fundie myth, isn't it? Actually, that's cited as myth no 4 in the OP, which also strikes me as bizarre - which historians use that argument to argue for HJ?

Surely, that is an argument against Christianity, but not against HJ. I think some scholars use multi-attestation as a kind of criterion, but not from eye-witnesses.
 
zugzwang said:
By using the analogy of witnesses to a crime, I wasn't implying that the gospels and letters were written by eye-witnesses - now that is a fundie myth, isn't it? Actually, that's cited as myth no 4 in the OP, which also strikes me as bizarre - which historians use that argument to argue for HJ?

Surely, that is an argument against Christianity, but not against HJ. I think some scholars use multi-attestation as a kind of criterion, but not from eye-witnesses.
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Multi-attestation in the BIBLE is worthless for the history of Jesus.

It is multi-attested that Jesus walked on the sea. The author of gJohn measured the distance or was told that it was 30 furlongs--about 3.66 miles.

The Bible is multi-attested fiction.

John 6:19 KJV
So when they had rowed about five and twenty or thirty furlongs, they see Jesus walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship: and they were afraid .
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It is completely frightening when people advocate multi-attestation in the Bible for reliable historical accounts of Jesus of Nazareth.
 
dejudge said:
... It is completely frightening when people advocate multi-attestation in the Bible for reliable historical accounts of Jesus of Nazareth.
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That's terrible. There's a word for "fear of spiders" - "arachnophobia". Can anyone tell me if there's a word for "fear of people advocating multi-attestation in the bible for reliable historical accounts of Jesus of Nazareth"? Anyway dejudge, you've got it. And I'll try and look up a cure on the internet.
 
Craig B said:
That circumstance, of which I am very mindful, makes it even worse for Paul. He is concerned to establish that his visionary relationship with Jesus is the best kind that can be had, so why does he ascribe a prior such exalted vision to James and Peter? Thus, he didn't invent these people.
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Which "people"? You are talking about a supernatural vision of a risen OT messiah prophesised from at least 500BC (if not 1000BC).
 
Craig B said:
That's terrible. There's a word for "fear of spiders" - "arachnophobia". Can anyone tell me if there's a word for "fear of people advocating multi-attestation in the bible for reliable historical accounts of Jesus of Nazareth"? Anyway dejudge, you've got it. And I'll try and look up a cure on the internet.
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It is very sad that another forum member should be in such fear. I was thinking maybe a group hug might help, but then possibly that might make dejudge even more frightened, even though it would only be a virtual hug.

I have friends who found therapy or counselling very helpful with extreme bouts of fear; there is of course, alcohol, but then, that can make it worse.

I think we will just have to hope that it passes soon, and dejudge returns to his normal calm and serene self. Here's hoping!

And perhaps we could all think of dejudge, and sort of say 'multi-attestation' under our breath. Oops, I just said it, sorry.
 
IanS said:
Which "people"? You are talking about a supernatural vision of a risen OT messiah prophesised from at least 500BC (if not 1000BC).
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A supernatural messiah who is risen after he croaks in 1000 BC? Help me out with this one. What did King David say when he met the guy? The Torah is nothing like as old as that, and it not merely says nothing about a messiah rising after death; it says nothing about anyone rising again after death.
 
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Craig B said:
That's terrible. There's a word for "fear of spiders" - "arachnophobia". Can anyone tell me if there's a word for "fear of people advocating multi-attestation in the bible for reliable historical accounts of Jesus of Nazareth"? Anyway dejudge, you've got it. And I'll try and look up a cure on the internet.
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The Bible will destroy those who have faith in it.
 
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dejudge said:
... It is completely frightening when people advocate multi-attestation in the Bible for reliable historical accounts of Jesus of Nazareth.
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That's terrible. There's a word for "fear of spiders" - "arachnophobia". Can anyone tell me if there's a word for "fear of people advocating multi-attestation in the bible for reliable historical accounts of Jesus of Nazareth"? Anyway dejudge, you've got it. And I'll try and look up a cure on the internet.
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It would be possible to invent a word for it, but it would be a jawbreaker that you'd have to speak German to love.

dejudge, could you please explain to us why you consider it so frightening when people claim that the Gospels are independent, reliable documentaries? I think that that's a hokey proposition, comparable to considering Parson Weems a good historian, but a frightening one?
 
Gawdzilla said:
You said telling them was seemed confrontational. That means I should have lied. You're free to retrofit any other meaning to that as you wish, of course.
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How do you figure that? You have not told the story therefore there is no way I could surmise it was actually confrontational. That's why I said "seems".

You then jump ahead and assumed I had made some implication. Seems you know what I'm thinking, maybe you could score the million Randy has to offer. :)

ETA: This is all I had.

Gawdzilla said:
If you had addressed that to me I could say "yes" without any hesitation.
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DGM said:
They believe in a religion just to annoy you?

What did you ever do to them? That would have to be the worse reason to "find God". :confused:
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Gawdzilla said:
I told them I was an atheist. Since then they've been suggesting I should hurry up and die so I can I'm wrong. And they've offered to help expedite that.
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DGM said:
That's not being religious just to annoy you. If they became religious because of your comment then, yes.

Why did you feel the need to tell (obviously) religious people that you are an atheist? Sounds confrontational to me?
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DGM said:
Why did you feel the need to tell (obviously) religious people that you are an atheist? Sounds confrontational to me?
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Maybe because they asked? Because it came up in a conversation, say, when they asked you to join them to go to church?

And what's confrontational about giving just a straight answer and tell the truth?
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I liked the implication that I should have lied to them.
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Yes, that implication was very obvious.

FWIW, I have no such problem, my whole family is atheist. But whenever I read such stories, I cannot be but amazed how "Christians" can behave in such a manner.
 
dejudge said:
Multi-attestation in the BIBLE is worthless for the history of Jesus.
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You could argue that (1) the synoptics, (2) gJohn, (3) Paul are three independent accounts.

dejudge said:
It is completely frightening when people advocate multi-attestation in the Bible for reliable historical accounts of Jesus of Nazareth.
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You mean like Bart Ehrman did in his latest book, when he did the miraculous multiplication of independent attestation, by claiming the following
1. gMark
2. Q
3. the material unique to Matthew
4. gMatthew
5. the material unique to Luke
6. gLuke
 
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