Merged New telepathy test: which number did I write ?

[Agatha]

If you get the chance, ask James Randi if it has been proven that Telepathy does not exist.

I am sure, were he to be asked, James Randi would mention the inherent unlikelihood of being able to prove that something doesn't exist, and that the null hypothesis is that telepathy does not exist. It would be incumbent on the claimant to show evidence for telepathy, not on sceptics to show that it doesn't.

In all the properly constructed tests, including those for the MDC, no evidence for telepathy has been found.

I am one of those who has urged Michel to see his doctors. I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV. I am simply concerned for his well-being, and I am sure that the others here who have suggested he should explain to his doctor that he hears hostile voices are similarly concerned. One does not have to be a doctor to have compassion for a person who admits to a worrying symptom.

 

[TheSapient]

For what it is worth, there IS a JREF thread about Matt Blaze's decrypting of Randi's clue. It even has this post in it.

Unfortunately for him, whether he is correct about the contents or not, he has not applied for the challenge and therefore Randi does not owe him anything.

Unsurprisingly, Dan O completely misunderstood the discussion.

 

[dafydd]

For what it is worth, there IS a JREF thread about Matt Blaze's decrypting of Randi's clue. It even has this post in it.



Unsurprisingly, Dan O completely misunderstood the discussion.

Perhaps he has forgotten the meanings of some of the words in the discussion. He says himself that he has a terrible memory.

 

[Iamme]

We have to accept others delusions without a murmur?

Only if it has to do with flying pink unicorns.....maybe Bigfoot. With powers of the mind it is said we know so little of it and use so little of it, supposedly...although my eyes sometimes water when thinking deep thoughts, and i wonder how much more i can think before my brain starts smoking. Anyway, years back when i was an early member and we were debaing psychic medium John Edward(no s), and Brain Hurts(aka Brian Hurst from Great Britain) and Sylvia Browne...we were also debating ``the N`kisi Project``(A good google if bored. You can move up on the entertainment ladder from ``Miketheheadlesschicken``...another debated subject here, back then...to this parrot) about the African gray parrot with ESP/telepathy. Science fiction often becomes reality in the future. Science fiction includes such things as time travel, teleportation and...telepathy. (Did Spock have telepathy, i cant remember). Anyway, i think i`d rule out a Bigfoot before telepathy. I mean, we have radio waves that you cant see. People have heard radio stations thru their teeth fillings? Stories like that are both good for a laugh. But then you also go...``Really????`` lol

 

[Dan O.]

I am sure, were he to be asked, James Randi would mention the inherent unlikelihood of being able to prove that something doesn't exist, and that the null hypothesis is that telepathy does not exist. It would be incumbent on the claimant to show evidence for telepathy, not on sceptics to show that it doesn't.

I mentioned that because I came across a video where the interviewer ask him something about how long he/his foundation has been debunking psychics. JR was adamant that he does not set out to debunk that paranormal, he investigates paranormal claims. It's all in the mind set. If you think you are debunking then you have already closed your mind to the possibility. It seems to be a message that most of his followers have not gotten.

In all the properly constructed tests, including those for the MDC, no evidence for telepathy has been found.

This is true. But they could run 100 times as many tests and still not prove that it doesn't exist.

I am one of those who has urged Michel to see his doctors. I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV. I am simply concerned for his well-being, and I am sure that the others here who have suggested he should explain to his doctor that he hears hostile voices are similarly concerned. One does not have to be a doctor to have compassion for a person who admits to a worrying symptom.

But have you paid attention to the information that Michel has provided? He has been seeing doctors. The doctors that he has seen either don't understand what he is experiencing or are unable to communicate with him in a meaningful way.

I have posted links that show the medical community has developed a new understanding of what hearing voices is and that it isn't some horrid disease that has to be medicated. If Michel finds these voices disturbing, distracting or is otherwise concerned, he needs to talk to people with whom he can develop a trust relationship that have experience and/or knowledge about this condition. The support groups referenced in those links may be a place to start. His GP may be able to help him find a group that he will fit with. Just telling him to go see a doctor is going to be about as effective as telling a teenager to get a job.

 

[dafydd]

Only if it has to do with flying pink unicorns.....maybe Bigfoot. With powers of the mind it is said we know so little of it and use so little of it, supposedly...although my eyes sometimes water when thinking deep thoughts, and i wonder how much more i can think before my brain starts smoking. Anyway, years back when i was an early member and we were debaing psychic medium John Edward(no s), and Brain Hurts(aka Brian Hurst from Great Britain) and Sylvia Browne...we were also debating ``the N`kisi Project``(A good google if bored. You can move up on the entertainment ladder from ``Miketheheadlesschicken``...another debated subject here, back then...to this parrot) about the African gray parrot with ESP/telepathy. Science fiction often becomes reality in the future. Science fiction includes such things as time travel, teleportation and...telepathy. (Did Spock have telepathy, i cant remember). Anyway, i think i`d rule out a Bigfoot before telepathy. I mean, we have radio waves that you cant see. People have heard radio stations thru their teeth fillings? Stories like that are both good for a laugh. But then you also go...``Really????`` lol

Allow me to remind you that every time telepathy is subjected to a real test, it fails. Has the telepathic parrot been tested? How did they do that? How did the parrot convey its answers to the investigators? How did the investigators question the parrot? ''Ok Polly, one squawk for yes, two for no''. Was the test conducted in English? Which language did the parrot speak? John Edward is not psychic. He is a charlatan and a con man

 

[Iamme]

Allow me to remind you that every time telepathy is subjected to a real test, it fails. Has the telepathic parrot been tested? How did they do that? How did the parrot convey its answers to the investigators? How did the investigators question the parrot? ''Ok Polly, one squawk for yes, two for no''. Was the test conducted in English? Which language did the parrot speak? John Edward is not psychic. He is a charlatan and a con man

I cant recall about any conclusions regarding the parrot..that is, even if there were any definitive conclusions. All i remember is it was a fun topic. So was John Edward. ``Who has the C?``

 

[Rasmus]

Probably by accident.

No.

If I can do something right by chance one time in a million, and my magic ability allows me to get it right 6 times in 5 million, then I am not going to find it out by chance: I wouldn't be trying to do the thing 6 million times, and if I did, I wouldn't keep count. (And then, to have a significant result, I'd have to do it far more often, anyway.)

Someone, like a friend?, came up to Michel one day and said, `` Why do you suppose i kept thinking about 3 things i had to do today? And i kept telling myself not to forget that there isnt 1, not 2, but...*3* things?`` And Michel goes, ``Well?...oddly to say the least, i been thinking of 3 things today also. If there is a Father, Son and Holy Ghost. 3. There you go. I wonder if maybe i got you to thinking about a 3 number?`` And that`s how it maybe got started. : wink: (Unless someone of course can one ups me on a better theory)

what?

No, that is one occurrence of something. It doesn't tell us anything.

 

[dafydd]

I cant recall about any conclusions regarding the parrot..that is, even if there were any definitive conclusions. All i remember is it was a fun topic. So was John Edward. ``Who has the C?``

The C? Non comprehendo. The conclusion would have been that the parrot was not telepathic. You can bet on that.

 

[dafydd]

Only if it has to do with flying pink unicorns.....maybe Bigfoot. With powers of the mind it is said we know so little of it and use so little of it, supposedly...although my eyes sometimes water when thinking deep thoughts, and i wonder how much more i can think before my brain starts smoking. Anyway, years back when i was an early member and we were debaing psychic medium John Edward(no s), and Brain Hurts(aka Brian Hurst from Great Britain) and Sylvia Browne...we were also debating ``the N`kisi Project``(A good google if bored. You can move up on the entertainment ladder from ``Miketheheadlesschicken``...another debated subject here, back then...to this parrot) about the African gray parrot with ESP/telepathy. Science fiction often becomes reality in the future. Science fiction includes such things as time travel, teleportation and...telepathy. (Did Spock have telepathy, i cant remember). Anyway, i think i`d rule out a Bigfoot before telepathy. I mean, we have radio waves that you cant see. People have heard radio stations thru their teeth fillings? Stories like that are both good for a laugh. But then you also go...``Really????`` lol

Have you ever heard of orthography? Apart from what you post it's hard to take you seriously when your posts are such a mess. Try to organize your ideas. You jump from one topic to another in mid-sentence.

 

[Iamme]

The C? Non comprehendo. The conclusion would have been that the parrot was not telepathic. You can bet on that.

Sorry about that. John Edward would open up his reading with vague stuff like that. Then the sitter would say they have a 2nd cousin named Charlie. Then John, to act legitimate would NOT always agree, so he`d say that not it, then the sitter might say, ``Oh, my husband had a charlie horse last night.`` Yep, that was it. Their dead relative knew that. Lol. I loved watching that tv show...then discussing it here. You can read about the parrot on Google and i dont know if JREF archives go back to 8 or 10 years ago or not.

 

[dafydd]

Sorry about that. John Edward would open up his reading with vague stuff like that. Then the sitter would say they have a 2nd cousin named Charlie. Then John, to act legitimate would NOT always agree, so he`d say that not it, then the sitter might say, ``Oh, my husband had a charlie horse last night.`` Yep, that was it. Their dead relative knew that. Lol. I loved watching that tv show...then discussing it here. You can read about the parrot on Google and i dont know if JREF archives go back to 8 or 10 years ago or not.

Why did you call JE a psychic medium? What is a charlie horse? I'm not interested in the parrot. Life is too short to waste time reading about telepathic parrots. The best place for parrots is in a Monty Python sketch.

 

[Iamme]

Have you ever heard of orthography? Apart from what you post it's hard to take you seriously when your posts are such a mess. Try to organize your ideas. You jump from one topic to another in mid-sentence.

Sorry. Like an ADD issue. That`s what enables me to fix my car one minute, a fridge the next, a dishwasher, and a furnace the next. And then build a house. Lol.

 

[Iamme]

Daffyd, i had to look up that word. At first i thought it might be ornopathy, or something like that...bird related. Rather, i find myself under attack as a ...bird brain perhaps. Personal attacks is something i stay away from.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Why did you call JE a psychic medium? What is a charlie horse? I'm not interested in the parrot. Life is too short to waste time reading about telepathic parrots. The best place for parrots is in a Monty Python sketch.

This parrot? No this parrot is quite dead.

 

[Iamme]

Why did you call JE a psychic medium? What is a charlie horse? I'm not interested in the parrot. Life is too short to waste time reading about telepathic parrots. The best place for parrots is in a Monty Python sketch.

Because John Edward`s title is that of psychic medium. A charlie horse is a pathological condition caused often by lack of enough electrolytes/fluids causing a muscle to cramp into a rock hard mass that hurts like the devil. Usually affects the calf of the leg. You can get similar in the bottom of your foot as well. Never had one?

 

[bruto]

Why did you call JE a psychic medium? What is a charlie horse? I'm not interested in the parrot. Life is too short to waste time reading about telepathic parrots. The best place for parrots is in a Monty Python sketch.

Daffyd, I'm a bit mystified by your responses here. It looks to me as if Iamme has been doing a pretty amusing job of characterizing John Edward as a laughable fraud. Perhaps that's not strictly relevant to the subject of the thread, but I'm not sure it warrants quite such ill tempered riposte.

 

[Femke]

Daffyd, i had to look up that word. At first i thought it might be ornopathy, or something like that...bird related. Rather, i find myself under attack as a ...bird brain perhaps. Personal attacks is something i stay away from.

Iamme, please don't see this remark as a personal attack. Your style of writing is quite difficult to follow, with unfamiliar punctuation, very long paragraphs and sudden changes of subject within a sentence. Dafydd was merely asking you to realise that.
Orthograpy just means 'writing correctly'.

 

[TheSapient]

We've gone from Michel's odd test to his hearing voices to Dan's trolling to Iamme's writing style. Is this topic dead?

 

[Iamme]

^^Not if i can help it! Telepathy might be real! We gotta find out! Some consultations with Yogi gurus might be in order. (Or perhaps the person i cite below).

Remember, the mind is a powerful and mysterious thing. If a person somehow possesses some capability to have electrical current flow between certain neurotransmitters, maybe their brain turns into a radio transmitter and receiver. Silly? Maybe. Maybe not.
For a while there, i was repeatedly turning off street lights when i got near or under them. For some reason, it ceased. I figured God was trying to awaken me to new horizons and gave up. So then instead, i been forced to stop for red lights like 80% of the time.
The bottom line is....there are unseen forces out there. Some outside of us, but some might be within our own brain.
Tapping into my memory, it is coming back to me. I believe it was a Dr. Rupert Sheldrake at the University of Arizona that was affiliated with either the N`kisi project and or dogs and telepathy.
Wouldnt you say that some Ph.D. in the sciences would simply brush such a subject off as rubbish? Why didnt he? Is he a stupid Ph.D.? Gullible? Hopeful to be the first one ever to prove a woo? If you are bored, google him and his research and authorship.