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9/11 No Planers who claim no planes struck the WTC, and think all the video is fake

Obscure video, nothing to talk about. Best to start with something that is clearly visible to avoid going in circles for wrong reasons.

We are in actuality talking about fully framed structure. I don't know why you insist that your plane encountered nothing else. The whole tower would push against a plane with full force. There was no room for a plane there. It couldn't go in. Theoretically, it would take massive energy of the Boeing size at incredible speed to go right across or collapse the top. Nothing of the size could just get in and kind of curve a hollow imprint inside.

I hate to break this to you but in reality planes do not bounce off buildings, that only happens in cartoons. No room for a plane in a huge building? You really haven't thought this through. You say theoretically but provide no maths or physics to back that up. Still, you're amusing yourself and it keeps you off the streets.
 
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Obscure video, nothing to talk about. Best to start with something that is clearly visible to avoid going in circles for wrong reasons.

We are in actuality talking about fully framed structure. I don't know why you insist that your plane encountered nothing else. The whole tower would push against a plane with full force. There was no room for a plane there. It couldn't go in. Theoretically, it would take massive energy of the Boeing size at incredible speed to go right across or collapse the top. Nothing of the size could just get in and kind of curve a hollow imprint inside.

Why are you making a game out of this topic? It's obvious that you aren't putting any effort into this. Are you amused that so many people died on 9/11? Do you really feel like you are showing this topic the respect it deserves with your behavior? Have you ever lost someone in a traumatic circumstance?
 
I have no idea what this means. Something about a helpless clown, which seems perhaps justified but I can't parse the rest.

However you said you were keen to research 9/11 eyewitnesses, to see if they stood up to your scrutiny. Have you tried Googling "9/11 eyewitness testimonies"? There is really no shortage. People with names and everything. You could have all the research material you want. I'm surprised you didn't think of it already.
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That's too haaaaaaaaaaaaard! Gollee!
 
What about the Empire State Building plane crash in the 1940's? A plane entered a 'dense' steel structure. Or was that a practice run for 911 and the evil guv'ment fixed all the press cameras? One of the engines went straight through the building and crashed into the building next door. Are you going to say that this crash was a fake too?

http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
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I saw that hole the day after, visiting an aunt who lived a couple blocks from there.
In the days before CGI... shoot, even before C, it was nicely three dimensional seen from the street!
 
Obscure video, nothing to talk about. Best to start with something that is clearly visible to avoid going in circles for wrong reasons.

We are in actuality talking about fully framed structure. I don't know why you insist that your plane encountered nothing else. The whole tower would push against a plane with full force. There was no room for a plane there. It couldn't go in. Theoretically, it would take massive energy of the Boeing size at incredible speed to go right across or collapse the top. Nothing of the size could just get in and kind of curve a hollow imprint inside.

As my 17yo daughter would say, "Well, DUH!!!" Do you have any idea of the force generated by a jetliner weighing 395,000lbs traveling at 500mph?

Did you think it would just accordian up against the wall and fall to the ground?

Do you think?
 
No, it doesn't. The point you are attempting to make is, the plane(s) lack the mass and physical properties to penetrate/breach the outside structure/skin of the WTC Towers.

Tell me how the pumpkin penetrating both side of a fiberglass boat is not a valid?

Use your science words. (physics)

How about a piano
http://science.discovery.com/tv-shows/punkin-chunkin/videos/piano-gets-pummeled.htm

Mikeys has no "science words", or at least none he can string together in a form that makes any sense.

There are numerous examples of pumpkins, a large , hollow, and squishy vegetable, being flung at a couple hundred MPH at various objects and penetrating them.
Water jets are used to cut steel,
Lead bullets travel through concrete blocks and sheets of steel.
My friend had a CO2 driven pellet pistol that would punch its lead pellet through a 45 gallon drum despite its muzzle velocity being subsonic.

Yet Mikeys, the science illiterate that he is, proclaims that a largely aluminum aircraft weighing 100+ tons and travelling at 500 MPH would not be able to penetrate a steel framed building. He cannot tell us why but he says its so because others with equal misunderstanding of physics told him so..
 
As my 17yo daughter would say, "Well, DUH!!!" Do you have any idea of the force generated by a jetliner weighing 395,000lbs traveling at 500mph?

Did you think it would just accordian up against the wall and fall to the ground?

Do you think?

Look at these two pics. You have a top view of a floor platform partially filled with concrete and a plane impact elevation. Sorry no sunset. How will you hide a whole plane inside that?
http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/images/photoalbum/10/WTCdesign.jpg

http://www.911hoax.com/WTC_1_front.jpg

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Look at these two pics. You have a top view of a floor platform partially filled with concrete and a plane impact elevation. Sorry no sunset. How will you hide a whole plane inside that?
http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/images/photoalbum/10/WTCdesign.jpg
http://www.911hoax.com/WTC_1_front.jpg

I'm trying to makes sense of your question. The plane had enough weight, mass combined with the speed it was traveling...it crashed INTO the WTC. It didn't penetrate the skin of the building completely intact....so, I'm not understanding your claim "hide a whole plane inside"?

Also, you need to adddress the issue of, if not a plane how the crash image of a plane was left on the face of the building, complete with bend in steel beams.

Can you see how the "no-planes" ******** is just that?

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Yet Mikeys, the science illiterate that he is, proclaims that a largely aluminum aircraft weighing 100+ tons and travelling at 500 MPH would not be able to penetrate a steel framed building. He cannot tell us why but he says its so because others with equal misunderstanding of physics told him so..

Actually I noticed it myself soon after started researching a year or so ago so not everything parroting. Nobody seemed to have talked about it while I find it to be the most obvious evidence. I heard it on Fetzer recently. The guy is good. He fights like a lion to the last.

No bullets, no pumpkins. You have a frame structure just like the one on the photo above and try making a hole in it with a plane like object. Lock the ratios to reflect reality.
 
No bullets, no pumpkins. You have a frame structure just like the one on the photo above and try making a hole in it with a plane like object. Lock the ratios to reflect reality.
And you have airplanes as the only explanation. Do you have any other explanation for what is seen?

Funny how you ignore this to get the attention you desire.
 
I'm trying to makes sense of your question. The plane had enough weight, mass combined with the speed it was traveling...it crashed INTO the WTC. It didn't penetrate the skin of the building completely intact....
Fake videos countered by fake witnesses highlight fake physics. Why not. It's a non sequitur as far I am concerned but fun still.

Also, you need to adddress the issue of, if not a plane how the crash image of a plane was left on the face of the building, complete with bend in steel beams.
I guess you mean columns, which is also non sequitur to the topic at hand. The walls alone could most likely give in. You can remove them if they bother you.
 
Look at these two pics. You have a top view of a floor platform partially filled with concrete and a plane impact elevation. Sorry no sunset. How will you hide a whole plane inside that?
http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/images/photoalbum/10/WTCdesign.jpg
[qimg]http://www.911hoax.com/WTC_1_front.jpg[/qimg]

I'm trying to makes sense of your question. The plane had enough weight, mass combined with the speed it was traveling...it crashed INTO the WTC. It didn't penetrate the skin of the building completely intact....so, I'm not understanding your claim "hide a whole plane inside"?

Also, you need to adddress the issue of, if not a plane how the crash image of a plane was left on the face of the building, complete with bend in steel beams.

Can you see how the "no-planes" BULSH is just that?

Actually I noticed it myself soon after started researching a year or so ago so not everything parroting. Nobody seemed to have talked about it while I find it to be the most obvious evidence. I heard it on Fetzer recently. The guy is good. He fights like a lion to the last.

No bullets, no pumpkins. You have a frame structure just like the one on the photo above and try making a hole in it with a plane like object. Lock the ratios to reflect reality.

I have to agree with Logically Yours. Your arguement is incomprehensible. The ratio of what to what?
What effect are you speaking of?

Are you trying to say that the perimeter frame of the structure, backed by 4 inch thick concrete floor pans every 3 meters, would absorb and distribute the impact the way, for instance, a kevlar vest does for a bullet?

If so then you are horribly incorrect.

The plane hit the building, it tore through the exterior aluminum panels, it encountered the steel columns and began to be sliced by those columns. That slicing through the aircraft by the columns imparted energy to the columns which in turn bent those columns inward. The columns that bent far enough failed and tore away from the perimeter.

Most columns snapped well before the entirity of the aircraft had passed beyond the perimeter.

Floor pans hit directly by aircraft was bent and/or crushed by the momentum transfer.

Larger, denser consituents of the aircraft, engine cores, landing assembly, control surfaces and hydralic pumps, still carried a lot of momentum themsleves and did further damage to the core columns they encountered. One wheel assembly passed right through the building and had enough momentum to punch out a perimeter column panel. It fell to the street embedded in that panel.

An engine core passed through WTC 1 (iirc) and landed in the street.

There are witnesses to the parts landing in the street. There are pictures of them in the street.

Either you are woefully illiterate in physics and engineering, or you are a troll who knows full well that what he posts is nonsense and simply likes getting people to respond to him.
 
Fake videos countered by fake witnesses highlight fake physics. Why not. It's a non sequitur as far I am concerned but fun still.

I guess you mean columns, which is also non sequitur to the topic at hand. The walls alone could most likely give in. You can remove them if they bother you.

Physics of the situation is most certainly not non-sequitor.

You are obviously convinced that the videos are faked that no one saw planes and reports of people seeing planes are fake, that the physics used by NIST, FEMA, and Pudue University for a few examples , is all faked, fudged and lies.

You have no personal knowledge that allows you to pass this judgement but believe it religiously anyway.

You believe in Fetzer as an expert despite his lack of any engineering education or experience.
 
Fake videos countered by fake witnesses highlight fake physics. Why not. It's a non sequitur as far I am concerned but fun still.

I guess you mean columns, which is also non sequitur to the topic at hand. The walls alone could most likely give in. You can remove them if they bother you.

Let's run with your fake videos claim.

1. How was a plane added to all the videos and photos, in the correct context of each camera location, angle, contrast, exposure, distance and and focus?

2. How were they added so quickly? Keep in mind, many of these appeared on the internet within just a few short hours after.

3. Why haven't the people who made their videos public, complained that their videos and photos have been altered?
 
And the real issue is that he is wrong. Even if he had multiple doctorates he would still be wrong.

Qualifications cannot by magic make false claims come true. :)

True that, and the flip side is that a person with no qualifications can understand correctly and have a correct interpretation.

Its a matter of odds, and odds are that a person with impeccable qualifications is much more likely to be correct than a person with less or none.

Its the appeal to authority qualifier, its ok as long as the authority is demonstrable.
 
Let's run with your fake videos claim.

1. How was a plane added to all the videos and photos, in the correct context of each camera location, angle, contrast, exposure, distance and and focus?

2. How were they added so quickly? Keep in mind, many of these appeared on the internet within just a few short hours after.

3. Why haven't the people who made their videos public, complained that their videos and photos have been altered?

"I was looking through the viewfinder and all I saw was an explosion up high on the building. I played it back a few minutes later and still, that's all that was there. What puzzles me to no end is that when I played it back again on Sept 12 to show others what I had experienced,,,, there it was, a plane coming into the screen and hitting the building! I swear it was not there originally but what am I to believe? That a group of MIB came into my home that night, stole my camera, edited in a plane then returned the camera before I awoke? Yeah, right!"

This would be an excerpt from the expose of the massive operation to dub a plane in private videos of 9/11, except for the fact that such an expose does not exist
:rolleyes:
 
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